The official Hillary Clinton will be our next president thread

[CrocodileStunter]

I'm with ttystikk on this. I'm voting bernie no matter what. I think a whole lot of people are doing that this year specially after what we have seen in nevada with clinton rigging the nevada dnc there and the super delegates basically all going clinton to sway the vote from the get go. besides that I would never vote for clinton she's a warhawk and she and her husband were involves in the iran contra.

 

[ttystikk]

I hate to say it but the M.I.C. will never be made to do business like the rest of corporate America.

Yes they can, if the strings of money and power between them and Washington, DC are cut by laws that enforce separation.

Simply giving up is nothing short of walking out on your responsibilities as a citizen, and leaves the blood of their activities on your hands.

 

[ttystikk]

I understand we shouldnt of done it.

Problem is we did and we should clean up our messes.

That's an excellent title for your resume cover letter to Lockheed Martin.

 

[Kasuti]

Yes they can, if the strings of money and power between them and Washington, DC are cut by laws that enforce separation.

Simply giving up is nothing short of walking out on your responsibilities as a citizen, and leaves the blood of their activities on your hands.

I have never said too much about myself but I will say this. My family has been an important part of our country's defense industry for many generations, especially in the aircraft industry. I have had Frank conversations with very powerful people in my family line and have been told by some of them that the M.I.C. pretty much writes their own checks from black budgets that 99pct of the general population has no idea even exist.

 

[Elwood Diggler]

I keep seeing massive crowds for Mr Sanders, and no such equivalents for Mrs Clinton. The only sources telling us the race is over are those who are owned by interests vested in the outcome. There are indeed many of them.

the facts are he doesn't have the numbers and won't even if the superdelegate rules are changed, he's still short. opinions of vested interests are a fart in the wind, not factual nor measurable. how is he going to change this fact?

the only way bernie gets the nomination at this point is hillary gets indicted. based on the last 30 yrs of republican investigations, that's not going to happen

again, the facts are bernie is way short and hillary is a million times better than trump

 

[ChesusRice]

the facts are he doesn't have the numbers and won't even if the superdelegate rules are changed, he's still short. opinions of vested interests are a fart in the wind, not factual nor measurable. how is he going to change this fact?

the only way bernie gets the nomination at this point is hillary gets indicted. based on the last 30 yrs of republican investigations, that's not going to happen

again, the facts are bernie is way short and hillary is a million times better than trump

Did you read about Trump supporters voting for Sanders?
This is way worse than Ralph Nader
They are voting for him in the primary and voting for Trump in the General

 

[ChesusRice]

Charles Koch: 'Possible' Clinton could be better than GOP nominee - CNN

Charles Koch: 'It's possible' Clinton is preferable to a Republican for president - Politico

Then how come he isn't giving her money?

 

[ChesusRice]

You don't get to blame Sanders supporters for a Trump presidency, you get to blame Hillary Clinton for being such a shitty candidate, she couldn't even get progressives in the supposedly progressive party to vote for her

I can if Sanders supporters write him in when he isn't the nominee

 

[Padawanbater2]

I can if Sanders supporters write him in when he isn't the nominee

Sanders supporters would support Clinton if they felt like she represented them, so it will ultimately be her fault if she doesn't win the election for not appealing to a voter bloc her campaign apparently underestimated

 

[ChesusRice]

Sanders supporters would support Clinton if they felt like she represented them, so it will ultimately be her fault if she doesn't win the election for not appealing to a voter bloc her campaign apparently underestimated

Sanders and Clinton voted the same 90% of the time

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sanders and Clinton voted the same 90% of the time

OK

&

share 99% of the same genes

Big difference in that 1% it would seem, let alone 10%... and to those who are paying attention, those differences are obvious

 

[ttystikk]

I have never said too much about myself but I will say this. My family has been an important part of our country's defense industry for many generations, especially in the aircraft industry. I have had Frank conversations with very powerful people in my family line and have been told by some of them that the M.I.C. pretty much writes their own checks from black budgets that 99pct of the general population has no idea even exist.

My family has several generations in the State Department, selling those same weapons to our allies.

Nothing is impossible if we decide it must be done.

Just because I'm not a drone pilot doesn't mean that I don't share the responsibility for what they do- unless I fight against it as a citizen.

 

[Fogdog]

We left it defenseless. It is our moral duty to the citizens of iraq to help protect thier new government.

Or would you rather we have a repeat of history to learn once again how wrong it is to wreck an infastructure and not stay to help fix it.

Iraq is not defenseless. It has plenty of arms and US air power is available. The problem isn't one of a lack of means but the lack of coalition building within the country. Right now, each clan and sect are looking out for themselves and screwing over others when they can. Its as big of a mess as Afghanistan. While the situation is bad, another occupation by the US would not make things better and probably makes things worse. An occupation by the US would not enable the people in the area to stabilize the situation themselves, which in the long run is the only solution.

What we are currently doing -- and makes sense to me -- is to contain ISIS, cut off resources to them from outside the area and let attrition wear them down. Also we have enough resources in the area to be a threat to Iran so that they don't intervene militarily. Otherwise we continue to leave it up to the people living in Iraq to sort out the government and power structures that they want. With the exception of air strikes against ISIS and some special forces in the area (doing I don't know what), our military presence is not significant and I hope we keep it that way. What are you suggesting we do?

 

[ttystikk]

Iraq is not defenseless. It has plenty of arms and US air power is available. The problem isn't one of a lack of means but the lack of coalition building within the country. Right now, each clan and sect are looking out for themselves and screwing over others when they can. Its as big of a mess as Afghanistan. While the situation is bad, another occupation by the US would not make things better and probably makes things worse. An occupation by the US would not enable the people in the area to stabilize the situation themselves, which in the long run is the only solution.

What we are currently doing -- and makes sense to me -- is to contain ISIS, cut off resources to them from outside the area and let attrition wear them down. Also we have enough resources in the area to be a threat to Iran so that they don't intervene militarily. Otherwise we continue to leave it up to the people living in Iraq to sort out the government and power structures that they want. With the exception of air strikes against ISIS and some special forces in the area (doing I don't know what), our military presence is not significant and I hope we keep it that way. What are you suggesting we do?

Well stated.

Now, if we can just resist the temptation to go 'saving' them again.

 

[Fogdog]

Sanders supporters would support Clinton if they felt like she represented them, so it will ultimately be her fault if she doesn't win the election for not appealing to a voter bloc her campaign apparently underestimated

What you suggest would be the best of all outcomes given a Clinton candidacy.

For myself, I feel that Clinton hasn't won my vote yet. Right now, I see her as backing away from socialized healthcare, anti-union, aligned with big business and big banks and otherwise promising the status-quo militarily, socially and economically. In other words, she is a moderate Republican. Threatening me with Trump and telling me that a moderate-right wing republican is my only alternative would lose my vote.

 

[ChesusRice]

What you suggest would be the best of all outcomes given a Clinton candidacy.

For myself, I feel that Clinton hasn't won my vote yet. Right now, I see her as backing away from socialized healthcare, anti-union, aligned with big business and big banks and otherwise promising the status-quo militarily, socially and economically. In other words, she is a moderate Republican. Threatening me with Trump and telling me that a moderate-right wing republican is my only alternative would lose my vote.

Coming out for Universal healthcare right now would be political suicide. Clinton is shrewed enough to know in order to get your agenda out you have to be in power.

Clinton is for universal healthcare

 

[Fogdog]

Well stated.

Now, if we can just resist the temptation to go 'saving' them again.

Yes. This idea that we must save them is a bit patronizing and tinged with an older era's racist philosophy of "the white man's burden". Maybe Pie has something else in mind but "saving them" thus far has killed over a million people.

 

[Fogdog]

Coming out for Universal healthcare right now would be political suicide. Clinton is shrewed enough to know in order to get your agenda out you have to be in power.

Clinton is for universal healthcare

Can you explain the difference between Universal healthcare and universal healthcare? Right now, about 9 million people's access to healthcare is at risk due to the action of Congress and another 33 million people are without healthcare coverage. I see Clinton's statements thus far as leaving all those people out in the cold.

Edit: and let's not forget that the US has a terribly high cost of healthcare compared to other developed nations. The status-quo sucks.

 

[ttystikk]

Yes. This idea that we must save them is a bit patronizing and tinged with an older era's racist philosophy of "the white man's burden". Maybe Pie has something else in mind but "saving them" thus far has killed over a million people.

That's the cover story, but the truth is that it's just an excuse for selling a few hundred billion (more) dollars worth of toys for killing people.

But hey! It's cool, they're just foreigners, so who gives a shit as long as we're raking it in?!

 

[ky man]

Did you read about Trump supporters voting for Sanders?
This is way worse than Ralph Nader
They are voting for him in the primary and voting for Trump in the General

that's just what I did today and lots of othere people as well.ky