The Long March to 11/24

DIY-HP-LED

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As far as I can see this is the source of the Newsweek story on the 14th, there is a link to the SCOTUS there. I would have thought this would cause more of a stir in the journalistic world, it is a very big story, if true. I'm having doubts because nobody else is picking up the story and it was published by Newsweek at 8:30 AM.

I can't find anything on this other than a single source, yet and I think it is a very important story, so what gives, they should be on this like stink on shit.

Here is the tweet from the plaintiff.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here is a better article on the current state of the disqualification fight. Castro filed the papers for the SCOTUS to take up the case directly, if they do, then it's a sign Trump would be disqualified, and that they want it to happen ASAP IMO. Perhaps they might like to see some argument from the lower courts first though, but they don't have much time, and this is a key constitutional matter that must be resolved before the general election and even primaries. If they want it out of the way by the primaries, then they will need to act fast and might not wait for the lower courts. They could step right in like they did to resolve the 2000 election for Bush.

 
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Fogdog

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Here is a better article on the current state of the disqualification fight. Castro filed the papers for the SCOTUS to take up the case directly, if they do, then it's a sign Trump would be disqualified, and that they want it to happen ASAP IMO. Perhaps they might like to see some argument from the lower courts first though, but they don't have much time, and this is a key constitutional matter that must be resolved before the general election and even primaries. If they want it out of the way by the primaries, then they will need to act fast and might not wait for the lower courts. They could step right in like they did to resolve the 2000 election for Bush.

This is good news. We'll see what they rule in October.
As far as I can see this is the source of the Newsweek story on the 14th, there is a link to the SCOTUS there. I would have thought this would cause more of a stir in the journalistic world, it is a very big story, if true. I'm having doubts because nobody else is picking up the story and it was published by Newsweek at 8:30 AM.

I can't find anything on this other than a single source, yet and I think it is a very important story, so what gives, they should be on this like stink on shit.

Here is the tweet from the plaintiff.

I'm still a bit confused about what the court will hear and what they will rule upon on Oct 9. Surely Trump is not going to be tried for sedition before the Supreme Court. So what is this hearing for?

The Supreme court document you linked to was a filing for writ of certiorari, which is a request for a hearing, which the SCOTUS granted yesterday.

In any case, this all shows the courts are serious about this issue and we'll see relatively quick action, if by quick it means within a few months.
 

BudmanTX

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As far as I can see this is the source of the Newsweek story on the 14th, there is a link to the SCOTUS there. I would have thought this would cause more of a stir in the journalistic world, it is a very big story, if true. I'm having doubts because nobody else is picking up the story and it was published by Newsweek at 8:30 AM.

I can't find anything on this other than a single source, yet and I think it is a very important story, so what gives, they should be on this like stink on shit.

Here is the tweet from the plaintiff.

SCOTUS huh....boy this is gonna be interesting to hear what they say....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This is good news. We'll see what they rule in October.

I'm still a bit confused about what the court will hear and what they will rule upon on Oct 9. Surely Trump is not going to be tried for sedition before the Supreme Court. So what is this hearing for?

The Supreme court document you linked to was a filing for writ of certiorari, which is a request for a hearing, which the SCOTUS granted yesterday.

In any case, this all shows the courts are serious about this issue and we'll see relatively quick action, if by quick it means within a few months.
In checking out the story I went to the Tweet source and became immediately suspicious when the news media never picked it up.

Conservative experts, seem to think the SCOTUS will pick up this key constitutional issue before the primaries, when exactly doesn't matter that much, but it must be before the primaries begin. The fact that the state governments print the primary ballots and run the elections means the 14th applies to the primaries IMO. States send primary ballots to US troops abroad and must meet certain deadlines for who can appear on the ballots and many ballots are for more offices than just president. It all adds up to early intervention by the SCOTUS one way or another, but they might want to hear some arguments from the lower courts first, if there is time. They intervened in the 2000 election in favor of Bush, to avoid a constitutional crisis with looming deadlines and I believe they will do the same thing here. Whether it is on Mr. Castro's case remains to be seen.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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From the German movie Downfall, people started taking clips and captioning them with modern memes and posting them online. Then the people who made the movie realized how much publicity it was generating and made an app online where anybody can make their own Hitler Rant video clip. This is the first movie I've seen though, links to make your own for fun are in the YouTube description.


The Hitler Administration: Episode I
 

printer

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Raffensperger pushes back on argument officials should remove Trump from state ballots

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) is pushing back on the argument that election officials should remove former President Trump from the ballots in their states for violating the 14th Amendment.
“Invoking the 14th Amendment is merely the newest way of attempting to short-circuit the ballot box,” Raffensperger wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Wednesday. “Since 2018, Georgia has seen losing candidates and their lawyers try to sue their way to victory. It doesn’t work. Stacey Abrams’s claims of election mismanagement following the 2018 election were rejected in court, as were Mr. Trump’s after the 2020 election.”

He argued that it “would only reinforce the grievances of those who see the system as rigged and corrupt” if secretaries of state take Trump off the ballot. He said the decision of whether Trump will be the GOP nominee or the next president should be left up to the voters, saying anything else that denies voters the choice would “erode the belief in our uniquely American representative democracy.”

“The 2024 election won’t be decided by prosecutors,” he wrote. “It won’t be decided by John Eastman. And it won’t be decided by the vice president, whose role is simply to oversee a joint session of Congress in which each state’s electors are counted.”

A handful of legal scholars, Democrats and GOP presidential hopefuls have floated the argument that Trump may be disqualified from serving as president due to actions he allegedly took to remain in power after leaving the White House. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that anyone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” should be disqualified from holding office.

A Washington D.C.-based watchdog group has filed a lawsuit Wednesday aiming to block Trump from the 2024 ballot in Colorado, arguing he is disqualified under the 14th Amendment for his alleged actions. Other activists are pushing to disqualify Trump from the ballot in key states under the same amendment.

Raffensperger echoed similar arguments that the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board published Monday, which said disqualifying Trump from the ballot could violate the due process protections in the Constitution and “deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

Trump has maintained that there is no basis for disqualifying him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, claiming Monday that it is a ruse by Democrats “to again steal an Election.”

Raffensperger was at the center of the controversial phone call Trump made in 2020 where he asked Georgia’s top election official to “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” Raffensperger ultimately refused to go along with the efforts to “find” votes to overturn the election.

That phone call is also at the center of the Fulton County investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, where District Attorney Fani Willis (D) charged Trump and 18 others related to alleged efforts to interfere with the election.

“deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

So the articles of The Constitution can be ignored, especially one that safeguards the Constitution?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Raffensperger pushes back on argument officials should remove Trump from state ballots

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) is pushing back on the argument that election officials should remove former President Trump from the ballots in their states for violating the 14th Amendment.
“Invoking the 14th Amendment is merely the newest way of attempting to short-circuit the ballot box,” Raffensperger wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Wednesday. “Since 2018, Georgia has seen losing candidates and their lawyers try to sue their way to victory. It doesn’t work. Stacey Abrams’s claims of election mismanagement following the 2018 election were rejected in court, as were Mr. Trump’s after the 2020 election.”

He argued that it “would only reinforce the grievances of those who see the system as rigged and corrupt” if secretaries of state take Trump off the ballot. He said the decision of whether Trump will be the GOP nominee or the next president should be left up to the voters, saying anything else that denies voters the choice would “erode the belief in our uniquely American representative democracy.”

“The 2024 election won’t be decided by prosecutors,” he wrote. “It won’t be decided by John Eastman. And it won’t be decided by the vice president, whose role is simply to oversee a joint session of Congress in which each state’s electors are counted.”

A handful of legal scholars, Democrats and GOP presidential hopefuls have floated the argument that Trump may be disqualified from serving as president due to actions he allegedly took to remain in power after leaving the White House. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that anyone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” should be disqualified from holding office.

A Washington D.C.-based watchdog group has filed a lawsuit Wednesday aiming to block Trump from the 2024 ballot in Colorado, arguing he is disqualified under the 14th Amendment for his alleged actions. Other activists are pushing to disqualify Trump from the ballot in key states under the same amendment.

Raffensperger echoed similar arguments that the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board published Monday, which said disqualifying Trump from the ballot could violate the due process protections in the Constitution and “deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

Trump has maintained that there is no basis for disqualifying him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, claiming Monday that it is a ruse by Democrats “to again steal an Election.”

Raffensperger was at the center of the controversial phone call Trump made in 2020 where he asked Georgia’s top election official to “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” Raffensperger ultimately refused to go along with the efforts to “find” votes to overturn the election.

That phone call is also at the center of the Fulton County investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, where District Attorney Fani Willis (D) charged Trump and 18 others related to alleged efforts to interfere with the election.

“deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

So the articles of The Constitution can be ignored, especially one that safeguards the Constitution?
Spoken like a true son of the south, the 14th was targeted at them when it was written, but it fits Trump like a glove. I guess he will get sued to keep Trump off the ballot.
 

GenericEnigma

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Raffensperger pushes back on argument officials should remove Trump from state ballots

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) is pushing back on the argument that election officials should remove former President Trump from the ballots in their states for violating the 14th Amendment.
“Invoking the 14th Amendment is merely the newest way of attempting to short-circuit the ballot box,” Raffensperger wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Wednesday. “Since 2018, Georgia has seen losing candidates and their lawyers try to sue their way to victory. It doesn’t work. Stacey Abrams’s claims of election mismanagement following the 2018 election were rejected in court, as were Mr. Trump’s after the 2020 election.”

He argued that it “would only reinforce the grievances of those who see the system as rigged and corrupt” if secretaries of state take Trump off the ballot. He said the decision of whether Trump will be the GOP nominee or the next president should be left up to the voters, saying anything else that denies voters the choice would “erode the belief in our uniquely American representative democracy.”

“The 2024 election won’t be decided by prosecutors,” he wrote. “It won’t be decided by John Eastman. And it won’t be decided by the vice president, whose role is simply to oversee a joint session of Congress in which each state’s electors are counted.”

A handful of legal scholars, Democrats and GOP presidential hopefuls have floated the argument that Trump may be disqualified from serving as president due to actions he allegedly took to remain in power after leaving the White House. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that anyone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” should be disqualified from holding office.

A Washington D.C.-based watchdog group has filed a lawsuit Wednesday aiming to block Trump from the 2024 ballot in Colorado, arguing he is disqualified under the 14th Amendment for his alleged actions. Other activists are pushing to disqualify Trump from the ballot in key states under the same amendment.

Raffensperger echoed similar arguments that the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board published Monday, which said disqualifying Trump from the ballot could violate the due process protections in the Constitution and “deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

Trump has maintained that there is no basis for disqualifying him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, claiming Monday that it is a ruse by Democrats “to again steal an Election.”

Raffensperger was at the center of the controversial phone call Trump made in 2020 where he asked Georgia’s top election official to “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” Raffensperger ultimately refused to go along with the efforts to “find” votes to overturn the election.

That phone call is also at the center of the Fulton County investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, where District Attorney Fani Willis (D) charged Trump and 18 others related to alleged efforts to interfere with the election.

“deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

So the articles of The Constitution can be ignored, especially one that safeguards the Constitution?
He must have gone to the Fabulous Lindsay Graham College.

Next time I am indicted for theft or insider trading, I'll be announcing my candidacy for president. "Let the voters decide."
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Raffensperger pushes back on argument officials should remove Trump from state ballots

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (R) is pushing back on the argument that election officials should remove former President Trump from the ballots in their states for violating the 14th Amendment.
“Invoking the 14th Amendment is merely the newest way of attempting to short-circuit the ballot box,” Raffensperger wrote in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Wednesday. “Since 2018, Georgia has seen losing candidates and their lawyers try to sue their way to victory. It doesn’t work. Stacey Abrams’s claims of election mismanagement following the 2018 election were rejected in court, as were Mr. Trump’s after the 2020 election.”

He argued that it “would only reinforce the grievances of those who see the system as rigged and corrupt” if secretaries of state take Trump off the ballot. He said the decision of whether Trump will be the GOP nominee or the next president should be left up to the voters, saying anything else that denies voters the choice would “erode the belief in our uniquely American representative democracy.”

“The 2024 election won’t be decided by prosecutors,” he wrote. “It won’t be decided by John Eastman. And it won’t be decided by the vice president, whose role is simply to oversee a joint session of Congress in which each state’s electors are counted.”

A handful of legal scholars, Democrats and GOP presidential hopefuls have floated the argument that Trump may be disqualified from serving as president due to actions he allegedly took to remain in power after leaving the White House. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment states that anyone who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” should be disqualified from holding office.

A Washington D.C.-based watchdog group has filed a lawsuit Wednesday aiming to block Trump from the 2024 ballot in Colorado, arguing he is disqualified under the 14th Amendment for his alleged actions. Other activists are pushing to disqualify Trump from the ballot in key states under the same amendment.

Raffensperger echoed similar arguments that the Wall Street Journal’s editorial board published Monday, which said disqualifying Trump from the ballot could violate the due process protections in the Constitution and “deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

Trump has maintained that there is no basis for disqualifying him from the ballot under the 14th Amendment, claiming Monday that it is a ruse by Democrats “to again steal an Election.”

Raffensperger was at the center of the controversial phone call Trump made in 2020 where he asked Georgia’s top election official to “find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.” Raffensperger ultimately refused to go along with the efforts to “find” votes to overturn the election.

That phone call is also at the center of the Fulton County investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election in the state, where District Attorney Fani Willis (D) charged Trump and 18 others related to alleged efforts to interfere with the election.

“deny voters the constitutional right to vote for the candidate of their choice.”

So the articles of The Constitution can be ignored, especially one that safeguards the Constitution?
does that not fit in with that man’s arguments that the Constitution guarantees him the right to gut the Constitution?
 

printer

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He must have gone to the Fabulous Lindsay Graham College.

Next time I am indicted for theft or insider trading, I'll be announcing my candidacy for president. "Let the voters decide."
No, he has a diploma from the Trump College. He has all those left over diplomas in a bathroom somewhere and if he needs be he whips out his sharpy and becomes a Dr. or whatever he feels like.
 

printer

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76 percent in new poll favor age cap for president
Nearly three-fourths of Americans say there should be a ceiling for how old someone can be to serve as president in a new The Economist/YouGov poll.

Seventy-six percent of Americans said there should “be a maximum age for someone in the U.S. to serve as” president in the poll. A similar percentage of Americans said there should be a cap on that age to serve in the Senate and as a member of Congress in general.

These results come as questions about the age and health of politicians have swirled in the U.S. recently. Both presumed Democratic and Republican nominees for president, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, are over the age of 70.

Biden is 80 and polls suggest an increasing number of Democratic voters are worried over his age. Trump is 77 years old.

In the Senate, GOP leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) froze-up at a press conference last week for the second time in a matter of weeks, raising questions about his own age and health problems. Despite this, a Capitol doctor cleared McConnell “to continue with his schedule as planned” a day later.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is another prominent case of a politician whose age and health concerns have made national news recently. She was absent from the Senate for months due to shingles and encephalitis earlier this year.

The poll was taken from Sep. 2 to 5, featuring answers from 1,500 U.S. citizens aged 18 and up and has a margin error of 3.3 percent, according to a poll description.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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76 percent in new poll favor age cap for president
Nearly three-fourths of Americans say there should be a ceiling for how old someone can be to serve as president in a new The Economist/YouGov poll.

Seventy-six percent of Americans said there should “be a maximum age for someone in the U.S. to serve as” president in the poll. A similar percentage of Americans said there should be a cap on that age to serve in the Senate and as a member of Congress in general.

These results come as questions about the age and health of politicians have swirled in the U.S. recently. Both presumed Democratic and Republican nominees for president, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, are over the age of 70.

Biden is 80 and polls suggest an increasing number of Democratic voters are worried over his age. Trump is 77 years old.

In the Senate, GOP leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) froze-up at a press conference last week for the second time in a matter of weeks, raising questions about his own age and health problems. Despite this, a Capitol doctor cleared McConnell “to continue with his schedule as planned” a day later.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is another prominent case of a politician whose age and health concerns have made national news recently. She was absent from the Senate for months due to shingles and encephalitis earlier this year.

The poll was taken from Sep. 2 to 5, featuring answers from 1,500 U.S. citizens aged 18 and up and has a margin error of 3.3 percent, according to a poll description.
When you hit Joe's age lifestyle has a bigger impact and general health should be the criteria, unlike senators, presidents have vice presidents who are also elected. How would such a law impact longer healthier lifespans? We are on the cusp of greatly extending healthy vigorous lives, in 30 to 50 years will 80 be that old? To people expecting to live 150 to 200 years at the time, with longer extensions coming. It could be all the more reason for age or term limits, presidents are limited to 2 terms in office already.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
76 percent in new poll favor age cap for president
Nearly three-fourths of Americans say there should be a ceiling for how old someone can be to serve as president in a new The Economist/YouGov poll.

Seventy-six percent of Americans said there should “be a maximum age for someone in the U.S. to serve as” president in the poll. A similar percentage of Americans said there should be a cap on that age to serve in the Senate and as a member of Congress in general.

These results come as questions about the age and health of politicians have swirled in the U.S. recently. Both presumed Democratic and Republican nominees for president, Joe Biden and Donald Trump, are over the age of 70.

Biden is 80 and polls suggest an increasing number of Democratic voters are worried over his age. Trump is 77 years old.

In the Senate, GOP leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) froze-up at a press conference last week for the second time in a matter of weeks, raising questions about his own age and health problems. Despite this, a Capitol doctor cleared McConnell “to continue with his schedule as planned” a day later.
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) is another prominent case of a politician whose age and health concerns have made national news recently. She was absent from the Senate for months due to shingles and encephalitis earlier this year.

The poll was taken from Sep. 2 to 5, featuring answers from 1,500 U.S. citizens aged 18 and up and has a margin error of 3.3 percent, according to a poll description.
There are 60-year-olds who are leaving a trail of parts on the freeway, and nonagenarians who are sharp as a tack. This is more bullshit in the hot bloody skin of a slain solution.
 

GenericEnigma

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There are 60-year-olds who are leaving a trail of parts on the freeway, and nonagenarians who are sharp as a tack. This is more bullshit in the hot bloody skin of a slain solution.
Biden’s stuttering evokes a personal sentiment. My sharp-thinking 90-year-old grandmother had a stroke which affected her speech center. It was embarrassing watching people treat her differently, and it was especially aggravating when it was her caregiver son. She was no different inside her head, just struggled getting words out. She and I developed a great relationship at that point since I was the only person who understood and had the patience to converse with her.

I watch Republicans react to Biden’s stuttering much how a parent watches a toddler, e.g., learn how to use a fork.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Biden’s stuttering evokes a personal sentiment. My sharp-thinking 90-year-old grandmother had a stroke which affected her speech center. It was embarrassing watching people treat her differently, and it was especially aggravating when it was her caregiver son. She was no different inside her head, just struggled getting words out. She and I developed a great relationship at that point since I was the only person who understood and had the patience to converse with her.

I watch Republicans react to Biden’s stuttering much how a parent watches a toddler, e.g., learn how to use a fork.
So true. Aphasia comes across as a cognitive issue though it isn’t.

The slurs Repugs cast upon the President for his aphasia errors confirm @Fogdog’s contention that cruelty is a basic component of the right-wing mindset in America today.

Obtw can’t resist a fify

I watch Republicans learn how to use a fork.
 

OldMedUser

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My mom who just turned 96 a couple weeks ago is more in touch with the world and able to carry on an intelligent conversation than any of the people I know that are half her age. I'm almost 70 and she's about the only person I know I can have a decent discussion about current affairs with.

If it wasn't for all the great discussions that go on here and with her I'd soon be watching reality TV and be back to boozing for entertainment.

:peace:
 
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