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desert dude

desert dude

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Canada is the biggest loser in all of this.

A flood of unemployed, self-absorbed is "leaving the US forever" and moving to Canada. I am sure our kindly northern neighbors will be happy to feed, cloth, and change their diapers.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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desert dude said:
Canada is the biggest loser in all of this.

A flood of unemployed, self-absorbed is "leaving the US forever" and moving to Canada. I am sure our kindly northern neighbors will be happy to feed, cloth, and change their diapers.
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Can you remind me again what Trump is going to do. What things will be done for our nation ?
 
see4

see4

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desert dude said:
Canada is the biggest loser in all of this.

A flood of unemployed, self-absorbed is "leaving the US forever" and moving to Canada. I am sure our kindly northern neighbors will be happy to feed, cloth, and change their diapers.
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Interestingly enough, the financial backbone to the entire United States resides in the blue states.

So if your childish claim were actually true and the financial backbone of this country were to up and leave, Drumpf would be in charge of a 3rd world country.

#sotheresthat
 
desert dude

desert dude

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see4 said:
Interestingly enough, the financial backbone to the entire United States resides in the blue states.

So if your childish claim were actually true and the financial backbone of this country were to up and leave, Drumpf would be in charge of a 3rd world country.

#sotheresthat
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You need to learn to say "hooh aboot that, eh? Give us another Tim Hortons!"
 
captainmorgan

captainmorgan

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desert dude said:
Canada is the biggest loser in all of this.

A flood of unemployed, self-absorbed is "leaving the US forever" and moving to Canada. I am sure our kindly northern neighbors will be happy to feed, cloth, and change their diapers.
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You don't actually believe he is going to build a wall do you, it's all smoke and mirrors. He promises huge growth but not globalism, you can't have it both ways. A educated society has less children and without immigration or a open market you don't get that kind of growth. The real money that runs things won't let him build a wall or shut out the world.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Chump won because he convinced at least a few liberals that he was the agent of change rather than Hillary Clinton. I'm quite sure of this analysis because it came to me directly from their mouths.

It is a vote that deserves respect for the guts it took to make it, considering how far the Chump is from accepted liberal ideals.

The DNC ruthlessly crushed the antiestablishment candidate in a fit of capitulation to its own monied interests, and lost the confidence of its own constituency in the process.

The 90% of us are still here and we are listening. If the Chump was the only one who bothered to speak to us, maybe that's not am indictment of his strategy, but rather of THE ENTIRE REST OF THE POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT.

In other words, the Chump managed to capture the radical LEFT vote, or at least enough of it to gain victory.
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The states where he did best in were ones with large groups of the lower educated underemployed workers or unemployed. The ones that really took the wind out of Clinton's sails were Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, where there are large numbers of people displaced by the changes to our economy over the past 30 years. As opposed to Colorado, CA, WA and the north eastern states. Those states have been doing OK.

From what you say, Trump won because he won crossover voters from the Democratic party. That was definitely true in WI, MI and OH, where there is also considerable economic hardship. I don't know that the blue collar manufacturing worker in those states were ever radical left. They were from a working class union tradition. That said, WI and MI voted for Sanders in the primary, so maybe I'm just hung up on the term radical left. I think Sanders was more centrist than radical left. His trade policies would have resonated better with them than Clinton's half-hearted concepts that she reluctantly adopted from Bernie. Trump's words seemed to resonate better, that's certain.

CO Democratic voters went strongly to Bernie, I assume that many of these voters are who you allude to as radical left. Bernie won Oregon by pretty good numbers. I can say for a fact that a good number of Oregon's Democratic Party voters are radical left. If what you say is true -- that left wing voters were attracted to Trump -- why then didn't Colorado or Oregon go for Trump in the national election?

What I find hard to believe is that radical left voters were drawn to Trump's rhetoric in large numbers. Partly because the radical left doesn't have large numbers and partly because Trump's racism and other nasty traits are anathema to the left.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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desert dude said:
Canada is the biggest loser in all of this.

A flood of unemployed, self-absorbed is "leaving the US forever" and moving to Canada. I am sure our kindly northern neighbors will be happy to feed, cloth, and change their diapers.
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Wishful thinking Desert Dude. Children help drive the economy, by the way, so we want to keep them. Old shits like you are a drag on the economy as well as simply a drag to be around. You can go to Canada any day, if they will let you in. I think they will let you keep some of your guns too.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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see4 said:
Interestingly enough, the financial backbone to the entire United States resides in the blue states.

So if your childish claim were actually true and the financial backbone of this country were to up and leave, Drumpf would be in charge of a 3rd world country.

#sotheresthat
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California would stop producing food if Cher moves to Canada, you heard it first here on RIU Politics folks.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
The states where he did best in were ones with large groups of the lower educated underemployed workers or unemployed. The ones that really took the wind out of Clinton's sails were Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, where there are large numbers of people displaced by the changes to our economy over the past 30 years. As opposed to Colorado, CA, WA and the north eastern states. Those states have been doing OK.

From what you say, Trump won because he won crossover voters from the Democratic party. That was definitely true in WI, MI and OH, where there is also considerable economic hardship. I don't know that the blue collar manufacturing worker in those states were ever radical left. They were from a working class union tradition. That said, WI and MI voted for Sanders in the primary, so maybe I'm just hung up on the term radical left. I think Sanders was more centrist than radical left. His trade policies would have resonated better with them than Clinton's half-hearted concepts that she reluctantly adopted from Bernie. Trump's words seemed to resonate better, that's certain.

CO Democratic voters went strongly to Bernie, I assume that many of these voters are who you allude to as radical left. Bernie won Oregon by pretty good numbers. I can say for a fact that a good number of Oregon's Democratic Party voters are radical left. If what you say is true -- that left wing voters were attracted to Trump -- why then didn't Colorado or Oregon go for Trump in the national election?

What I find hard to believe is that radical left voters were drawn to Trump's rhetoric in large numbers. Partly because the radical left doesn't have large numbers and partly because Trump's racism and other nasty traits are anathema to the left.
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Funny, not once did I utter the phrase, 'radical left'. So that's all you, all half dozen references or more.

Liberals in this country would have been ecstatic over Bernie, because centrist is what liberalism has come to mean in this skewed country.

I think the working class was itching to vote for Bernie because they told me so. They did not like, trust or respect Mrs Clinton or her policies. If the Chump spoke to them, that's kudos to him.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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Fogdog said:
The states where he did best in were ones with large groups of the lower educated underemployed workers or unemployed. The ones that really took the wind out of Clinton's sails were Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, where there are large numbers of people displaced by the changes to our economy over the past 30 years. As opposed to Colorado, CA, WA and the north eastern states. Those states have been doing OK.

From what you say, Trump won because he won crossover voters from the Democratic party. That was definitely true in WI, MI and OH, where there is also considerable economic hardship. I don't know that the blue collar manufacturing worker in those states were ever radical left. They were from a working class union tradition. That said, WI and MI voted for Sanders in the primary, so maybe I'm just hung up on the term radical left. I think Sanders was more centrist than radical left. His trade policies would have resonated better with them than Clinton's half-hearted concepts that she reluctantly adopted from Bernie. Trump's words seemed to resonate better, that's certain.

CO Democratic voters went strongly to Bernie, I assume that many of these voters are who you allude to as radical left. Bernie won Oregon by pretty good numbers. I can say for a fact that a good number of Oregon's Democratic Party voters are radical left. If what you say is true -- that left wing voters were attracted to Trump -- why then didn't Colorado or Oregon go for Trump in the national election?

What I find hard to believe is that radical left voters were drawn to Trump's rhetoric in large numbers. Partly because the radical left doesn't have large numbers and partly because Trump's racism and other nasty traits are anathema to the left.
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LOL.

The Democratic coalition of abused minorities are deep thinkers and Trump voters were just a bunch of ignorant racists. Got it. Great strategy on the Democratic side. Worked beautifully for you guys.

If you can just figure out how to tell ordinary Americans to shut and listen to their betters without offending them you might get elected dog catcher someday.
 
see4

see4

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twostrokenut said:
Tell you what, I will try about as hard as you did to justify how you intend to get around paying what you owe, that POTUS does not.
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I've already explained. Just because you don't accept the answer without provocation or causation doesn't mean it unjustified and explained.

Look, these circular conversations are really boring. Unless you've got something constructive to talk about, I concede to your debate. You're boring.
 
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