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v.s one

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greenghost420 said:
not making crosses. your pheno hunting! you open pollinate the whole pack[besides any that herm] so you can get as many traits/genetics into the f2s. f2s will express the most phenos from the original parents used. its not my logic, its how shit works. dont ask me why! read any book about breeding, they all say this....
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After posting I went to my bio class and the chapter is about Mendel. Your right he made f1s with peas. The female plant was smooth peas and the dad was wrinkled peas. When he looked at his offspring from the f1 generation they were all smooth peas but when he f2 the line the wrinkled dads genetics showed back up. But he did notice it was at a 3:1 ratio. what I want to know is does the cycle keep cycling or do you start getting different variations? Because I noticed some breeders are at an f9. Good work ghost.
 
kgp

kgp

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v.s one said:
After posting I went to my bio class and the chapter is about Mendel. Your right he made f1s with peas. The female plant was smooth peas and the dad was wrinkled peas. When he looked at his offspring from the f1 generation they were all smooth peas but when he f2 the line the wrinkled dads genetics showed back up. But he did notice it was at a 3:1 ratio. what I want to know is does the cycle keep cycling or do you start getting different variations? Because I noticed some breeders are at an f9. Good work ghost.
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It's similar with other things in nature. Dogs for example.

I seen a experiment where they bred a wolf with a poodle. All of the pups f1 generation came out looking like a mix of wolf/poodle.

Then they bred two siblings whic would make an f2 and some came out looking wolf, and some came out looking more poodle.

After several other breedings you can breed the wolf dominant to the other wolf dominant and through selective breeding you can take the poodle genes out of the dog, and vice versa. Every one is a awhile you will see poodle traits but that is what you want to avoid when selecting.

An important key is to make sure the genetics are stable, breeding polyhybrids with eachother could take many years of selection and inbreeding to make the plant homogenous. Because the genes aren't pure and dominant you have to breed out a lot of traits.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Yodaweed said:
I personally wouldn't waste my time breeding non-keepers but that's just me.
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You do an open pollination first to store every gene because you don't know what you are throwing away. Just looking at a plant does not allow you to see its genomic sequence. For example you may be throwing away a plant that would add incredible resistance to mold or budrot or vice versa and this list could go on and on with examples. When doing F2's it is always best to do an open pollination as well as a controlled.
 
v.s one

v.s one

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kgp said:
It's similar with other things in nature. Dogs for example.

I seen a experiment where they bred a wolf with a poodle. All of the pups f1 generation came out looking like a mix of wolf/poodle.

Then they bred two siblings whic would make an f2 and some came out looking wolf, and some came out looking more poodle.

After several other breedings you can breed the wolf dominant to the other wolf dominant and through selective breeding you can take the poodle genes out of the dog, and vice versa. Every one is a awhile you will see poodle traits but that is what you want to avoid when selecting.

An important key is to make sure the genetics are stable, breeding polyhybrids with eachother could take many years of selection and inbreeding to make the plant homogenous. Because the genes aren't pure and dominant you have to breed out a lot of traits.
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Man that's crazy a wolf with a poodle. That some good info right there. I had A buddy who had an inbred pit-bull and fucker was mean as fuck bit my hand and everything. A wolf inbred yeesh.
 
greenghost420

greenghost420

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v.s one said:
After posting I went to my bio class and the chapter is about Mendel. Your right he made f1s with peas. The female plant was smooth peas and the dad was wrinkled peas. When he looked at his offspring from the f1 generation they were all smooth peas but when he f2 the line the wrinkled dads genetics showed back up. But he did notice it was at a 3:1 ratio. what I want to know is does the cycle keep cycling or do you start getting different variations? Because I noticed some breeders are at an f9. Good work ghost.
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after you find what u want in the f2s, male and fems, the f3s should be a combo of those you selected and you can start locking in traits. as you go from f3 f4 f5 etc you should see those traits come out more n more. im still very new and am learning. reading:the more you know!
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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F2's usually have the most variation in phenotypes so you guys might be right but I still think you should only breed keepers, to help pass on those good genetics and not pass on crappy ones.
 
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40AmpstoFreedom

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Yodaweed said:
F2's usually have the most variation in phenotypes so you guys might be right but I still think you should only breed keepers, to help pass on those good genetics and not pass on crappy ones.
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Yes for your lines for release this is best and the only way to make progress really as far as locking in desired traits. However, those open pollination beans become quite the treasure trove should choose a bad male or have to completely restart...which happens a lot.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Anyone found any real long flowering phenotypes in Bright Moments? I know it's a bit longer to finish than the standard 8 weekers but I have one that looks like it might push closer to 12. Not as golf ball structure either more class haze.. still has a lot to fill out it could be longer than 12.
 
OGEvilgenius

OGEvilgenius

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Yodaweed said:
I personally wouldn't waste my time breeding non-keepers but that's just me.
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Chances are high, if the parents were reasonably good, that you will find keepers in the F2's.

Sometimes in poly crosses you don't get the result you're looking for on the first go but you don't want to spend more money on seeds and you do know it's in there.

It makes a lot of sense (and saves a lot of dollars) to do this.
 
Yodaweed

Yodaweed

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OGEvilgenius said:
Chances are high, if the parents were reasonably good, that you will find keepers in the F2's.

Sometimes in poly crosses you don't get the result you're looking for on the first go but you don't want to spend more money on seeds and you do know it's in there.

It makes a lot of sense (and saves a lot of dollars) to do this.
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What you are saying is that the seeds this "breeder" makes are not bred to the point where they should be, if they were you wouldn't be using loser plants to attempt to propagate the lines and pray for a miracle. The seeds you pay 130$+ for should be at least worked to the point where there is some stability not just wild phenotype variation and packs full of loser genetics. Whatever tho you guys keep argueing your point I am moving on I already know this convo is like talking to a brick wall. You are just too blinded by your fandom to see the reality of how many people think these "breeders" are crap. Good luck I wish you guys nothing but the best of luck really.
 
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