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The Climate Change Bill everyone was talking about (important)

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Keenly

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Im sorry if this has been posted before

these sixty or so minutes of video are very very important

This is straight from the house of reps


Please take the time out of your day to watch this...

Part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFC48voKjbs

Part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13tlmowDJrA&feature=related

part3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGlzjXf8U8&feature=related

part4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSPHB5dHZyQ&feature=related

part5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnzYhLP6u7c&feature=related

part6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbONtHuIU5Q&feature=related

Please, its VERY important you listen to what the representative from OHIO has to say...
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
climate bill = the largest tax increase in the history of the us
also = largest lobbying effort to sway public opinion on this issue by the corporations, maybe not in history, but you get the point.

Think back a decade or two with the clean water acts. So we clean up ground water, but leave it ok to dump waste in the air. Everything has a cost, even if the people that have to pay in the future are not the same as the people that benefit today.

And like everything it would have been easier and cheaper to clean it up earlier, but the shortsightedness we have as a society kept pushing it further and further out.

Even if you don't want to listen to the scientific community that has warned every type of disaster with astonishing accuracy that global warming is occurring and going to change the way we live, if you go around the coal heavy areas of our countries you cannot deny how dirty it is.

If your worried about the taxes, tell the companies that want to bring the costs of taxes to you to fix their electrical grids that waste 50% (lost) of the electricity that passes through it. And spend money on solar panels on every home in America to get around this. Essentially turning every home into a small power plant.
 
K

Keenly

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also = largest lobbying effort to sway public opinion on this issue by the corporations, maybe not in history, but you get the point.

Think back a decade or two with the clean water acts. So we clean up ground water, but leave it ok to dump waste in the air. Everything has a cost, even if the people that have to pay in the future are not the same as the people that benefit today.

And like everything it would have been easier and cheaper to clean it up earlier, but the shortsightedness we have as a society kept pushing it further and further out.

Even if you don't want to listen to the scientific community that has warned every type of disaster with astonishing accuracy that global warming is occurring and going to change the way we live, if you go around the coal heavy areas of our countries you cannot deny how dirty it is.

If your worried about the taxes, tell the companies that want to bring the costs of taxes to you to fix their electrical grids that waste 50% (lost) of the electricity that passes through it. And spend money on solar panels on every home in America to get around this. Essentially turning every home into a small power plant.

sorry, global warming is a giant scam

the earths climate follows the sun plain and simple....


why is it so damn hot outside at this very moment? sure as hell isnt global warming

earlier in the month the sun had its first sunspots in almost 3 years

thats also why the last 2 years haVE had record colds...it snowed in kenya man.....

hoax....

solar panels are less efficient that AC generators... who is going to pay for all of that?


Electricity does NOT suffer a 50% loss when traveling, you need to stop pulling facts out of your ass....

bottom line, the system we have now is the most efficient cost per watt generated right now

dont buy in to the global warming propoganda....
 
K

Keenly

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you know what. double post just to tell you to get out of the thread because you didnt even look at what this thread was about


this thread is about the videos from the house floor which you clearly did not even watch...

the bill has things in it that have nothing to do with energy or conservation
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
also = largest lobbying effort to sway public opinion on this issue by the corporations, maybe not in history, but you get the point.

Think back a decade or two with the clean water acts. So we clean up ground water, but leave it ok to dump waste in the air. Everything has a cost, even if the people that have to pay in the future are not the same as the people that benefit today.

And like everything it would have been easier and cheaper to clean it up earlier, but the shortsightedness we have as a society kept pushing it further and further out.

Even if you don't want to listen to the scientific community that has warned every type of disaster with astonishing accuracy that global warming is occurring and going to change the way we live, if you go around the coal heavy areas of our countries you cannot deny how dirty it is.

If your worried about the taxes, tell the companies that want to bring the costs of taxes to you to fix their electrical grids that waste 50% (lost) of the electricity that passes through it. And spend money on solar panels on every home in America to get around this. Essentially turning every home into a small power plant.
With astonishing inaccuracy

What the hell happened to the horrible, horrible hurricane seasons we were supposed to have in 07 and 08?

Oops, Scientific Community FUCKED UP!

Accurate, about as accurate as some one trying to hit a barn with a baseball. There's no doubt they can get in the general area, but sometimes they just miss completely.
 
K

Keenly

Guest
With astonishing inaccuracy

What the hell happened to the horrible, horrible hurricane seasons we were supposed to have in 07 and 08?

Oops, Scientific Community FUCKED UP!

Accurate, about as accurate as some one trying to hit a barn with a baseball. There's no doubt they can get in the general area, but sometimes they just miss completely.

nah dude he is 100% correct

Global warming predictions = BAD WEATHER


they totally got that right....

not
 

Dolce Vita

Active Member
Like I said, trying to hit the broadside of a barn with a baseball. The amazing thing is how often they are wrong.
you could'nt even hit the ground! lol

sorry, global warming is a giant scam

the earths climate follows the sun plain and simple....


why is it so damn hot outside at this very moment? sure as hell isnt global warming

earlier in the month the sun had its first sunspots in almost 3 years

thats also why the last 2 years haVE had record colds...it snowed in kenya man.....

hoax....

solar panels are less efficient that AC generators... who is going to pay for all of that?


Electricity does NOT suffer a 50% loss when traveling, you need to stop pulling facts out of your ass....

bottom line, the system we have now is the most efficient cost per watt generated right now

dont buy in to the global warming propoganda....
if its not based on the sun then why is Mars's polar ice caps melting, why is Jupiter's moons melting? the fact is the sun has a cycle that matches earths temperature better than al gores little chart that spans less than 100 years. i think it merits more investigation. and if it was caused by is (doubt it) then why is obamas science czar calling to pollute the atmosphere?
 

ViRedd

New Member
There is an agenda at work here. Actually a couple of them. First, the Global Warming scam is about money and making a few people at the top VERY rich. Second, its about bringing us into a one-world governance. Simple as that.

Vi
 

jrh72582

Well-Known Member
you know what. double post just to tell you to get out of the thread because you didnt even look at what this thread was about


this thread is about the videos from the house floor which you clearly did not even watch...

the bill has things in it that have nothing to do with energy or conservation
Who in the HELL is this guy? Do you rule the internet? Are you the big boss man? Well, just because you say something doesn't make it right. That's a FACT!
 

Dolce Vita

Active Member
Who in the HELL is this guy? Do you rule the internet? Are you the big boss man? Well, just because you say something doesn't make it right. That's a FACT!

Nope this guy does.


(he is obamas internet czar, in case you didn't know we had one)
 

TheBrutalTruth

Well-Known Member
Internet Czar
Car Czar
and 18 other Czars

I personally will refrain from what I think should be done with Obama and all his Czars and instead focus on the word Czar.

Czar as we all know (at least I hope we all know) is a term from Russia used to describe their king.

Why we need bureaucrats given the title of King in the United States is unexplainable. We don't. We do not need any one that has that title, and any one that desires to give that title away like candy should be accused of treason, lined up against the wall, told that they have 5 seconds for their last words before having their brains sprayed onto the bricks of said wall.

This word, Czar, is a curse that can only be used to describe the most degenerate of Europe's Monarchies, and only an imbecile like Obama would be so tempted to use it to describe bureaucrats, because he is not Christian, Muslim or Atheist. No, his God is the same God that all Socialists worship. His God is the State, the government, the destroyer of life, the shredder of dreams, the violator of liberties and the stealer of freedoms.

His god is the power embewed in the state. He is not honorable, nor does he know jack shit about history or about the Constitution. Any one familiar with US History would understand why the word Czar should not be used in a Republic.

No, One should wonder if Obama is not trying to usurp not just the liberties that we hold dear, but our entire nation at the behest of his true masters, to turn it into another failed empire that emerged from a failed republic like Rome.

Ultimately, Rome ended up seeing the accursed word Rex (King) being given to Caesar, just as we are seeing the accursed word Czar being given to government dogs by Obama.
 

ViRedd

New Member
^^^^^ Zowie! That was a great post! Brutal ... you da man! :)

I'm convinced that Obama truly hates the wealthy. The man is a Marxist, embroiled in Chicago thuggery politics, now brought to the White House. Obama is the most dangerous man to hold the position of president since LBJ. Instead of the victims being U.S. military personnel in Vietnam, Obama's victims will be middle class Americans right here on our own soil. The man, in colusion with Wall Street financiers, is pulling off the greatest train robbery in history right before our eyes. The good news is, Americans are starting to wake up. Hopefully, there will be enough of us to start turning the tide toward liberty this coming election cycle in 2010.

Vi
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member


America's Drug Czar William E. Simon. Around 1973. Damn Obama and his ability to change the past.



Even if you don't want to listen to the scientific community that has warned every type of disaster with astonishing accuracy that global warming is occurring and going to change the way we live, if you go around the coal heavy areas of our countries you cannot deny how dirty it is.
Scientists: Lets not live in costal swamps that help stop hurricanes from washing away shorelines and the damage of low areas with high populations will be great. We should not live around vocanos. We shouldn't live in the desert due to water tables, we should not have so many foods that are not natural or sugar and fat laden, we should not dump toxins into the water because we need it to drink, shouldnt allow massive deforistation since it is destroying ecosystems, We shouldn't allow banks to grow so big and allow so much deregulation since it could cause more collapses, We should make sure children get exercise and eat better, on and on.

But yeah only the ones that agree with you are right until it is too late and then noone cares about who they were anyway. So the sun is affecting the solar system those scientists are right but others are wrong, thats just cherry picking.

Anyway back to the point of that, just because something may not be the real reason of warming doesn't mean we shouln't take steps to clean up the planet.

sorry, global warming is a giant scam

the earths climate follows the sun plain and simple....
Funny enough I don't disagree with this. But saying that is the only thing that can affect it? That something that I don't. And like I said, even if you don't agree with it you can't deny using the air we breath as a place to dump waste is not the way to go, maybe you can, but then you may be as ignorant as the ones who say it can only be global warming and not the sun.


With astonishing inaccuracy

What the hell happened to the horrible, horrible hurricane seasons we were supposed to have in 07 and 08?

Oops, Scientific Community FUCKED UP!

Accurate, about as accurate as some one trying to hit a barn with a baseball. There's no doubt they can get in the general area, but sometimes they just miss completely.
Alantic hurricanes: 2008- 17, 2007- 17 2006- 10 2005-31 2004-17 2005-20 2004-14

After almost double hurricanes in 2005, it would be prudent to warn of increased risk don't you think?

Science is just taking the data at hand and making the most accurate inferance based off of it possible and contiually trying to discredit it.

Electricity does NOT suffer a 50% loss when traveling, you need to stop pulling facts out of your ass....

bottom line, the system we have now is the most efficient cost per watt generated right now

dont buy in to the global warming propoganda....
I hate to quote a wiki entry but here it is:

The very best coal plants have a effciency of about 45% so 55% of the energy of coal ends up as waste heat. Some power plants can send the waste heat to another user like a paper mill if one is nearby. Additional losses occur in transmission of electricity (about 7%) generator losses (2-3%) transformer losses (2%) and then further losses depending on what appliances you run. In all only about 1/3 of the energy from burned coal will end up at the end user so 2/3 of the energy is "lost". But since energy is not ever lost but just ends up in a form that cannot do any useful work.



I just think it is idiocy to not develope new better ways to do things and stay stagnant because you would rather say something is wrong and dismiss it than to figure out the parts that are right and useful.

If we developed a system to on a massive scale to put solar panels on every home in america the electric grid would almost never fail. They would become cheaper and increase in their productivity and technology.

But I guess I am an idiot.



It just makes sense to keep an open mind about these things and not just listen to the people that profit and take everything they say as the only truth.
 
K

Keenly

Guest
solar panels are only at best 30% efficient ...


the WHOLE planet would need to be 100% covered in solar panels to run what we run..

some panels on your roof is not enough to run your house for 24 hours...

and its not even close


you cant just show me some graph and say LOOK GLOBAL WARMING
 

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
So through the free market they get better and better capturing more and more free rays. And I never said to abolish all other forms of electricity, we just need to start moving forward with the technologies we have intelligently. People are already getting checks back from the electric companies that have solar panels. So it must be working on a small scale, I just think it is time to ramp up the production and improve the technology.

And I am sorry what do you mean by global warming? To me it means increase in temperatures across the globe. So taking the numbers and extrapolating them out.

As I have not been in all these places to take temperatures for the last couple hundred years I can't verify there accuracy, but I am not going to stick my head into the sand.
 
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