The "OFFICIAL" cast your VOTE on PROP 19 thread

PROP 19 - tax and regulate cannabis in California

  • YES

    Votes: 152 66.1%
  • NO

    Votes: 78 33.9%

  • Total voters
    230

Hayduke

Well-Known Member
Cool Negative rep! Thanks Kat! Not sure how you pulled that one...but I can't give you rep cuz I need to spread it around???...and if I have ever given you rep it was a couple of years ago! Thanks for the spanking!! I hope it helps you! I guess it evens out the positive rep I got from this thread!!

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Katatawnic

Well-Known Member
I am not able to give negative rep. Do you see any "elite" status under my name? No? Thought so. :roll: Go throw your accusations and assumptions somewhere else. :finger:
 

Hayduke

Well-Known Member
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Katatawnic again.???

I don't see elite on anybody anymore

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Katatawnic

Well-Known Member
Only elites and mods can give negative rep. I haven't been elite in a year, since RIU stopped taking donations. Sorry, don't know what to tell you. I say what's on my mind; I don't feel the need to give anonymous feedback, positive or negative. I don't agree with much you've had to say on this topic, but that doesn't make me "hate" you or want to be petty. I'm not that kind of person.

Yeah, you repped me quite a long time ago. If you still can't, then I guess you just haven't "spread it around" in a while. I've encountered the same thing before. I still haven't figured out how all the rep stuff works around here; much of it, but not all of it.

P.S. My "I gots mine" remark was directed at anyone who's got 215 status and doesn't want to "share the wealth" (so to speak) with the rest of the population. It wasn't meant to be directed at you solely. Nor was it an attack on character, only attitude. I don't like that kind of attitude no matter who takes it, and if it's not your stance then it doesn't apply to you.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
i still never saw hayduke show us exactly how prop 19 strips 215 patients of their rights.
He made the claim that prop 19 reduces the medical patients possession rights. Never mind that prop 19 specifically says otherwise. As long as he feels like that is what is going to happen I guess silly facts don't really matter.
 

Hayduke

Well-Known Member
From Richard Lee's Q&A from his taxcannabis.org


"Proposition 19 specifically grants cities and counties the ability to regulate sales for medical cannabis"

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Hayduke

Well-Known Member
16*1.5 = 24 right? Yeah...

You're a medical vendor and you can't afford 1 light? Don't quit your day job.
I am a patient not a vendor...damn right I'm not quitting my day job...16/25=0.64...16 is 64 % of 25...or 36% less than 25...not 50% that would be 12.5sqft...100*1.5=150...but 100 is not 50% less than 150 right? Yeah...

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Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
From Richard Lee's Q&A from his taxcannabis.org


"Proposition 19 specifically grants cities and counties the ability to regulate sales for medical cannabis"

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link please? I did a cite search and that phrase didn't come up.

You claimed that prop 19 limits medical cannabis possession. Show me where it says this. If prop 19 does do what you claim and limits medical possession then how come it specifically makes this law:

Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9.
Health and Safety section 11362.5 = prop 215. This makes it illegal for cities to interfere with prop 215 laws.

Saying that prop 215 limits medical users is just a cheap scare tactic. I don't get the sense from you that you would intentionally want to mislead or lie to anyone about this. (If I did, I'd let you know) But the source where you got the information saying that prop 19 limits a medical patients rights is lying to you. They are trying to scare you into voting against prop 19 for their own reasons.

You have to ask yourself the question. If prop 19 is so bad then why are people lying to oppose it?
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
I am a patient not a vendor...damn right I'm not quitting my day job...16/25=0.64...16 is 64 % of 25...or 36% less than 25...not 50% that would be 12.5sqft...100*1.5=150...but 100 is not 50% less than 150 right? Yeah...

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math WIN.

what you have failed to produce is where in the text of prop 19 it 'specifically grants cities and counties the ability to regulate sales for medical cannabis'.

all you said was 'jack herer says so'.

show me the text. here is the link to the bill. find it for me....i have looked and can not find it. at all.

http://yeson19.com/node/6
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
I am a patient not a vendor...damn right I'm not quitting my day job...16/25=0.64...16 is 64 % of 25...or 36% less than 25...not 50% that would be 12.5sqft...100*1.5=150...but 100 is not 50% less than 150 right? Yeah...

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What I meant was that in a 25 sq foot space you get 50% more space than you do in a 16sq ft trey. You knew what I meant.
 

Katatawnic

Well-Known Member
Both of you guys are right in how each of you is looking at the math...

16 is 36% of 25.
16 is approximately 50% less than 25.

Just like there's a difference between a store sale saying something is 50% off, or 50% less. You're each just viewing it differently.
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
16 sq ft is 64% of 25 sq ft. (16/25 = .64)

16 sq ft is 36% less than 25 sq ft. (9 sq ft less, so 9/25 = .36)

they are the same.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
16 sq ft is 64% of 25 sq ft. (16/25 = .64)

16 sq ft is 36% less than 25 sq ft. (9 sq ft less, so 9/25 = .36)

they are the same.
Pretty easy to see what I originally meant. Add 50% surface area to a 4x4 trey and you get a 5x5 trey. So it's safe to say that if you can get a pound out of a 4x4 trey you can get a pound and a half out of a 5x5 trey. The math stays the same. This is just a silly argument about how I phrased it.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
Both of you guys are right in how each of you is looking at the math...

16 is 36% of 25.
16 is approximately 50% less than 25.

Just like there's a difference between a store sale saying something is 50% off, or 50% less. You're each just viewing it differently.
yep. this is correct.
 

LuvdaVapor

Member
I think we could all grow what we need in 25 sq ft as long as we arent selling.. which you would have to get a license for even if you were making whiskey or beer/wine.

Here are a few tidbits from the BATF website:

Distillation of Alcohol and Stills

Under Federal rules administered by ATF, the legality depends on how you use a still. You may not produce alcohol unless you qualify as a distilled spirits plant (see ATF FAQ's page at their web site.) However, owning a small still and using it for other purposes is allowed. You should also check with your State and local authorities - their rules may differ.

And about beer

Sec. 25.205
Production of Beer

(a) Any adult may produce beer, without payment of tax, for personal or family use and not for sale. An adult is any individual who is 18 years of age or older. If the locality in which the household is located requires a greater minimum age for the sale of beer to individuals, the adult shall be that age before commencing the production of beer. This exemption does not authorize the production of beer for use contrary to State or local law.
(b) The production of beer per household, without payment of tax, for personal or family use may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year if there are two or more adults residing in the household, or (2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult residing in the household.
(c) Partnerships except as provided in Sec. 25.207, corporations or associations may not produce beer, without payment of tax, for personal or family use.
(Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1334, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5053))

This was last updated on September 17, 1999

Sec. 25.206
Removal of beer

Beer made under Sec. 25.205 may be removed from the premises where made for personal or family use including use at organized affairs, exhibitions or competitions such as homemaker's contests, tastings or judging. Beer removed under this section may not be sold or offered for sale.
(Sec. 201, Pub. L. 85-859, 72 Stat. 1334, as amended (26 U.S.C. 5053))


So you see with any formerly controlled substance, just winning the initial legality battle is the most important thing you can do. Do you want to smoke weed without having to pay a doc $100 per year and do it legally if you dont have a valid medical reason??? then please for the love of all things holy VOTE YES ON 19!

I know it's easy to get locked into one way of thinking, but the truth is right there slapping you in the face and it's that we need to push this. Will there ever be a better time, right now even my 90 year old grandma who has never broken 1 single law in her life thinks we should legalize it... :blsmoke:
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Pretty easy to see what I originally meant. Add 50% surface area to a 4x4 trey and you get a 5x5 trey. So it's safe to say that if you can get a pound out of a 4x4 trey you can get a pound and a half out of a 5x5 trey. The math stays the same. This is just a silly argument about how I phrased it.
less than and greater than work different, percentage wise.

16 sq ft is 36% less than 25 sq ft (9/25 = .36)

25 sq ft is 56% greater than 16 sq ft (9/16 = .5625)

as a math major, i won't stand for erroneous math!

but all this is off the point....
 
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