The Art of The Auto

day 2 of 12/12 and iv bought trays to space them out a bit

mossys said:

budolskie..
I couldn't tell from the photos..
BUT..
IF you look at the male...
it is smaller than the surrounding Ladies...
Most males will be slightly Larger and faster growing than the girls..
so..
the Chances are..your male Was AF.

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here is a better pic of what i thought was the male

Not really an auto question.
A few posts back I put some picturs up and because of a mistake I had to prune quite a few dried leaves. Are these leaves usful for anything? Making a tea? Os is the THC content zero? They certainly smell nice

43Hitman..
Always hear good of Sagamatha..but never had the pleasure of growing any.

budolskie..Love the overhead shots m8..lovely girls.
Best guess says you are right on the male..
Did you win owt on that bet..?

Are these leaves usful for anything?

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If they smell nice I would keep them..
dry and store in a sealed jar or freeze them.
When you have 2 ounces..leaf..
I have the Easiest recipie for canna vodka that you will ever find.

It works a Treat.

Have a great weekend everyone.....

Great Thread! I just came into some Joint Doctor LR#2 beans so I am trying to absorb all of the AF information I can.

FullDuplex, perhaps you could summarize the key points to a successful AF grow. I plan to re-read this thread in more detail this weekend but, after 33 pages, some of the minute details tend to get lost.

I read through this thread and here is what I've found, so far:

1. Use larger pots even with the smaller plants. I've some 3gal. pots (I think they are).

2. I haven't yet decided whether to start them in one of those domed, Jiffy All in One Seed Starter Mini Greenhouses and then move the seedling/peat pellet combo or the wet paper towel germination and then place them in the final pot. Have you found if one method works better then the other?

3. 18/6 light schedule through the whole grow. I read through the entire thread several days ago and I apologize if you already covered this but - do you have any advice as to the particular light spectrum? I read in another thread: "6500k for vegging and when you start seeing buds/white hairs switch to the 2700k". Would you concur?

4. Get some decent soil. I'll be going down to the hydro store tomorrow. Previously you said, "Always remember when mixing soil if you think that there is enough perlite in the soil add two cups more, these plants love light soil." I’ve seen some other soil recipes online here. Would you recommend some of these or go with the popular brands like Foxfarm or Roots Organic. If going store-bought, would you recommend adding more Perlite?

5. Is a fan as important (for stalk strength) as in taller plants with the shorter AF strains?

Again, thank you for this thread and sharing your knowledge. I love this place!!!

Yeah, a truly great thread. Thanks!

I have a question, maybe a dumb one:

Is it sacrilege to top an auto?

mossys said:

Did you win owt on that bet..?


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na did a shite haha milan and arsenal on wednesday and sampdoria last night just might tomorow soccer saturday

Hello i just wanted to say great thread and info on here. Im glad you all are holding the keep a good vibe thing because there is nothing worse that the auto downers who seem to come on our auto threads just to dispute everything. I am in the middle of moving to central east coast and as soon as the house is situated i can set up my grow room again. I have a few auto strains i have made and cant wait to share them with you. My personal favorite is amnesia haxe x nyc diesel x lowryder. Grows seed to bud in 90 days + or - usually + a height of 49" and yeilds 4 to 5 oz. I grow in 5 gal pots lol. Took 14 different breedings n crosses n back crosses to have a good comprimise and also cut flowering down to something acceptable. Cant wait to share. Awesome thread guys

mossys said:

If they smell nice I would keep them..
dry and store in a sealed jar or freeze them.
When you have 2 ounces..leaf..
I have the Easiest recipie for canna vodka that you will ever find.

It works a Treat.

Have a great weekend everyone.....

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Okay, I am waiting oN that recipie sir......

2oz of leaves, CHK
Dried and Frozen<(1wk so far..) CHK

My autos have started to flower ! It is exactly 27 days old and has stted getting white hairs I am on 24 hour lighting at the moment. DO I keep that or change it? Also its a very short plant(I did LST it). Will it grow taller now its flowering? I have put pictures of it up in previous posts. Very bushy plant but very short. Would love to get an ounze of it. Relalistic or not?

Most autos like some kind of dark period. I had mine in the veg area which was 20/4, then i move them into the flower cab for the last few weeks.

Most anything will stretch a little bit in flower, but the more sativa the pheno the more it's going to stretch. There are AF phenos that are very "Low", no pun intended. lol It's all a waiting game now.

Bh.

I started planting Oct. 1st. I planted 4 one of witch was female. I have been planting 2 or 3 every other week or so since I started. I am growing under CFLs on a 24/0 light schedule, in soil with organic fertilizer.Here are recent picks of my 5 week old female, her two little sisters at 3 weeks and three more seedlings around 10 days old

back shortly to yap..
But..
I will post the

SIMPLEST EVER CANNA VODKA/TINCTURE RECIPIE.

2 ounces of dried LEAF.
1 ltr vodka.


Rough chop the leaf...
put in a wide necked jar.

Cover with vodka...(or Spirit of choice..38% proof or above.)

Stick it in the FREEZER...
and shake vigorously every day...FOR 5 DAYS ONLY.

(remember the jar will be slippery when frozen..)

Strain it through a TEA-TOWEL...one of the non-fluffy ones.
WRING the cloth out....get all the goodness out of the remains.

Put into a Clean jar..

Leave to settle for a couple of days.

IF you are desperate..and can't wait for it to settle...

Strain again through a COFFEE FILTER..and drink.

MED USERS...
a Shot glass of this..20-30 ml per DAY..
.
sipped throughout the day does wonders...

and because of the difference in the high and duration...
I Think you could Work throught it...

something to think of if you cannot be safe Smoking your meds...

When planted indoors, the Lowryder has the ability to grow very well in soil-less systems or in soil mixtures. For soil mixtures such as pots or beds, Lowryder can be cultivated from a mere seed into a bud for a span of only two months.
Throughout this period, only 18 hours of light each day is recommended. This is due to the fact that switching the light cycles down to 12 hours runs the risk of diminishing yields and even shortening the plants life cycle even more.
Since Lowryder&#8217;s life cycle is brief, cloning it is deemed as an impractical method - growing only the plant and not the seed. Hence, by default, the Lowryder is then regarded as a &#8220;sea of green&#8217;s greatest choice&#8221;.
Due to the fact that the seedlings and even the flowering plants can be sustained in a similar room, the Lowryder showcases better possibilities for small up to medium ranged home growers. This even includes the so-called &#8220;staggering&#8221; of one&#8217;s indoor harvest. After which, a continuous system of harvest can be accomplished by periodically cultivating new plants that will replace the harvested ones.
This will ensure that your so-called &#8220;grow room&#8221; is constantly full of fresh buds. Hence, maintaining this system of cultivation provides you with the convenience of evenly dividing your workload.
In order to achieve the best results, place either a jiffy plant or pellet directly into a 1 up to 2-gallon pot. It is best to alternatively use peat pots that are about four inches in size. Once this is prepared, you can then place the rootbound females inside the assigned plant bed. Make sure that these rootbound females have already gone through the &#8220;sexing&#8221; phase for about 17 up to 20 days. As compared to the initial method, this actually produces smaller plants. Under this method also, 12 up to 24 hours of daily light are needed. However, studies show that it is best to make use of 18 hours each day. You can reduce it to 16 hours following the initial month, provided that there are no yields being lost.
For those who will plant this outdoors, once you have finished soaking the plant, you can start by sowing it directly onto the soil. For this process, you can use 2 gallon plant beds or pots. It is also indicated that you can plant the Lowryder&#8217;s new stands until the latter part of the summer season. Similar to the factors affecting indoor harvest, doing the latter can also assure you a continuous supply of Lowryders. Aside from this, it is best to avoid making any transplants. You can only do this once the plants are diagnosed as rootbound. Thus, you can remove the Rouge males only during a three-week cycle.
Factors that Affect its Growth
Since the Lowryder is highly versatile, it has the capability to grow in basically any type of &#8220;grow environment&#8221; or climate. In fact, it can even set the regarded &#8220;envelope of growing&#8221; aside and mainly focus on harvest areas like the North West Territories, Finland and other short-seasoned, Northern or high altitude locations. Plus, it can adapt rather fairly to window sills, backyard gardens, and patios. This is primarily due to its relatively small feature that can conceal its real identity.
Furthermore, nothing can compare to the quick maturation capability of the Lowryder! If other varieties are still going through the flowering phase, outdoor growers of Lowryders are, at the same time, basking their feet and benefitting from their harvests already.
Its Amazing Characteristics
The Lowryder has the ability to skip the stage of vegetative growth. It basically jumps from its seedling stage towards its flowering period in an instant. Studies also show that
Lowryders have the shortest life cycle and height feature amongst the famous cannabis species.
This is especially true with its male plants that showcase such attributes after approximately 17 up to 20 days. This is while its female counterparts show themselves only a few days after. Thus, these plants will then go through the flowering phase, provided that there is a continuous lighting system.
Lowryder females can generate a height that is no taller than approximately 16 up to 20 inches. The typical height for these females would be about 12 up to 16 inches only. Pot size, light intensity and appropriate pH are factors that play a significant role in influencing the female Lowryder&#8217;s size during its maturity. This means that given the best conditions, these female Lowryders will generate a bigger yield for its growers. Since these plants produce a main cola, if they can only obtain adequate lighting, their lower nodes will profusely branch out.
Moreover, its height and yield will depend on evident growth factors. A good example would be such plants that are only kept inside small-sized peat cups, which are then placed on a grower&#8217;s windowsill. Based from the factors mentioned above, this scenario will yield a mere 1 gram. Plus, the plant will grow only up to a maximum of 6 inches, having no branching features whatsoever. On the other hand, a plant placed inside a 4-gallon box and provided with high-intensity lighting, along with good methods of cultivation being put into practice, it can yield better results. It will yield a 45-gram, profusely branched, two-foot wide bud monster.
With regards to the use of fertilizer, during the initial two-week period of growth, Lowryders need to be provided with a weekly dose of light feedings. This is actually a nutrient &#8220;grow&#8221; type solution, equipped with micronutrients. Thus, when these plants become a full flower, a &#8220;blooming regime&#8221; is necessary. This should start from week 4 up to week 6. Hence, biological amendments or root stimulators that are of the Mycorise-type have the ability to significantly enhance the plant&#8217;s growth.
The Flowering Time Average

Outdoors: ripens in approximately 60 days &#8211; This is subsequent to the sowing of the seeds.
Indoors: 40 up to 45 days &#8211; This is following a seedling stage of 15 up to 20 days.
As an important note, studies show that 100% of such plants actually showcase the so-called &#8220;auto-flowering&#8221; genotype.
Its Average Height
The average height of Lowryders is approximately 12 inches. Its minimum height would be approximately 5 inches while its maximum height would be 16 inches. Thus, this will really depend on the lighting and regarded slight phenotype variants.
The Awaited Yield
As mentioned, depending on the lighting and other significant factors, Lowryders can yield up to approximately 45 grams. In fact, there was even one situation where in a 96-gram yield was accomplished. However, this was achieved under a process called &#8220;hydroponics&#8221;.
Hence, it is vital to understand that the yield is extremely and majorly dependent on the volume of light it obtains. If these plants are provided with less than the average conditions, they will remain extremely small. Even so, they can still create decent smoke outputs.
Moreover, Lowryders&#8217; buds are close-quartered and compact, as well as slightly variable and irregular in features. It also has a high leaf/bud ratio, which goes with its thick pistils that possesses a medium-sized, orange colored and individually classified calyxes. Although it has tendencies to become &#8220;top-heavy&#8221; when grown indoors, it is rather typical to find its budding sites starting very near the soil already.
With regards to the result, you will get a &#8220;High&#8221; that feels uplifting, surprisingly strong and well-rounded. In fact, this is more appropriate for certain outdoor activities. Aside from this, the smoke emitted is described by many as smooth and equipped with an earthy, pleasant undertone. You will find its smell as not that overpowering and its flavor, quite unique and satisfying.

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Ooohhhwwww..that leads to an interesting thought given what we were talking about..
as I have acclimatised my girls to my natural outdoor weather conditions...
could it also have acclimatised them to Wanting higher calcium because it is what they are used to in the water over here....
mmmm..that has me mulling....

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This actually makes total since, like most things that adapt to their environment the off spring have a craving for the levels that it is used to. Making them demand cal/mag in a more concentrated form.

Remember the DC dominants that I was doing last..
the ones that Looked like mini DC...lookee-likeys....?

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Oh you bet i do
Cant wait to see what these will look like.
Things should be coming above dirt now ?

Anyway..I am happy as a sand-piper still..

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Sounds like you had a way better halloween than I
on the road for 8 hrs but i did have ALFie along so i was sparking under the harvest moon

I'm starting to get a funny hunch about paranoid bud...
or am I just paranoid..
and I wondering..
when did you take your Bud-wider off....early..or late...?

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Well i took them in two stages. Took the two smaller ones at 58 days
this was the cup challenge girl and the one that was about the same size in the larger pot.

Then i took the last girl at 68 days. She was in the large pot and was BUSHY
One solid bud from top to bottom and bigger than my fist.

Now this is where the fun comes in
The first two were a heavy head high, it was more dominate with milky trichs
There was about 4-5% amber when i chopped. I had no paranoia on either of these

NOW the last girl was different. She was close to a 50/50 mix i looked and there were very few trichs that were clear
id say about 3% clear rest were milky going amber or amber, nice pepsi color to them. This was the beast that brought in the paranoia
Like i said last time, there were a few times that i had to remind my self to keep it grounded lol

But the high was outstanding, came in fast and liked to hang around for a few hours.

See what you think of ALF#3..
gotta say this is a Very prolific/tested cross and no-one has picked paranoia up in her..
which leads me to think that it is the DC in the cross that may have triggered a match/magnification...
so it will be good to hear what you think.

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This stuff is no joke, i havent had a bit of paranoia at all. Nice tantalizing high to be honest.
Opens the blood flow as well as ease a great bit of pain. This stuff has great expansion
Gets the blood flowing, i have had issues in the past where smoking intensifies cold,
not the case here keeps me nice and toasty on these cold nights.

SICC";4845210]Yeah I got 5 clones flowering said:

we NEED an AF Specific grow book...

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i agree

FD..we really need to talk through the sudden appearance of non-af af's...
Can't think it can be an AF reversion..or surely I would have seen it by now.
Can't be linked to one breeder..because they are coming from different seed sites..
and I can't say they are coming from a bad breeder..
because although they are not what they say on the packet..
they are all Good crosses...
so someone has done a lot of ground work...

ODD..no...?.....

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I find this a bit odd, as well as a little alarming its almost become an epidemic. There have been several people talking about them as well as ending up with them.
I know that Nirvana pulled there stock and made a things right for the people that got them.

I think by now if the gene was fleeting that you would have seen it especially in the mass germs that you do, yet every one of yours as well as everything i have grown starts to show at THE exact same time. I have yet to force one to flower.

I almost have to think that it comes back to the breeder a little bit. Seeing the new demand for these and wanting to get good genetics into an auto flower form. The research is there as well as the genetics, but the auto flower trait is lacking.

I think that when crossing the AF to the photo period they are not inbreeding for the auto trait all the way. They'll cross it enough to start to see a few auto traits and then roll it to the line. Also it could be that in the search for the auto trait as well as the recessive trait that really carries the higher level of THC as well as Med effect. The nature of the auto comes from a hemp line. Thats what bears the auto trait, and most of your photo breeders are looking for the more recessive traits to produce a higher level of med effect. So i could see where the conflicting breeding mentalities are causing these semi and non autos. Almost as if they have not been worked enough to get the balance of the auto and the med effect.

But i have a few other theories i want to mull over

I have wondered if small yields actually increase potency...
certainly my Cold/off-season grows seem to produce the Sweetest bud of the season.

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Interesting it will be nice to see if this does the same with me when this seeded female is done

Gotta try an incense pheno..if you are a med patient..
OR..
A RED pheno if you are a toker...

I've done a lot of Med research....
and they are The Two Viagra effect buds.....
for BOTH of you.....
(Increased circulation..Increased Nerve sensation....)

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This explains SO much

Scrooge said:

Great Thread! I just came into some Joint Doctor LR#2 beans so I am trying to absorb all of the AF information I can.

FullDuplex, perhaps you could summarize the key points to a successful AF grow. I plan to re-read this thread in more detail this weekend but, after 33 pages, some of the minute details tend to get lost.

I read through this thread and here is what I've found, so far:

1. Use larger pots even with the smaller plants. I've some 3gal. pots (I think they are).

2. I haven't yet decided whether to start them in one of those domed, Jiffy All in One Seed Starter Mini Greenhouses and then move the seedling/peat pellet combo or the wet paper towel germination and then place them in the final pot. Have you found if one method works better then the other?

3. 18/6 light schedule through the whole grow. I read through the entire thread several days ago and I apologize if you already covered this but - do you have any advice as to the particular light spectrum? I read in another thread: "6500k for vegging and when you start seeing buds/white hairs switch to the 2700k". Would you concur?

4. Get some decent soil. I'll be going down to the hydro store tomorrow. Previously you said, "Always remember when mixing soil if you think that there is enough perlite in the soil add two cups more, these plants love light soil." I’ve seen some other soil recipes online here. Would you recommend some of these or go with the popular brands like Foxfarm or Roots Organic. If going store-bought, would you recommend adding more Perlite?

5. Is a fan as important (for stalk strength) as in taller plants with the shorter AF strains?

Again, thank you for this thread and sharing your knowledge. I love this place!!!

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Thank you sir and ill answer you this evening when i get in front of my other machine. Im on the road and all of this reading while the computer is bouncing is making me a little nauseous time to get out some ALFie

Glad you are on the return journey..

Making them demand cal/mag in a more concentrated form

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Definite something to watch...
We need a good deficiency photo...so we know what we are looking for..
I'm not likely to see it here..

Sounds like you had a way better halloween than I
on the road for 8 hrs but i did have ALFie along so i was sparking under the harvest moon

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Ha ha..I had a Cracker....
Until you come back with your results on the DC...
someone in this house is banned from using it..
(it's Mine..all mine......)
so I have been making a pig of myself.

NOW the last girl was different. She was close to a 50/50 mix i looked and there were very few trichs that were clear
id say about 3% clear rest were milky going amber or amber, nice pepsi color to them. This was the beast that brought in the paranoia

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That was my nasty hunch.
I smoke my Afghans on 5-10% amber normally..
But..
I kept the girls going longer than normal so I could show you could all see the ambering under the microscope..
and they are the phenos that are causing the trouble...

But the high was outstanding, came in fast and liked to hang around for a few hours

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Yup..
I am Fine on them..
and I am getting exceptional med relief..
(muscle spasm reduction is about the best I have ever had...
thinking this has something to do with the canna vodka working it's magic too...)

But the other person here is Very sensitive to paranoid bud.
(It brings on massive Nagging spasms....ooohhhh....ear-ache all day long....)

I find this a bit odd, as well as a little alarming its almost become an epidemic

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Big bit odd.
Obviously AF's haven't been around for generations..so we cannot say we know everything
that they Might do..
But..
a reversion seems so genetically Implausible..

My immediate thoughts were breeder error..
but they are all from different seed sites..
And..
that fault couldn't have been missed in a pre-sale test grow..
it is so big...
the test growers would have to be blind as well.

I have a thought..
I think the ones I have seen have been feminised lines...
something going wrong is the selfing..?
but..
again..test grows would have shown it up.

But i have a few other theories i want to mull over

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Aye..I think we need to bat it about a bit.

This explains SO much

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I'm not even gonna ask..
But..I assume that is why you have been smiling a lot lately....

Safe journey m8.

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Glad you are on the return journey..

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Me too. Its been a long week.

We need a good deficiency photo...so we know what we are looking for..

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I have a few i have to round them up. It started showing in the early stages of my cup grow and early. Like not even 2 weeks in

Until you come back with your results on the DC...
someone in this house is banned from using it..
(it's Mine..all mine......)
so I have been making a pig of myself.

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Which DC ? in one of the crosses?
and i take it someone is super paranoid on it?

I kept the girls going longer than normal so I could show you the ambering under the microscope..
and they are the phenos that are causing the trouble.

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I see it as a good trouble, this is what care taker likes the best. And i can tell you alf is all mine. Got to share with lady d but thats about it.

On a neat experience, this week i met up with a few med guys. one of them being from cali, i was able to share a rather nice treat with each of them, and mossy..both have been to Amsterdam and i received the compliment, "this is as smooth as what i was smoking in holland." All i could do was smile best part was they didnt know it was under my watch Cant give away all my secrets now can i

I can do nothing but highly recommend getting LA Diva auto's. They have grown fantastically and both started flowering on the same day with 24 hour light. Very very impressed. gone to 18/6 light now. Is this best? They seem to of grown a lot in 6 hours dark! Will post some pics in a bit. Switching to flowering 250W CFL as well. Will start doing sensi grow 2 part flowering nutrients as well. (would also highly recommend sensi grow)
Leas are getting sticky!

I have a few i have to round them up. It started showing in the early stages of my cup grow and early. Like not even 2 weeks in

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Great...
more talks on the water when you get back.

Which DC ? in one of the crosses?
and i take it someone is super paranoid on it?

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The DC Lookee likeys...My favourites in that line.
And...someone in this house is super sensitive to it..
(maaan..what a shame...I'll have to smoke it all myself.)

And i can tell you alf is all mine. Got to share with lady d but thats about it.

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Hell..gotta love Lady D a lot to share ALFie....

.....

"this is as smooth as what i was smoking in holland."

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Makes my heart Proud m8..

Sound like a Great trip..