Hypocrisy Thy Name Is Union - Unions Demand Exemption From LA's $15 Minimum Wage

UncleBuck · Jun 6, 2015

ginwilly said:
@UncleBuck

Where'd you go man? I've never known you to give up on a troll before. You are doing so well too. Please come back!

sorry, got a little high there and just wandered around my gardens.

anyhoo, i'd still like you to explain the origins of your belief in this neck down evolution theory.

i assume that because you have been preaching this theory for year on rollitup an pocketfives, you can easily explain to me why it is a good theory, even though it is popular with white supremacists like david duke and jared taylor.

i mean, that latter part is pretty damning.

nevermind that your theory comes from a book written by nicholas wade called "a troublesome inheritance", which was ranked as the most influential work of "scientific" racism to date, even though th science he cited has been ejected by those who actually did it.

The most newsworthy reaction to the book has just come from the genetic sciences community, in the form of an open letter signed by (as of this writing) 143 senior biologists and geneticists from around the world, decrying what they say is Wade's "misappropriation of research from our field to support arguments about differences among human societies."

They write: "Wade juxtaposes an incomplete and inaccurate account of our research on human genetic differences with speculation that recent natural selection has led to worldwide differences in I.Q. test results, political institutions and economic development. We reject Wade’s implication that our findings substantiate his guesswork. They do not."

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-huge-scientific-protest-20140812-column.html#page=1

why have you gone on about this theory for years?

ginwilly · Jun 6, 2015

UncleBuck said:
sorry, got a little high there and just wandered around my gardens.

anyhoo, i'd still like you to explain the origins of your belief in this neck down evolution theory.

i assume that because you have been preaching this theory for year on rollitup an pocketfives, you can easily explain to me why it is a good theory, even though it is popular with white supremacists like david duke and jared taylor.

i mean, that latter part is pretty damning.

nevermind that your theory comes from a book written by nicholas wade called "a troublesome inheritance", which was ranked as the most influential work of "scientific" racism to date, even though th science he cited has been ejected by those who actually did it.

The most newsworthy reaction to the book has just come from the genetic sciences community, in the form of an open letter signed by (as of this writing) 143 senior biologists and geneticists from around the world, decrying what they say is Wade's "misappropriation of research from our field to support arguments about differences among human societies."

They write: "Wade juxtaposes an incomplete and inaccurate account of our research on human genetic differences with speculation that recent natural selection has led to worldwide differences in I.Q. test results, political institutions and economic development. We reject Wade’s implication that our findings substantiate his guesswork. They do not."

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-huge-scientific-protest-20140812-column.html#page=1

why have you gone on about this theory for years?

I love you man :hug:

Aeroknow · Jun 6, 2015

UncleBuck said:
i wouldn't give an estimate of $100 to hang an exterior door in a shitty home. so his claim of an estimate for a $100 exterior door in a freakin' hospital is beyond all belief.

If the bid was $100 to install the one-piece frame, I can sort of see it. It's about rite. I've set 100's of frames, hanging the actuall door itself is easy. Setting the frame is pretty easy for us professionals also.
We shoot the door frame in place. Frame around it, insuring it is plumb, level and square, and than the shitrockers have to put a plumb-bob or laser :-)

on it when shitrocking around it. $100 bucks? Pretty good deal ;-)

But I would bid a little more fo show

UncleBuck · Jun 6, 2015

Aeroknow said:
If the bid was $100 to install the one-piece frame, I can sort of see it. It's about rite. I've set 100's of frames, hanging the actuall door itself is easy. Setting the frame is pretty easy for us professionals also.
We shoot the door frame in place. Frame around it, insuring it is plumb, level and square, and than the shitrockers have to put a plumb-bob or laser on it when shitrocking around it. $100 bucks? Pretty good deal But I would bid a little more fo show

i was thinking of something like this...

rather than this...

my last landlord tried to charge me $400 something dollars for hanging an exterior back door, saying i damaged his old, mold ridden, 30 year old POS door. he didn't plan on the neighbors testifying on my behalf though, and he never saved a single receipt. kinda backfired on him, he ended up having to pay me double damages, so his own inflated estimate came back and bit him in the ass.

good times.

Aeroknow · Jun 6, 2015

UncleBuck said:
i was thinking of something like this...

rather than this...

my last landlord tried to charge me $400 something dollars for hanging an exterior back door, saying i damaged his old, mold ridden, 30 year old POS door. he didn't plan on the neighbors testifying on my behalf though, and he never saved a single receipt. kinda backfired on him, he ended up having to pay me double damages, so his own inflated estimate came back and bit him in the ass.

good times.

Yeah, that first pic is either a 1,3, or 7 pc. frame. Most likely a 1 pc.
We install them pretty quick like.

UncleBuck · Jun 6, 2015

Aeroknow said:
Yeah, that first pic is either a 1,3, or 7 pc. frame. Most likely a 1 pc.
We install them pretty quick like.

i imagine you could probably even hang it faster than it would take me to chisel out the hinges and drill for the knob and locks on a blank slate type of exterior door.

Aeroknow · Jun 6, 2015

UncleBuck said:
i imagine you could probably even hang it faster than it would take me to chisel out the hinges and drill for the knob and locks on a blank slate type of exterior door.

Exactly

panhead · Jun 6, 2015

Red1966 said:
Hint: Rebar

Hint , we covered what architects & tradesmen call approved alternate material lists for all materials on the project allready .

Hint , approved alternate material lists supplied by architect along with prints & scope of work had to included the different rebar the contractor used .

Hint , if the contractor was paid in full after using another rebar & saving $500 grand the rebar he did use had to of been an approved alternate material or the contractor woulda lost his performance bond, along with his last completion of work payment of 20% , but as you said they were paid in full & its because their estimator was a sharp cookie & saved a fat wad using the approved alternate rebar.

Hint , major projects like the bldg you work in have independent quality inspection agencys hired by the GC to watch the work being done , each trade has its own inspector , the inspector in charge of testing concrete strengths & rebar quality woulda noticed a different material the 1st workday , its highly unlikely the general contractor & independent inspection agencys just didnt see something as massive as the rebar , superintendents walk the job everyday & woulda made the contractor demolish any sub par work or material not on the list of approved alternates, the rebar example is laughable when you know what a site looks like right before pouring starts , its a jungle of rebar , not something you can just sneak in .

If you knew about construction you'd know that if any material was used in error without being on the approved alternate list the General Contractor would not have been able to get the permit of occupancy needed from city planners before they could turn the bldg over to your company bldg owner, substandard rebar or lighter tensile strength rebar woulda changed load bearing capacity & weakened structural integrity of the entire building ,inspectors or GC are allways watching & woulda stopped the use of any non approved material before it became permenant to the structural integrity of the bldg , these are all facts , if improper tensil strength rebar was used city planners would never issue a occupancy permit .

Rebar & hospital cost over runs fully debunked as examples of unions being bad .

Next .

panhead · Jun 6, 2015

Aeroknow said:
Yeah, that first pic is either a 1,3, or 7 pc. frame. Most likely a 1 pc.
We install them pretty quick like.

The labor to install those double steel doors shouldnt be too bad being its just a hammer drill & some fasteners , the material cost for those doors is usually about $400 a door , add in frame & hardware & your right about a grand , im doubting a contractor approved to build a hospital woulda bid $100 for a $1,200 set of doors & thats not including any electrical work & push panels if the doors are handicap capable doors used in hospitals .

Its nice when we know were bashing every last anti union comment about construction labor costs cause we know wtf were talking about , isnt it , i cant help but laugh at the beating being served up to the scabs :mrgreen:

Red1966 · Jun 7, 2015

panhead said:
Hint , we covered what architects & tradesmen call approved alternate material lists for all materials on the project allready .

Hint , approved alternate material lists supplied by architect along with prints & scope of work had to included the different rebar the contractor used .

Hint , if the contractor was paid in full after using another rebar & saving $500 grand the rebar he did use had to of been an approved alternate material or the contractor woulda lost his performance bond, along with his last completion of work payment of 20% , but as you said they were paid in full & its because their estimator was a sharp cookie & saved a fat wad using the approved alternate rebar.

Hint , major projects like the bldg you work in have independent quality inspection agencys hired by the GC to watch the work being done , each trade has its own inspector , the inspector in charge of testing concrete strengths & rebar quality woulda noticed a different material the 1st workday , its highly unlikely the general contractor & independent inspection agencys just didnt see something as massive as the rebar , superintendents walk the job everyday & woulda made the contractor demolish any sub par work or material not on the list of approved alternates, the rebar example is laughable when you know what a site looks like right before pouring starts , its a jungle of rebar , not something you can just sneak in .

If you knew about construction you'd know that if any material was used in error without being on the approved alternate list the General Contractor would not have been able to get the permit of occupancy needed from city planners before they could turn the bldg over to your company bldg owner, substandard rebar or lighter tensile strength rebar woulda changed load bearing capacity & weakened structural integrity of the entire building ,inspectors or GC are allways watching & woulda stopped the use of any non approved material before it became permenant to the structural integrity of the bldg , these are all facts , if improper tensil strength rebar was used city planners would never issue a occupancy permit .

Rebar & hospital cost over runs fully debunked as examples of unions being bad .

Next .

So, once again, your reply is "it didn't happen". This was a project funded by the NSF, not subject to local oversight, and actually given "fast track" approval by city council and the mayor. The spec for stainless steel rebar had nothing to do with "improper tensil strength". Note I never said anything negative about the union workers on the jobsite, that is a knee-jerk reaction on your part while you are in full defensive mode.

panhead · Jun 7, 2015

Red1966 said:
So, once again, your reply is "it didn't happen". This was a project funded by the NSF, not subject to local oversight, and actually given "fast track" approval by city council and the mayor. The spec for stainless steel rebar had nothing to do with "improper tensil strength". Note I never said anything negative about the union workers on the jobsite, that is a knee-jerk reaction on your part while you are in full defensive mode.

None of that amounts to a hill of beans , fast tracked or not concrete strengths are allways tested & rebar is allways checked to assure its corrosion resistance to the exact concrete mix , magnetic & non magnetic concrete also come into play on bldgs with sensitive computers or hospital equipment , rebar isnt some simple bldg material you can just swap with some shit laying around .

Your just babbling about rebar being changed for some nefarious reason of the contractor putting extra cash in his pocket , none of which makes sense to anybody in the commercial & industrial bldg trades .

I havent been in defensive mode one time in this thread, ive been in fact mode .

Red1966 · Jun 7, 2015

panhead said:
None of that amounts to a hill of beans , fast tracked or not concrete strengths are allways tested & rebar is allways checked to assure its corrosion resistance to the exact concrete mix , magnetic & non magnetic concrete also come into play on bldgs with sensitive computers or hospital equipment , rebar isnt some simple bldg material you can just swap with some shit laying around .

Your just babbling about rebar being changed for some nefarious reason of the contractor putting extra cash in his pocket , none of which makes sense to anybody in the commercial & industrial bldg trades .

I havent been in defensive mode one time in this thread, ive been in fact mode .

No point in having a conversation with anyone who denies anything anyone says because he "knows better".

panhead · Jun 7, 2015

Red1966 said:
No point in having a conversation with anyone who denies anything anyone says because he "knows better".

I never denied you work in a bldg where the rodbusters used different rebar than originally spec'd , you exaggerated the truth to imply union related theft by the contractor responsible for the material change , you then implied worker sloth as the reason behind cost over runs on a hospital that was supposed to get $100 doors & ended up with $1,400 doors .

You implied worker ignorance with your claims of newly ordered hospital equipment not fitting in the rooms because " Nobody took the time to measure " .

I gave you facts that crushed your standing point where worker sloth , greed & ignorance caused the issues you chose as examples , facts vs rehetoric facts allways win , i have no need to deny anything i just state facts .

Red1966 · Jun 8, 2015

panhead said:
I never denied you work in a bldg where the rodbusters used different rebar than originally spec'd , you exaggerated the truth to imply union related theft by the contractor responsible for the material change , you then implied worker sloth as the reason behind cost over runs on a hospital that was supposed to get $100 doors & ended up with $1,400 doors .

You implied worker ignorance with your claims of newly ordered hospital equipment not fitting in the rooms because " Nobody took the time to measure " .

I gave you facts that crushed your standing point where worker sloth , greed & ignorance caused the issues you chose as examples , facts vs rehetoric facts allways win , i have no need to deny anything i just state facts .

I never implied any of those things. Like I said, full defensive mode. You gave me what you claim was your experience, then claimed my experience didn't happen. You think your experience somehow proves mine didn't happen. That's not "facts". Pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so defensive they distort your statements into something else entirely.

panhead · Jun 8, 2015

ChesusRice · Jun 8, 2015

Red1966 said:
No point in having a conversation with anyone who denies anything anyone says because he "knows better".

No point in trying to have a conversation with you. You are always full of shit

panhead · Jun 8, 2015

Red1966 said:
I never implied any of those things. Like I said, full defensive mode. You gave me what you claim was your experience, then claimed my experience didn't happen. You think your experience somehow proves mine didn't happen. That's not "facts". Pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so defensive they distort your statements into something else entirely.

Ok Red, if your claims of cost over runs , worker sloth & stupidity ( not taking time to measure ) & a contractor using a different rebar & saving $500k were not meant to imply union theft , mismanagement, sloth & ignorance what is the point of your posts i missed .

You posted those examples in an anti union thread so tell me what your point was if it wasnt to imply wrongdoing, sloth & theft related to union construction ?

So tell me what experience you had that i claimed didnt happen & at the same time tell me how i misconstrued the nature of your posts .

Red1966 · Jun 8, 2015

panhead said:
Ok Red, if your claims of cost over runs , worker sloth & stupidity ( not taking time to measure ) & a contractor using a different rebar & saving $500k were not meant to imply union theft , mismanagement, sloth & ignorance what is the point of your posts i missed .

You posted those examples in an anti union thread so tell me what your point was if it wasnt to imply wrongdoing, sloth & theft related to union construction ?

So tell me what experience you had that i claimed didnt happen & at the same time tell me how i misconstrued the nature of your posts .

Well for one, I never said shit about "worker sloth & stupidity" or"union theft , mismanagement, sloth & ignorance". That is all in your own mind. Like I said, "Pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so defensive they distort your statements into something else entirely."

ChesusRice · Jun 8, 2015

Red1966 said:
Well for one, I never said shit about "worker sloth & stupidity" or"union theft , mismanagement, sloth & ignorance". That is all in your own mind. Like I said, "Pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so defensive they distort your statements into something else entirely."

Yeah likeep no way your racist statements over the years implies you are a racist

panhead · Jun 8, 2015

Red1966 said:
Well for one, I never said shit about "worker sloth & stupidity" or"union theft , mismanagement, sloth & ignorance". That is all in your own mind. Like I said, "Pointless to have a conversation with someone who is so defensive they distort your statements into something else entirely."

Worst dodge ever !

If you werent trying to finger unions as bad guys wtf was your reasoning for posting the example you gave in an anti union thread ? Simple question .

The reason you cant have a conversation is because you never had a clue wtf you were talking about .

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