The Art of The Auto

Bighill

Bighill

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John Mondello said:
Actually, beleieve those are... but possibly grown from seed by them? cuz last I knew... mossy said they were out of his... and to look for purple mazaar as a secondary... he believed it to be a knockoff of his PJ's. Ultimatey, I'll pass this question to mossy, as its his deal and I dont want to upset anyone by mistakenly saying something I shouldn't.

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The JointDr JEMS are legit mossy genes. But they aren't worked by mossy nor does you buying a pack of those make mossy any coin. I would just wait for the release of MOSSYS' JEMS. Not the PJ's. They will be a legit line worked by THEE mossy!
 
FullDuplex

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mossys said:
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I am going to pull a Perfect DC..
looks and taste/effect..in minature..AF.
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Love to hear this one :) i think that will be an awesome auto especially if you can get the heavy trich trait to follow
the thought of little frosted trees excites me!
 
FullDuplex

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Bighill said:
The JointDr JEMS are legit mosy genes. But they aren't worked bu mossy nor does you buying a pack of those make mossy any coin. I would just wait for the release of MOSSYS' JEMS. Not the PJ's
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Exactly well put BH
It will be worth the wait i promise you guys that
 
nealcook420

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Its just a start...
I know that crossing two strains that are already out there isn't that much of a feat...
I'm going to add a Master Kush or Jack Herrer to it at the end of the outdoor grow season but for now I may cross the F4's with an ALF or Bad Betty.
Eventually I'll work it into something that fits my Preference.
I haven the room to grow photo strains along with my autos but I'd rather give all my lights and attention to my beloved autos.
I'll keep the photo strains for the outdoors, For now any how.
I was given a Jack Herer from greenhouse by a friend that got it as a freebie but I'm almost tempted to let it veg for 3 months then give her a 400watt HPS to herself, Of coarse I want to hit her with about three differant strains. Mossy's JEM would be the perfect auto to start off with but I'd like to hit her with a kush to start on my very own photo strain. I've done a few crosses with pur Afghan with my dad when I was younger but we never really got them were we wanted them before we would always start something else. Now he is helping with my #2 grow room, He has taken lead on the task of making more beans as our stock is getting pretty low.
Well enough with my rant, Its time for a joint...
 
John Mondello

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nealcook420 said:
Its just a start...
I know that crossing two strains that are already out there isn't that much of a feat...
I'm going to add a Master Kush or Jack Herrer to it at the end of the outdoor grow season but for now I may cross the F4's with an ALF or Bad Betty.
Eventually I'll work it into something that fits my Preference.
I haven the room to grow photo strains along with my autos but I'd rather give all my lights and attention to my beloved autos.
I'll keep the photo strains for the outdoors, For now any how.
I was given a Jack Herer from greenhouse by a friend that got it as a freebie but I'm almost tempted to let it veg for 3 months then give her a 400watt HPS to herself, Of coarse I want to hit her with about three differant strains. Mossy's JEM would be the perfect auto to start off with but I'd like to hit her with a kush to start on my very own photo strain. I've done a few crosses with pur Afghan with my dad when I was younger but we never really got them were we wanted them before we would always start something else. Now he is helping with my #2 grow room, He has taken lead on the task of making more beans as our stock is getting pretty low.
Well enough with my rant, Its time for a joint...
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Well thats a hella good start in my book! I too, want to cross a kush base with the autos... however, the one I have such affinity for is called Kona-Mist (I believe it is from the Californis Mist and Kona lines)... I want to cross it with Mossys' PJ's for an auto-kona-mist... Its a great smoke, great medicianl, and its THE BEST hands down for cooking as far as I'm concerned (thus far of course). so now, I want to re-package into an auto variety... and this, of course, is just a start as well... so many crosses I wanna make! soooooo many! Wish I could join ya for the jay... but I gotta run for now... I'll burn one later tho... promise! :)

:bigjoint: till then...
 
Bighill

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I think one of my ICU's is an albino.. i'll give it a week, then post some pics for you guys to see. Too strange it's almost white, while the others beside it are green and good to go.. Soo strange.

I thought i burnt them some how, but only this one is doing it.. White cotlydons too.

Been a slow germ on those ALF's.. Only have 4 so far, the 5th should break dirt this evening.. I'm used to 48 hours beeing normal.
 
John Mondello

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Bighill said:
I think one of my ICU's is an albino.. i'll give it a week, then post some pics for you guys to see. Too strange it's almost white, while the others beside it are green and good to go.. Soo strange.

I thought i burnt them some how, but only this one is doing it.. White cotlydons too.

Been a slow germ on those ALF's.. Only have 4 so far, the 5th should break dirt this evening.. I'm used to 48 hours beeing normal.
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Hope you can extract the albino genetics... thats cool shit!
 
FullDuplex

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So i have been doing some thinking

Currently i have one cross going that is already full on AF and the offspring will be the same. However some of you know about the few crosses i am working on and i have some food for thought. I was reading a few articles on breeding as well as the home growers manual i have at the house on how to grow indoors. they talk about how to pull the best med effect from a strain. Things to look for traits and such.

One thing that they mentioned was the fact that the drug (or med benefits) are known to be a recessive gene. With that mentioned they said that when breeding for high effect they look for the males as well as females that show sex last. They said that the faster the sow of sex the more hemp dom the plant is and the slower contains the highest of med effects.

We all know that we deal with autos, plants that deal with the trait to show sex fast and finish early. To the typical mindset this would seem like a potent AF would not be capable of creating due to it genetic heritage. The thing is that we have come so far along in the world of AF's working to breed away form the low potency issue that i think that its right around the bend on a big break through.

So what i was thinking and i need some input on. We now have a world of genetics to play with in the AF gene pool. From people crossing and crossing looking for what they want in an AF. I think that there has been enough variety out there as well as breeding going on that we can start looking at autos the same way.

i have had enough to say that i could see varying times in which the males start to show as well as the females. I think that with all the crossing going on that these guys are starting to show the same ideals for recessive traits as long season girls.
So i am beginning to wonder if this would assist in making a more potent auto. This is something that i am going to be testing with my already auto plants, as well as when i do my AF rolls. Find the fastest showing female but the longest showing male. I think that i may have a meld in the middle and produce a stronger plant.
This is just an idea i have formed over all the reading i have done.

Any thoughts?
 
nealcook420

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Can plants be Albino?
I guess it sounds possible but wouldn't they still have a little color?
It would be sweet if it is possible to extract the Albino genetic, That would deffenty sell itself.
 
Bighill

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Yeah john if it stays that way. As long as it isn't a bullshit pheno it'll get sexed up :D

Any info i have dug up on albinos isn't all good. They are suposed to smoke very nice since there is little chloraphyl. That lack of chloraphyl is what hampers them, i read alot don't make it very long. There are some crazy pics of a white widow albino if you google it.

I thought it might just be deffienct or there was maybe a lump of sheep shit in there. Usually when that happens the leaves get crispy.. This one is still healthy in that regard. Plus this is pretty much just straight Promix i started them in. So there shouldn't be any emendments to F shit up.

I'll post some pics for you guys later tonight when i have a moment, after work. Get some more minds on it..

I think it could be though, it has the pink pale stalk that albino seedlings have.. Can't wait to see what happens. :D
 
nealcook420

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FullDuplex said:
So i have been doing some thinking

Currently i have one cross going that is already full on AF and the offspring will be the same. However some of you know about the few crosses i am working on and i have some food for thought. I was reading a few articles on breeding as well as the home growers manual i have at the house on how to grow indoors. they talk about how to pull the best med effect from a strain. Things to look for traits and such.

One thing that they mentioned was the fact that the drug (or med benefits) are known to be a recessive gene. With that mentioned they said that when breeding for high effect they look for the males as well as females that show sex last. They said that the faster the sow of sex the more hemp dom the plant is and the slower contains the highest of med effects.

We all know that we deal with autos, plants that deal with the trait to show sex fast and finish early. To the typical mindset this would seem like a potent AF would not be capable of creating due to it genetic heritage. The thing is that we have come so far along in the world of AF's working to breed away form the low potency issue that i think that its right around the bend on a big break through.

So what i was thinking and i need some input on. We now have a world of genetics to play with in the AF gene pool. From people crossing and crossing looking for what they want in an AF. I think that there has been enough variety out there as well as breeding going on that we can start looking at autos the same way.

i have had enough to say that i could see varying times in which the males start to show as well as the females. I think that with all the crossing going on that these guys are starting to show the same ideals for recessive traits as long season girls.
So i am beginning to wonder if this would assist in making a more potent auto. This is something that i am going to be testing with my already auto plants, as well as when i do my AF rolls. Find the fastest showing female but the longest showing male. I think that i may have a meld in the middle and produce a stronger plant.
This is just an idea i have formed over all the reading i have done.

Any thoughts?
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I have been picking females that show sex at the 6th-7th node because they are always bigger I didn't know I was picking more potent plants as well.
If that is the case then the ALF#3 should be really potent because she showed sex way later then the others, She showed at the 7th node.

When I go to breed her offspring I should do away with the earlier sexing plants and look for the later showers to keep the more potent genetics and then the same every time I make more seeds? Am I getting this right?

I look at it this way... The longer the plant gets to grow the more bud it will make.
 
Harry Bald Sack

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FullDuplex said:
So i have been doing some thinking

Currently i have one cross going that is already full on AF and the offspring will be the same. However some of you know about the few crosses i am working on and i have some food for thought. I was reading a few articles on breeding as well as the home growers manual i have at the house on how to grow indoors. they talk about how to pull the best med effect from a strain. Things to look for traits and such.

One thing that they mentioned was the fact that the drug (or med benefits) are known to be a recessive gene. With that mentioned they said that when breeding for high effect they look for the males as well as females that show sex last. They said that the faster the sow of sex the more hemp dom the plant is and the slower contains the highest of med effects.

We all know that we deal with autos, plants that deal with the trait to show sex fast and finish early. To the typical mindset this would seem like a potent AF would not be capable of creating due to it genetic heritage. The thing is that we have come so far along in the world of AF's working to breed away form the low potency issue that i think that its right around the bend on a big break through.

So what i was thinking and i need some input on. We now have a world of genetics to play with in the AF gene pool. From people crossing and crossing looking for what they want in an AF. I think that there has been enough variety out there as well as breeding going on that we can start looking at autos the same way.

i have had enough to say that i could see varying times in which the males start to show as well as the females. I think that with all the crossing going on that these guys are starting to show the same ideals for recessive traits as long season girls.
So i am beginning to wonder if this would assist in making a more potent auto. This is something that i am going to be testing with my already auto plants, as well as when i do my AF rolls. Find the fastest showing female but the longest showing male. I think that i may have a meld in the middle and produce a stronger plant.
This is just an idea i have formed over all the reading i have done.

Any thoughts?
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Interesting theory and I hope it holds true with the auto's. This could be a huge break through if so.

Bighill said:
Soem thing for you guys before i have to go, albino weeds pics from google.






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I just googled some albinos and man are they SAAAWEEEEET!


Ok I have a question guys. My doublediesel is really starting to kick in to flower mode. I would really like for the side branches to stretch a little more. I still have her under my 5100k CFL. So should I keep her under the 5100k for a little while longer or should I replace the bulb with 2700k now? Will she continue to stretch under 2700k?
 
FullDuplex

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nealcook420 said:
I have been picking females that show sex at the 6th-7th node because they are always bigger I didn't know I was picking more potent plants as well.
If that is the case then the ALF#3 should be really potent because she showed sex way later then the others, She showed at the 7th node.

When I go to breed her offspring I should do away with the earlier sexing plants and look for the later showers to keep the more potent genetics and then the same every time I make more seeds? Am I getting this right?

I look at it this way... The longer the plant gets to grow the more bud it will make.
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Thats the way that i take what i am reading. Seems that the med effects are berried in the recessive genetics. So if the ALF didnt show late i feel that it will have 2 things. Its size as well as it potency.

I feel that were are breeding further and further away from the original rudy genetics and bringing in more of other strains. I think that we are starting to isolate the auto gene with out bringing over the low potency factor. If your ALF didnt show until that late to me it says that yes it has retained the auto factor BUT has more to offer, like size and potency. It was your alf and the few others i have that got me thinking into this and made me dig for info.

So i say if you continue your selection based on when sexed as well as size we may be starting into a new era of autos. Plants that are full size and bud under any light condition of 12+ hrs and have a kick in the ass high. I can tell you this my versions of ALF handed me my tail. i figure that yours will wipe the floor with you.

So i say on the next seed runs that you throw out the fast sexing ones and search for the female and male that auto but not till a later point and well see where this goes. Im going to start this with my psiren run in a few weeks.
 
nealcook420

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FullDuplex said:
Thats the way that i take what i am reading. Seems that the med effects are berried in the recessive genetics. So if the ALF didnt show late i feel that it will have 2 things. Its size as well as it potency.

I feel that were are breeding further and further away from the original rudy genetics and bringing in more of other strains. I think that we are starting to isolate the auto gene with out bringing over the low potency factor. If your ALF didnt show until that late to me it says that yes it has retained the auto factor BUT has more to offer, like size and potency. It was your alf and the few others i have that got me thinking into this and made me dig for info.

So i say if you continue your selection based on when sexed as well as size we may be starting into a new era of autos. Plants that are full size and bud under any light condition of 12+ hrs and have a kick in the ass high. I can tell you this my versions of ALF handed me my tail. i figure that yours will wipe the floor with you.

So i say on the next seed runs that you throw out the fast sexing ones and search for the female and male that auto but not till a later point and well see where this goes. Im going to start this with my psiren run in a few weeks.
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Great, I'm glad that I seeded the big ALF with late flowering JEM male but the ALF male I pollenated a branch with was an earlier flowering male
We'll have to keep each other and everyone else updated as we progress...
 
FullDuplex

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nealcook420 said:
Great, I'm glad that I seeded the big ALF with late flowering JEM male but the ALF male I pollenated a branch with was an earlier flowering male
We'll have to keep each other and everyone else updated as we progress...
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exactly, i really am starting to think that with all the crossing the other over looked traits and being passed up.
Kinda like the info on terps and things of that nature. Its the finer traits of a plant that can really produce a stunner.
 
FullDuplex

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on a side not Neal
remember mossy talking about the ALF being the best he knows to make the pure DC mini.
i think that there is more to that that just the crossing ability.
Mossy is going to use the ALF to bring the auto trait to the DC line making the pure DC auto.
I think that if there is any chance to my theory the ALF would be the key.
Look at the pheno you have there, shes big tough and gonna be a producer. BUT SHE IS ALL AUTO
I feel that plant has a strong isolation of the auto genetic and would be a great mom for bringing in just the auto to a line
 
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