The Art of The Auto

Lampey Simpkin

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First time auto, Devilmatic from MOC named her Delilah. Had issues with a slow start as the roots almost died, and overpruning slowed her down she has been going for about a month. Great forums BTW already have learned so much just from reading. Keep up the good work all!
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FullDuplex

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fd... WHEN YOU SAY HIGH FERT SCHEDULE... WHAT ARE WE TALKIN HERE? WHAT STRNGTH AND HOW OFTEN? (REALLY STILL TRYIN TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS CRAZY-REDUCED FERT SCHED FOR AUTOS... STILL ADJUSTING!)
what i mean is that not all autos are the same lol
I have been growing the same genetic line for over a year now
and they all seem like they really like my fert schedule.

This is what i doi break it down as follows

First off let me talk about what i use as ferts. I have a 4 part system that i use and most of this is in the brain so please bare with me as i share this one.

I use FF grow big (hydro formula) Tiger Bloom and then two tea variations. One is high in N for veg and the other is high in Phosphorus when its time to flower.
I apply these through out the grow. I use the FF to get it started.
then i move to the teas and then back to the FF and then back to the teas

So i break it down like this:
FF GB is 3Tsp/1Gal for heavy feedings. So in my mind this is more than enough for our fave friends. So it states that 2tsp/1gal is for normal feedings so i use this as my base number. After that i break it down into 1/4

at 7 days i start like this
Day 7 1/4 dose to a gal
Day 14 1/2 dose to a gal + 8oz of N rated tea
Day 21 1tsp GB and then 1/4 of TB (bringing in the TB)
Day 28 1/2 TB + 8oz of Phosphorus rated tea
Day 35 1.5 tsp TB to a gal
Day 41 2tsp of TB and 8oz of Phosphorus rated tea
Then Flush till finish :) unless it needs something at the end.

I think that this is everything that i do like i said i am not sure as this is all in my head. If the plants demand more that i give more this is just something to go by. I usually do not swap in clean water feedings at all over the fert program. I just use the jug then its gone. Now if i start to see over feeding or lockouts ill flush.
But if i keep my water on point i never usually see a lock out or toxicity.

Hope this helps
 

John Mondello

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Yeah that is what I was talking about. I have run across it a couple of times. It was something like 24 hours or so of dark and timing it so the soil is kind of dry as well. It was suggested that this would stress the plant into becoming more resinous.
WELL, I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE... IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY SHORT PREIOD OF TIME TO HAVE ANY MAJOR EFFECT THOUGH... I MEAN THEY SPEND WHAT 4 - 6 WEEKS DEVELOPING.. AND THEN 1 OR 2 DAYS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A BIG DIF? i DUNNO... TRY IT? MAYBE i'LL TRY IT WHEN i HARVEST... i'LL PIC 1 OR 2 TO SEPERATE SO WE CAN COMPARE... REMIND ME AS WE APPROACH MY HARVEST... jAN 10TH IS..

j
 

FullDuplex

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on a 6 inch pot...don't forget to say that....
or people might not appreciate it. :leaf:
Ahh true i forget about that detail from time to time
Yep it was in a 6in pot :0 heafty little bitch she was

Hey m8's...
I'll try to get in later.
You cannot carry a link or anything ATM...
everything is running so slow...and jamming...
it is gonna take me hours to reply at this rate...
You're not the only one my friend i am having the same issues too....
 

FullDuplex

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WELL, I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE... IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY SHORT PREIOD OF TIME TO HAVE ANY MAJOR EFFECT THOUGH... I MEAN THEY SPEND WHAT 4 - 6 WEEKS DEVELOPING.. AND THEN 1 OR 2 DAYS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A BIG DIF? i DUNNO... TRY IT? MAYBE i'LL TRY IT WHEN i HARVEST... i'LL PIC 1 OR 2 TO SEPERATE SO WE CAN COMPARE... REMIND ME AS WE APPROACH MY HARVEST... jAN 10TH IS..

j
I think that i may give this a go too as i have heard of the same thing
even posted in here and i believe that Mossy does it too
so hell be the best to ask this as well.

I have 4 gals this round i may try it with one of them
to see if there is a difference
 

teflondummy

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WELL, I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE... IT SEEMS LIKE A VERY SHORT PREIOD OF TIME TO HAVE ANY MAJOR EFFECT THOUGH... I MEAN THEY SPEND WHAT 4 - 6 WEEKS DEVELOPING.. AND THEN 1 OR 2 DAYS IS SUPPOSED TO MAKE A BIG DIF? i DUNNO... TRY IT? MAYBE i'LL TRY IT WHEN i HARVEST... i'LL PIC 1 OR 2 TO SEPERATE SO WE CAN COMPARE... REMIND ME AS WE APPROACH MY HARVEST... jAN 10TH IS..

j
I feel the same way. Thats why I threw the question out there. I might let it sit a little longer than 24 hrs. But I really can't do a comparison yet since I have a mix of genetics but I should be starting a crop of Blue Himalayas in a couple of weeks. I will definitely give it the myth busters treatment then.
 

teflondummy

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Ahh true i forget about that detail from time to time
Yep it was in a 6in pot :0 heafty little bitch she was



You're not the only one my friend i am having the same issues too....
6" pot, well that is a different story all together. How much was it dry?
 

teflondummy

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I think that i may give this a go too as i have heard of the same thing
even posted in here and i believe that Mossy does it too
so hell be the best to ask this as well.

I have 4 gals this round i may try it with one of them
to see if there is a difference
I would like to hear mossys thoughts on the subject as well
 

John Mondello

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6" pot, well that is a different story all together. How much was it dry?
MY THOUGHTS TOO! HOLY CRAP!

fd: THANKS FOR THE FERT SCHED.. VERY HELPFUL... ALSO... YOU USE tbsp AS UR ABBREVIATION... i ASSUME YOU MEAN ALL TEASPOONS... NOT TABLESPOONS.. AS TABLESPOONS ARE 3X TEASPOONS...

j
 

John Mondello

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I think it dried out to about 42-43 some odd g's very dense set of nuggs off of her not much water loss at all
Actually, from my experience.. (at least with photos) dry weight varies drastically based on how well you take care of them... you obviously have it down, my fat-leaved friend!

:)
 

John Mondello

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so actually... your fert sched helps figure things out a little... but it also confuese me more... because... the little tiny bit o nutes I put on went right to lock-out conditions... and yet ur running way higher concentrations than i did... hmmm strain must def be a factor... what soil u using again... your'e not us FFOF are you?
 

FullDuplex

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Really?
Wow... Thats a lot for the autos huh? You have what strain again?
I stand Corrected it is tea spoon LOL my fault Guys
Can me i know that i use a dropper for my measurements. At full FF dose its 10ml to a gal :) 5ml = one teaspoon sorry about that

Actually, from my experience.. (at least with photos) dry weight varies drastically based on how well you take care of them... you obviously have it down, my fat-leaved friend!

:)
And i have to agree 100% it is about how you take care of them and thank you for the compliment JM.
 

spaceinvaders

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Hi chaps,
planted 2 easyryders they are 3 days old now and check out how one of them is looking, its like its deformed (on the right in the pic)
what ya reckon should i worry? never had this before!
 

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FullDuplex

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Really?
Wow... Thats a lot for the autos huh? You have what strain again?
so actually... your fert sched helps figure things out a little... but it also confuese me more... because... the little tiny bit o nutes I put on went right to lock-out conditions... and yet ur running way higher concentrations than i did... hmmm strain must def be a factor... what soil u using again... your'e not us FFOF are you?
Yeah i know your mix was smaller than mine but at the same time i am introducing it at soil only levels
you are airborne as well as soil. As far as the strains i am running i am running ICU#2 and BadBetty.
not your typical OTC auto seeds :) I can tell you the stains have a good bit to do with this
they are beasts. And my soil is my own mix all started from scratch :)
 

John Mondello

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icu STANDS FOR? AND THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE INFO AND TIPS MAN! WHEW! i DEF GOOTAA GET SOME BAD BETTY AND icu@2 GENETICS ROLLING.... MMMMM HMMMM

CAN'T WAIT TO START MAKING MY OWN SOIL.... MAYBE I SHOULD RENT SOME STORAGE SPACE AND MAKE ROOM IN MY LVIING ROOM SO I CAN GET THAT SHIT REFINED BY THIS SPRING... :)
BTW... YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME FOR THE COMPLIMENT MY FRIEND... YOU'VE ERANED IT!
 

John Mondello

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btw... now that I know how to +rep... I've got some catchin up t do boys... so if you see a few +Reps that seem odd for a post... its only cuz I owe ya Big time gents!

btw teflon... just didn't want to miss this point but... drying out for the last part is typical.... though sometimes its hard to get flushed soon enough to have dry out time.... but i guess ultimately it just boils down to how hard you flush ... as you get to know each strain you'll be able to adjust better an better to best match the plants timing...

J
 

harry larry

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Hey guys! Thanks for the great advice. And a special thanks to FD, Im glad you pointed out not to use MG perlite, that is what I origanally had. FYI mixing soil is hard work!
BTW, I am interested in finding out more about using an airstone to oxygenate water. I am going to send a message to an old professor to see what he has to tell me about the subject. I plan to ask about the total oxygen holding capicity of water at various temps, and the rate that O2 disperses from water. He is fairly brilliant, can't wait to see what info I can gleen from him. If anyone has any questions they would add, just speak up!
 
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