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Join Charlie Sykes from The Bulwark as he navigates the political events of September 26th, 2023. From President Joe Biden's bold move in Michigan to the bravery of White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson, Sykes provides a unique perspective. He also sheds light on the corruption charges against Senator Robert Menendez and the contrasting reactions of Democrats and Republicans. In a surprising twist, Sykes highlights the MAGA community's unexpected critique of Taylor Swift. Throughout, Charlie offers a reassuring reminder: amidst the whirlwind of news, you're not the one losing touch with reality. Stay informed and grounded with The Bulwark.
 
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Shows how bright they are.

More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll
More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a recent poll found.

The survey, conducted by HarrisX for Deseret News, asked registered voters which politicians they considered to be people of faith.

Among Republicans, Trump earned the top position, with 53 percent of voters thinking he is a person of faith.

Pence, an evangelical Christian, followed closely behind, earning 52 percent in the poll.

Unlike Pence and some of the other Republican presidential candidates, Trump rarely talks about his personal faith.

His personal history is also one that would seem, at a glance, to be potentially troubling for Christian conservatives.

Trump has been divorced twice and is in the middle of a lawsuit surrounding his alleged paying of hush money to a former adult film star to stay quiet about an alleged affair. He’s also been accused of cheating on his wife with a former Playboy model.

But Trump has consistently won the support of social conservatives, and the results of the poll could provide some insight into how people see him.

Trump himself has noted that his policies have benefitted social conservatives. For example, Trump appointed three justices to the Supreme Court, all of whom were in the majority opinion overturning the Roe v. Wade decision.

In June, Trump attended the Faith & Freedom Gala where he told supporters that “no president has every fought for Christians as hard as I have.”

“I’ll fight hard until I’m back behind that desk in the Oval Office,” he said.

Among Democrats, President Biden ranked as a top choice, earning 63 percent of voters who say he is a “person of faith.”

Biden has been vocal about his Catholic faith. Vice President Kamala Harris, who identifies as Baptist but was raised in an multi-religion household, came in second for Democrats.

Almost half, 42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.

Pence, along with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), have both made their Christian faith central to their presidential campaigns. Both are rivals to Trump, the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

As for the other GOP presidential hopefuls, 47 percent of Republican respondents thought Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) is a person of faith, while Scott and former Gov. Nikki Haley (R-S.C.) tied each earning 31 percent. Thirty percent believe Vivek Ramaswamy to be religious and 22 percent said the same of former Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.).

Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
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More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll

More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice Pres…
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The poll was conducted by HarrisX from Sept. 8 to 11, among 1,002 registered voters and have a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.
 
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Shows how bright they are.

More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll
More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a recent poll found.

The survey, conducted by HarrisX for Deseret News, asked registered voters which politicians they considered to be people of faith.

Among Republicans, Trump earned the top position, with 53 percent of voters thinking he is a person of faith.

Pence, an evangelical Christian, followed closely behind, earning 52 percent in the poll.

Unlike Pence and some of the other Republican presidential candidates, Trump rarely talks about his personal faith.

His personal history is also one that would seem, at a glance, to be potentially troubling for Christian conservatives.

Trump has been divorced twice and is in the middle of a lawsuit surrounding his alleged paying of hush money to a former adult film star to stay quiet about an alleged affair. He’s also been accused of cheating on his wife with a former Playboy model.

But Trump has consistently won the support of social conservatives, and the results of the poll could provide some insight into how people see him.

Trump himself has noted that his policies have benefitted social conservatives. For example, Trump appointed three justices to the Supreme Court, all of whom were in the majority opinion overturning the Roe v. Wade decision.

In June, Trump attended the Faith & Freedom Gala where he told supporters that “no president has every fought for Christians as hard as I have.”

“I’ll fight hard until I’m back behind that desk in the Oval Office,” he said.

Among Democrats, President Biden ranked as a top choice, earning 63 percent of voters who say he is a “person of faith.”

Biden has been vocal about his Catholic faith. Vice President Kamala Harris, who identifies as Baptist but was raised in an multi-religion household, came in second for Democrats.

Almost half, 42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.

Pence, along with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), have both made their Christian faith central to their presidential campaigns. Both are rivals to Trump, the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

As for the other GOP presidential hopefuls, 47 percent of Republican respondents thought Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) is a person of faith, while Scott and former Gov. Nikki Haley (R-S.C.) tied each earning 31 percent. Thirty percent believe Vivek Ramaswamy to be religious and 22 percent said the same of former Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.).

Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
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More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll

More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice Pres…
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The poll was conducted by HarrisX from Sept. 8 to 11, among 1,002 registered voters and have a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.
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It shows how comprehensive their common cognitive dissonance is. It’s hard to reach people who think someone as showily profane and corrupt — someone as exuberantly sinful — as P01135809 is “a man of faith”.

From another angle, it illustrates how fundamentally perverted religion has become if it is able to give so ungodly a miscreant its blessing.
 
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Shows how bright they are.

More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll
More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice President Mike Pence and Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), a recent poll found.

The survey, conducted by HarrisX for Deseret News, asked registered voters which politicians they considered to be people of faith.

Among Republicans, Trump earned the top position, with 53 percent of voters thinking he is a person of faith.

Pence, an evangelical Christian, followed closely behind, earning 52 percent in the poll.

Unlike Pence and some of the other Republican presidential candidates, Trump rarely talks about his personal faith.

His personal history is also one that would seem, at a glance, to be potentially troubling for Christian conservatives.

Trump has been divorced twice and is in the middle of a lawsuit surrounding his alleged paying of hush money to a former adult film star to stay quiet about an alleged affair. He’s also been accused of cheating on his wife with a former Playboy model.

But Trump has consistently won the support of social conservatives, and the results of the poll could provide some insight into how people see him.

Trump himself has noted that his policies have benefitted social conservatives. For example, Trump appointed three justices to the Supreme Court, all of whom were in the majority opinion overturning the Roe v. Wade decision.

In June, Trump attended the Faith & Freedom Gala where he told supporters that “no president has every fought for Christians as hard as I have.”

“I’ll fight hard until I’m back behind that desk in the Oval Office,” he said.

Among Democrats, President Biden ranked as a top choice, earning 63 percent of voters who say he is a “person of faith.”

Biden has been vocal about his Catholic faith. Vice President Kamala Harris, who identifies as Baptist but was raised in an multi-religion household, came in second for Democrats.

Almost half, 42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.

Pence, along with Sen. Tim Scott (R-S.C.), have both made their Christian faith central to their presidential campaigns. Both are rivals to Trump, the frontrunner for the GOP nomination.

As for the other GOP presidential hopefuls, 47 percent of Republican respondents thought Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) is a person of faith, while Scott and former Gov. Nikki Haley (R-S.C.) tied each earning 31 percent. Thirty percent believe Vivek Ramaswamy to be religious and 22 percent said the same of former Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.).

Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
thehill.com

More Republicans see Trump as ‘person of faith’ than Pence, Romney: poll

More than half of Republicans see former President Donald Trump as a person of faith, a higher percentage than those who said the same of more vocally religious politicians such as former Vice Pres…
thehill.com thehill.com





The poll was conducted by HarrisX from Sept. 8 to 11, among 1,002 registered voters and have a margin of error of 3.1 percentage points.
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42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.
Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
What does this even mean?

I'm over The Hill.
 
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Fogdog said:
42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.
Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
What does this even mean?

I'm over The Hill.
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Me, too!

Chump is popularly seen as a shrewd & successful businessman, too:
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The End of Trump Inc. — The Atlantic

The courts are finally catching up to a man who has long behaved as though there would never be any consequences for his deceptions.
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Fogdog said:
42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.
Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
What does this even mean?

I'm over The Hill.
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OK, read it from the originating story.

www.deseret.com

Poll: Republicans see Trump as a ‘person of faith’ ... more so than Mitt Romney, Mike Pence and others

Sen. Mitt Romney tops the list for independents, while more Democrats say President Biden is a man of faith.
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com
 
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Fogdog said:
42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.
Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
What does this even mean?

I'm over The Hill.
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The cult of Cheeto Jesus is strong with the weak minded! Remember, he is leading the republican primaries by a mile and leaving second place near the single digits! The truth is stranger than fiction I'm afraid, it is a tough hill to climb though. I'm almost certain he will be disqualified in December, and at the rate things are going could be bankrupted before he goes to prison which I'm also certain will happen this spring, unless he dies first.

Get popcorn because it could be "Write Trump in" time, he will command a minimum of 30% of the GOP base, disqualified or not, no matter what happens, they would write him in while he's disqualified and in a prison cell. A large percentage of them disconnected from reality and stupefied might be to the democrats advantage. There is a downside to cultism and if the SCOTUS disqualifies Trump from the primaries, we could see it play out. Seriously, writing Trump in is a stupid pointless idea, just the kind of thing he would go for and a third of the base is at his command...
 
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Fogdog said:
42 percent, of Independent voters said Romney, a Mormon, was the political figure most likely to be a person of faith.
Less than a quarter of Republicans believe Biden is a person of faith and 12 percent said the same for Harris.
What does this even mean?

I'm over The Hill.
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Imo it’s another instance of using polls as ersatz news.
 
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OK, read it from the originating story.

www.deseret.com

Poll: Republicans see Trump as a ‘person of faith’ ... more so than Mitt Romney, Mike Pence and others

Sen. Mitt Romney tops the list for independents, while more Democrats say President Biden is a man of faith.
www.deseret.com www.deseret.com
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Just for the record, I wasn't criticizing your post. I think it's important to know what people are In fact saying as opposed to what people like Trump say people are saying. Also too, I wanted to use the "over The Hill" line.

And holy shit. Republicans feel entitled to say whether or a person like Biden or Harris are people of faith. As if they are entitled to have an opinion on a subject that is so deeply personal? Or their belief is some sort of standard that can be used to judge others. Those people have gotten so far away from what Christ taught that even an atheist can point to where Jesus taught completely the opposite of what they say and do. Looked at that way, I guess if a Republican says Biden isn't a person of faith means Biden is a person of faith.

This is so mixed up.
 
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Fogdog said:
Just for the record, I wasn't criticizing your post. I think it's important to know what people are In fact saying as opposed to what people like Trump say people are saying. Also too, I wanted to use the "over The Hill" line.

And holy shit. Republicans feel entitled to say whether or a person like Biden or Harris are people of faith. As if they are entitled to have an opinion on a subject that is so deeply personal? Or their belief is some sort of standard that can be used to judge others. Those people have gotten so far away from what Christ taught that even an atheist can point to where Jesus taught completely the opposite of what they say and do. Looked at that way, I guess if a Republican says Biden isn't a person of faith means Biden is a person of faith.

This is so mixed up.
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I did not take it as criticizing your post, I think we all have got a good idea of where each's thoughts lie. I thought you wanted to read it other than The Hill, missed the humor part.
 
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Fogdog said:
Just for the record, I wasn't criticizing your post. I think it's important to know what people are In fact saying as opposed to what people like Trump say people are saying. Also too, I wanted to use the "over The Hill" line.

And holy shit. Republicans feel entitled to say whether or a person like Biden or Harris are people of faith. As if they are entitled to have an opinion on a subject that is so deeply personal? Or their belief is some sort of standard that can be used to judge others. Those people have gotten so far away from what Christ taught that even an atheist can point to where Jesus taught completely the opposite of what they say and do. Looked at that way, I guess if a Republican says Biden isn't a person of faith means Biden is a person of faith.

This is so mixed up.
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Fogdog said:
Just for the record, I wasn't criticizing your post. I think it's important to know what people are In fact saying as opposed to what people like Trump say people are saying. Also too, I wanted to use the "over The Hill" line.

And holy shit. Republicans feel entitled to say whether or a person like Biden or Harris are people of faith. As if they are entitled to have an opinion on a subject that is so deeply personal? Or their belief is some sort of standard that can be used to judge others. Those people have gotten so far away from what Christ taught that even an atheist can point to where Jesus taught completely the opposite of what they say and do. Looked at that way, I guess if a Republican says Biden isn't a person of faith means Biden is a person of faith.

This is so mixed up.
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Atheists have always known the bible better than the religious or pseudo religious. Most American "preachers" are grifters and have a plastic mentality that allows them to believe what is profitable, not true. There have been many Christian ministers run out of the south, they have their own brand of religion, one suited to slave owners and such, no reason is required, just blind faith and nothing more, no morals or ethics and good works won't get you into heaven etc. They even needed their own bible schools to train these special preachers and increasingly their own schools to keep the flock together and the grift going. Then there are the mega churches and the doctrine of prosperity along with the TV preachers we are all familiar with, the format of lecturing bullshit with no rebuttal or questions works on TV and in churches. Like Trump, there can be no challengers when they speak.
 
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DeSantis top aide grilled over map that dismantled seat held by Black Democrat
A federal trial that could upend one of Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ significant political victories began Tuesday with one of his top aides spending hours on the witness stand defending the legality of a congressional map that dismantled the North Florida district once held by a Black Democrat.
Voting and civil rights groups contend the map muscled through the Republican-controlled Legislature last year is discriminatory and unconstitutional, a charge denied by DeSantis and his administration. A three-judge panel is considering the case and could ultimately rule that the map needs to be changed.

The trial, scheduled to stretch over the next week or so, kicked off with a back and forth with Alex Kelly, the acting chief of staff for DeSantis who was the chief mapmaker who drew up the plan that ultimately netted the GOP four seats and helped them win back the U.S. House during the 2022 elections.

During his lengthy testimony, Kelly faulted past rulings by the Florida Supreme Court related to redistricting, questioned how the Legislature handled redistricting at times and made comments that appeared at odds with statements he made in his own depositions.
Kelly also insisted that the map that DeSantis has recently touted on the campaign trail as helping Republicans win the House last year was not drawn for “partisan” reasons or to help any incumbents — factors that are not allowed under Florida’s voter-approved anti-gerrymandering standards.

In one notable exchange, Kelly also insisted to one of the lead lawyers questioning him that he had no idea that he was bolstering the percentage of white voters in four districts by splitting up the seat that had been held by Rep. Al Lawson.
“I had no reason to look at racial and ethnic data in North Florida,” Kelly testified.

The ongoing federal trial is separate from a different legal challenge in state court, although both primarily focus on Lawson’s dismantled seat. In the state case, a Florida circuit judge ruled earlier this month that the redrawn district violates the state’s Constitution and ordered the GOP-led Legislature to create a new map. That ruling has been appealed and will be taken up by a state appeals court later this fall.

The scope of the state lawsuit was narrowed right before trial and was confined to a single day of legal arguments and no witness testimony.
Lawyers representing the groups and individuals suing in federal court — which includes the democracy advocacy organization Common Cause and NAACP — plan to bring in experts to talk about Florida’s history and whether it can be shown that what the governor did was discriminatory, although there won’t be much direct evidence that delves into the behind-the-scenes machinations.

Instead, the legal battle is focusing on DeSantis’ unusual decision to insert himself into the redistricting process by offering up his own maps and then vetoing the initial proposal by the Republican-dominated Legislature that would have preserved a Jacksonville-based district where Black voters would have remained a substantial minority. DeSantis’ general counsel at the time contended that this district diluted Black voting power too much.

Kelly on Tuesday was asked about DeSantis’ motivations for pushing the map despite the initial reluctance of the Legislature. DeSantis had argued that Lawson’s old district — which stretched roughly 200 miles from Jacksonville to just west of Tallahassee — violated the U.S. Constitution’s equal protection clause.

U.S. District Judge M. Casey Rodgers, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, pressed Kelly to cite a court ruling that backed up DeSantis’ argument that Lawson’s former district was unconstitutional. Kelly acknowledged that he didn’t know.
When it was pointed out by the plaintiffs’ attorneys that the Florida Supreme Court had established Lawson’s district in 2015 by determining the Legislature back then violated the state’s Fair Districts amendment, Kelly responded at least two times that the “Florida Supreme Court got it wrong.”

Kelly made this assertion even though, in a June deposition he gave in the state case, he said that he had not read the 2015 Florida Supreme Court decision that resulted in the creation of the seat. When asked about this outside the courtroom, Kelly responded that “reading” the entire ruling is “different than understanding that the result was wrong.”

Kelly also said there were times that he did think the Legislature’s initial analysis about redistricting was not “reasonable” and he was not pleased with how lawmakers treated an expert who was brought in to defend the governor’s proposal at a legislative hearing.
Kathay Feng, Common Cause vice president for programs who was on hand for the trial, contended that Kelly’s testimony showed that the DeSantis administration was struggling to explain their actions.

“There’s a lot of twisting and turning, there’s a lot of fabrication, there’s a lot of denial of history,” Feng said.
www.politico.com

DeSantis top aide grilled over map that dismantled seat held by Black Democrat

The ongoing federal trial is separate from a different legal challenge in state court.
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BREAKING: Donald Trump is caught in a jaw-dropping fake event scandal as it's revealed that the rally he supposedly held for autoworkers and union members in Michigan was a complete farce.

This is bad, even for a reality television host...

According to credible reporting by The Detroit News, the crowd at the event was DEEPLY suspicious. Their reporter attended the rally and discovered that one of the women holding a "union members for Trump" sign wasn't actually a union member.

In fact, it's unclear if any of the people in the crowd belong to a union.

Another attendee holding an "auto workers for Trump" sign admitted that he was not a union worker. Again, it's unclear how many people present were actually workers at all.

The event drew only 500 or so people — either actors or just fanatical Trump supporters — and the automotive parts supplier where it was held is a non-union shop with just 150 workers.

In other words, Donald Trump meticulously constructed a ruse to convince voters that he is pro-worker despite belonging to a party that solely defends the interests of bosses and corporations.

The charade contrasts sharply with Joe Biden who appeared on the picket line in solidarity with the United Auto Workers Union which currently has 18,300 workers on strike. It was the first time in history that a president has joined a picket.

Shawn Fain, the President of United Auto Workers, refused to meet with Trump and correctly stated that the ex-president "serves the billionaire class" and said that his decision to appear at a non-unionized facility a "pathetic irony."

Donald Trump is trying to trick pro-union and pro-worker voters to support him in 2024. Unfortunately for him, they see right through his lies.
 
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