Thanks To 'Fight For $15' Minimum Wage, McDonald's Unveils Job-Replacing Self-Service Kiosks

st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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churchhaze said:
Despite all the talk about poverty, we're the fattest country. We don't know real poverty in the US.
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Obesity is not a good metric for measuring poverty. A lot of poor people are overweight due to scarcity/affordability of healthier food options. Detroit is a great example. Good luck finding a grocery store, let alone one that carries unprocessed, healthy food items.
 
squarepush3r

squarepush3r

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st0wandgrow said:
Obesity is not a good metric for measuring poverty. A lot of poor people are overweight due to scarcity/affordability of healthier food options. Detroit is a great example. Good luck finding a grocery store, let alone one that carries unprocessed, healthy food items.
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how about rice, oats or potatoes. Those are dirt cheap and practically impossible to get fat on.
 
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churchhaze

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Fogdog said:
Agree with you about the status of poor people in the US being better than that of the poor throughout much of history. The US isn't tops in today's world for how it treats its poor. We are pretty shitty compared to other industrialized western countries.

That said, tech is a mixed blessing for the poor. Some are displaced from jobs and other's jobs are improved by tech. The condition of the poor along with everybody else in our society is driven by increases in productivity, much of which comes from implementing new tech or better ways of using existing tech. This is not an equal distribution of improving conditions. For the past 50 years or so, the wealthy have seen out sized gains in their condition compared to the lower third of incomes in this country who have declined in social economic status during the same interval. For example, a blue collar worker 50 years ago could raise a family on his salary alone. For most of today's working poor, that is not possible today.

While I agree with you in concept that it's an overall good that people are freed from menial labor by tech, the fact of how people are faring on the lower end of the income distribution say otherwise. This is not to say we should all go back to pulling our own carts. I'm just saying that we haven't been growing equitably for a long time and the differences are starting to crack the society apart. I was hoping to see a shift away from past trends in income disparity but with the advent of Trump's administration I don't think so.
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I just can't see how technology is at fault for poor distribution of wealth. I don't have any solutions for that (just because I don't know), but you can't fault technology for a divide in social status.
 
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churchhaze

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st0wandgrow said:
A lot of poor people are overweight due to scarcity/affordability of healthier food options. Detroit is a great example. Good luck finding a grocery store, let alone one that carries unprocessed, healthy food items.
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I hear this a lot and I disagree. You gain weight because you intake more calories than you burn.
 
RickyBobby26

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Justin-case said:
Great points, unfortunately guys like @RickyBobby26 don't notice or become emotional until robots are serving his burgers/taking his job.
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If you'd stop and think, you'd realize my post was not supportive of robots taking people's jobs. I simply posted a link to a credible article on the negative impacts of a $15 minimum wage. The fact that I agree with its overall (but not total) premise is inconsequential.
 
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twostrokenut

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UncleBuck said:
start with denmark.

min wage there is about $20 an hour, as opposed to our $7.25 (2.75 times as much).

their big big mac costs $5.15 to our $4.80 (7% more).

good luck finding something "truthy" to explain that one away, boy.
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Let's take a look at the real numbers for Denmark then.
Assume the claim is true, McD's employees (over 18)make over $20 per hour. An exchange rate of 6 kronor per usd that puts them at 120 kronor per hr. They have a standard 33 hr work week so that's 3960 kronor per week @50 weeks per year thats 198 kronor a year.

That's about $33k a year compared to the US McD's employee earning about 15098 a year.
Take home pay after taxes?

$15098 per year in the US.........
-pays 0 federal income tax
-$936 SS tax
-$219 medicare
take home total 13,943

198k kronor per year in Denmark...............
-15840 kronor Gross Labour Market Contribution
-9095 kronor Post deduction at bottom bracket tax rate
-40092 Municipal income and Church tax
-1080 kronor SS(ATP in Denmark)
take home total 131893 kronor, about $21,982 US

It looks great on paper if you stop here and thats what all you libtards do to push your agenda, stop right the fuck here and leave it out just like Australia, which fails before here because OZ pays teenagers far below minimum wage and Denmark still pays $15 hour min if you're under 18.

Fact is the $21,982 US buys a lot less in Denmark than it does here in the States because the cost of living is way higher just like Australia.........
-Basic Utilities are 49% higher than US, clothing is 75%-100% more
-Shoes are 77% more than the USA
-Cars are 250% more expensive
-Milk is 22% more
-major indices...consumer prices are 38.08% higher and rent is 26% higher than the states
-resturaunt prices are acutally 85% higher in Denmark than the US(I know you thought McD's was a resturaunt lol)
-Groceries are 13% higher than the US
So lets have a real conversation about it. How many McMeals can a McD's worker afford to buy in each country Denmark vs ohh-ess-ahhh?
Denmark $21982 net income at $10.91 per McCombo is 2015 meals.
USA $13943 net income at $6 per McCombo is 2324 meals.

USA wins by 15%

And our fucking BicMac is still cheaper, usually 2 for 5 for indie sammiches.
And the kronor is like 1/10 exchange with the usd right now so its way worse than this example from 2015.


Boy.
 
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MrStickyScissors

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McDonald's can afford to pay their employees over 15 an hour. The fact that they want to pay 10.00 shows how greedy they are and why you should not trust what there food is made out of
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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SneekyNinja said:
It will temporarily, but by increasing it you're devaluing it because there's more money to purchase from the same supply pool.

Minimum wage should be pegged to inflation rather than using it as a campaign device with an arbitrarily high $$$ value attached.
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Sigh, its a start I guess; might I suggest using more accurate inflation measurements than the busted ass CPI at least?

Like.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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MrStickyScissors said:
McDonald's can afford to pay their employees over 15 an hour. The fact that they want to pay 10.00 shows how greedy they are and why you should not trust what there food is made out of
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But Keynesians want to negate the "law of the jungle" though. Then they want to eat a class of people, which is exactly the law of the jungle. Nothing personal I just find the irony amusing.
 
UncleBuck

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RickyBobby26 said:
McD's totally sucks. Salt + fat + salt + fat + sugar + sugar. And you gotta fucking pay MONEY to eat it. They outta have to pay people to eat their trashy food.
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by the looks of it, you're one of their best customers.

and employees.

we've seen your fat belly, even covered in sweatshirts and sweatpants.
 
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