The Nature Farm Genetics, is he legit?

5dekades said:

Thanks for the info!! I do have a rare one would hate to let it go.... but.....
And I have had a few duds from seeds that seem like it might have had it.....
I have had a theory in my head that all the indoor (especially led) has changed the genetics of the seeds...maybe it led the path for this viroid to get going....I have been harassed about wanting seeds from outdoor grown plants but the strains in the 90's just seemed way better than todays and i sourced from outdoor only back then
I did not hear the part in the vid that soaking seeds in bleach water helped? is this true?
thanks again for the info

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The bleach soak will help with seeds only if the outside is contaminated but inside is clean. Worth a try, I made seed from an infected plant, viroid well suppressed, and got clean plants after a 2 min soak. Still, I wouldn't sell or distribute seed from an infected plant. Use the soak as a precautionary measure- it will also kill off any fusarium, pythium, or bacteria that could lurk on the seed's outer hull.


If your clone is definitely rare/irreplaceable, then I'd get a consultation with Bill's company. You may be able to outrun it by planting one in 30-50+gallons of healthy soil, full season outdoor, then taking as small of cuts as you can from the top only.

Plants can definitely adapt to indoor or outdoors, but I don't see that causing susceptibility to viroid. My old NL clone is one of the most resistant to it, but loves a metal halide like nothing else. Was probably born and raised under them, 80's/90's. It takes only a generation or two for something to adapt for indoor/out. Some we have like both.

Smokincooks said:

The bleach soak will help with seeds only if the outside is contaminated but inside is clean. Worth a try, I made seed from an infected plant, viroid well suppressed, and got clean plants after a 2 min soak. Still, I wouldn't sell or distribute seed from an infected plant. Use the soak as a precautionary measure- it will also kill off any fusarium, pythium, or bacteria that could lurk on the seed's outer hull.


If your clone is definitely rare/irreplaceable, then I'd get a consultation with Bill's company. You may be able to outrun it by planting one in 30-50+gallons of healthy soil, full season outdoor, then taking as small of cuts as you can from the top only.

Plants can definitely adapt to indoor or outdoors, but I don't see that causing susceptibility to viroid. My old NL clone is one of the most resistant to it, but loves a metal halide like nothing else. Was probably born and raised under them, 80's/90's. It takes only a generation or two for something to adapt for indoor/out. Some we have like both.

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in the 90's i used metal halide and HPS and they worked great! way better than the LED. But the genetics were WAY better

Smokincooks said:

The bleach soak will help with seeds only if the outside is contaminated but inside is clean. Worth a try, I made seed from an infected plant, viroid well suppressed, and got clean plants after a 2 min soak. Still, I wouldn't sell or distribute seed from an infected plant. Use the soak as a precautionary measure- it will also kill off any fusarium, pythium, or bacteria that could lurk on the seed's outer hull.


If your clone is definitely rare/irreplaceable, then I'd get a consultation with Bill's company. You may be able to outrun it by planting one in 30-50+gallons of healthy soil, full season outdoor, then taking as small of cuts as you can from the top only.

Plants can definitely adapt to indoor or outdoors, but I don't see that causing susceptibility to viroid. My old NL clone is one of the most resistant to it, but loves a metal halide like nothing else. Was probably born and raised under them, 80's/90's. It takes only a generation or two for something to adapt for indoor/out. Some we have like both.

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Thank you sir... you have opened my eyes to a 2 min bleach soak. If not harmful seems like a inexpensive precautionary measure.
Ebola virus outbreaks , people use bleach solution to wash hands and such. So no doubt any baddies hiding on the outer shell is going to have a bad day. Anyone have any bad experiences? Rinse the hell out of them after the soak or not that critical?

GreenHopper said:

Thank you sir... you have opened my eyes to a 2 min bleach soak. If not harmful seems like a inexpensive precautionary measure.
Ebola virus outbreaks , people use bleach solution to wash hands and such. So no doubt any baddies hiding on the outer shell is going to have a bad day. Anyone have any bad experiences? Rinse the hell out of them after the soak or not that critical?

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True, I have to test it to make sure it doesn't harm them. 1 min with some surfactant could probably help ensure full contact, but most things react badly with bleach. Maybe adding a drop of castile soap, done outside. I will try it out on a few and report back: 2 mins 10% bleach, followed by a tap water rinse and then usual soak with few drops of bleach in water.

(Bill has kits for sprouting seeds too- I believe the process rinses in dichlor, like the cuttings, then uses other compounds to help soften the seed shell. Useful for old and tired stock.
For the ancient/inbred seed, where shells won't open, but embryo is good- they offer a service to manually open them and move into tissue culture. I definitely have some candidates for that tech).

Once the initial soak is complete, it's a good idea to rinse the strong bleach off. You then could use water with a lesser amount of bleach or calcium hypochlorite for the usual germination soak- if you know for certain the seed is not from a viroid/virus infected plant, far less chlorine is good enough to kill almost anything else. Fusarium may need closer to that 10% to guarantee total destruction.

I sprouted some seed earlier this year, not using the 10% initial rinse, only a few drops in the germination water. Some were from an infected clone, but none showed viroid symptoms. If the plant is not showing symptoms heavily, the viroid will appear less frequently inside of the seeds. If it's not inside the seed, and you don't have leaf bits in the soak water, there just isn't that much viral material left around. Even then, it may need a wound to easily infect.

Found a link with some of the same concerns, some good info for anyone who wants to advance the tech further. I guess I should order some Tween 20.

I will do a couple basic trials: going into an immediate germination soak after 2 mins 10% bleach rinse, and another batch that I will dry and store after the 10% rinse, then try to germinate after a few weeks.

Anyone have any issues with super long time from order to shipping?

Moka_Pot said:

Anyone have any issues with super long time from order to shipping?

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What do you consider 'super Long'?

I just dropped 8 chocolate Thai seeds from TNF. We will see if I can find a keeper.

Got some Durban Poison(Mendo Cut) x Norcal Purple Haze OP going. Had one female out of 4 but all the plants look the same. Have the female about 2 weeks in flower still stretching. Collecting pollen from 2 males though not sure If I'll make f2's just yet.

Picked up a pack of Santa Cruz Blue Dream x 95 Silver Haze. I've never ran Blue Dream anything before so wanted something a bit more longer flowering than the generic BD that gets around now a days.

higher self said:

Got some Durban Poison(Mendo Cut) x Norcal Purple Haze OP going. Had one female out of 4 but all the plants look the same. Have the female about 2 weeks in flower still stretching. Collecting pollen from 2 males though not sure If I'll make f2's just yet.

Picked up a pack of Santa Cruz Blue Dream x 95 Silver Haze. I've never ran Blue Dream anything before so wanted something a bit more longer flowering than the generic BD that gets around now a days.

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This made me go to the site bc I was making sure it’s silver haze and not SSH I went and ordered a 12 pack .. I have been looking for silver haze forever sensi version is something not even related to the original ..

Now after reading thru a little idk what to think I went to his IG and the pics he reposted of some other people that grew his stuff was decent and to lie about having a strain like silver haze of all the things to lie about doesn’t seem like u just make up so I assume there f5 seeds like he says .. my gripe is he only used one male and female from the 8 seeds that germed he should have used all

silverhazefiend said:

This made me go to the site bc I was making sure it’s silver haze and not SSH I went and ordered a 12 pack .. I have been looking for silver haze forever sensi version is something not even related to the original ..

Now after reading thru a little idk what to think I went to his IG and the pics he reposted of some other people that grew his stuff was decent and to lie about having a strain like silver haze of all the things to lie about doesn’t seem like u just make up so I assume there f5 seeds like he says .. my gripe is he only used one male and female from the 8 seeds that germed he should have used all

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Says this is the seeded female

http://instagr.am/p/Cx8MN1cry_g/

I didnt have much interest in the f5's honestly but I can see your gripe about only using one male & female to make them. Now it just depends on his selection when he could have kept the line a bit more open with the small amount of seeds he got to pop.

I know this thread has a bit of drama but I've haven't spent more than $50 on a pack due to the sales & probably could have waited for a 50% off like the Durban packs I picked up. If they have sativas that interests me I will try them out. The Skunk stuff not so much but who knows maybe I'll try some of the freebies I got one day.

higher self said:

Says this is the seeded female

http://instagr.am/p/Cx8MN1cry_g/

I didnt have much interest in the f5's honestly but I can see your gripe about only using one male & female to make them. Now it just depends on his selection when he could have kept the line a bit more open with the small amount of seeds he got to pop.

I know this thread has a bit of drama but I've haven't spent more than $50 on a pack due to the sales & probably could have waited for a 50% off like the Durban packs I picked up. If they have sativas that interests me I will try them out. The Skunk stuff not so much but who knows maybe I'll try some of the freebies I got one day.

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These 2 veteran breeders have some interesting and in some cases quick finishing sativas doms!

mandocat said:

These 2 veteran breeders have some interesting and in some cases quick finishing sativas doms!

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Strains - Kingdom Organic Seeds

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Havent pulled trigger on Oregon Green Seed yet, tho I find it odd that they always have old Greenpoint seeds in stock. I have several packs of KOS, ran the Chunky Cherry Thai last. Will run the Vietnam Black crosses in the summer.

higher self said:

Havent pulled trigger on Oregon Green Seed yet, tho I find it odd that they always have old Greenpoint seeds in stock. I have several packs of KOS, ran the Chunky Cherry Thai last. Will run the Vietnam Black crosses in the summer.

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Oregon Green Seeds used to carry BOG as well. I get the feeling that they are slowing down, as they haven't added anything in almost a year. How was the Chunky Cherry Thai?

mandocat said:

Oregon Green Seeds used to carry BOG as well. I get the feeling that they are slowing down, as they haven't added anything in almost a year. How was the Chunky Cherry Thai?

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I have my eye on their Island Sweet Skunk cross. The Chunky Cherry Thai's were great smoke just a little to Chunky for me lol & had mold issues

higher self said:

Says this is the seeded female

http://instagr.am/p/Cx8MN1cry_g/

I didnt have much interest in the f5's honestly but I can see your gripe about only using one male & female to make them. Now it just depends on his selection when he could have kept the line a bit more open with the small amount of seeds he got to pop.

I know this thread has a bit of drama but I've haven't spent more than $50 on a pack due to the sales & probably could have waited for a 50% off like the Durban packs I picked up. If they have sativas that interests me I will try them out. The Skunk stuff not so much but who knows maybe I'll try some of the freebies I got one day.

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Did you buy these and how did they turn out?

Honestly, this plant looks nothing like the Silver Haze that I grew back in 94.
This looks like a Silver Haze x Nl or Silver Haze x Skunk, or something without the Silver Haze.


The Nature Farm told me it had been selected towards the Indica over the years, yet the finish times remain about the same as the original.
This leads me to believe that this is a re-creation.
This is no haze, imho.
I bet the scents are completely off.

This is Silver Haze and this is how mine looked.


I don't believe they resemble each other one bit.

The Nature Farm Genetics, is he Vago?

Paul-n-Chukka said:

The Nature Farm Genetics, is he Vago?

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Bakersfield said:

Did you buy these and how did they turn out?

Honestly, this plant looks nothing like the Silver Haze that I grew back in 94.
This looks like a Silver Haze x Nl or Silver Haze x Skunk, or something without the Silver Haze.
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The Nature Farm told me it had been selected towards the Indica over the years, yet the finish times remain about the same as the original.
This leads me to believe that this is a re-creation.
This is no haze, imho.
I bet the scents are completely off.

This is Silver Haze and this is how mine looked.
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I don't believe they resemble each other one bit.

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Yeah I’m really skeptical to run that corpse flower of his, don’t want to waste time and space in the summer for a bunch of fruit phenos. Anyone know how legit that UFS18 is? I have definite doubts of the ‘92 super skunk in the corpse flower hut remain hopeful for the UFS side of things

Bakersfield said:

Did you buy these and how did they turn out?

Honestly, this plant looks nothing like the Silver Haze that I grew back in 94.
This looks like a Silver Haze x Nl or Silver Haze x Skunk, or something without the Silver Haze.
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The Nature Farm told me it had been selected towards the Indica over the years, yet the finish times remain about the same as the original.
This leads me to believe that this is a re-creation.
This is no haze, imho.
I bet the scents are completely off.

This is Silver Haze and this is how mine looked.
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I don't believe they resemble each other one bit.

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I followed a little bit, and it sounds like he was selecting away from the longer phenos, but I agree, looks nothing like silver haze. The athens cut, which is readily available, looks like silver haze I remember

RawDogRick said:

Yeah I’m really skeptical to run that corpse flower of his, don’t want to waste time and space in the summer for a bunch of fruit phenos. Anyone know how legit that UFS18 is? I have definite doubts of the ‘92 super skunk in the corpse flower hut remain hopeful for the UFS side of things

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I’ve seen at least one breeder, cant remember who, that was using UFS18 in crosses. I’m with you, still hopeful on that one. I got a pack of those from his first release. The freebie i got was black domina hp x ufs18.

In hindsight, wish i would’ve grabbed the silver haze f2/op. beyond that f2/op i feel the same way about TNF as i do AG, that is to say, im not terribly interested in their further selections.