Testing Hans panel: 56watt Cree xp-e/ Lumiled rebel power==== Let's talk efficiency

Txchilies said:

It is truely odd to see the one plant thinning like that even after a little burn. After reading somemore on BM, and going back to Nirvana on this strain, it seems they have done something with the genetics to make this plant very needy to lumen output. I quote "We reccomend 6500 lumen per square foot at a minimum" with that being said and the fact that they also reccomend 18/6 for the entire growing period. I figure this is a strain truely suited for outdoor growing if done indoors more fitting to use 400 to 1000 HID.

It is definately not CFL friendly, as from what I can gather looking at yours they don't like the LED's witch is a shame. As I truely want to learn more about the LED's, and get away from CFL's as I will surely stay away from HID's. As for strains I will not be doing any autoflowers at least from Nirvana. Will have to do alot more research before I got there again.

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Yeah #1 is definitely having issues, tried all I know in correcting it and failed to improve her health.....I even cut off co2 for a couple of days now and nothing has changed.....I'm keeping her just too see what happens ..........can't blame the panel IMO, it's just a bad run...........thanks

PetFlora said:

PS, keep in mind that first gen seeds grown under different lighting (no matter which) will require a minimum of one grow to reboot genetically to the new light source. That said, I am no fan of autos thus far. SOG is an option

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I agree, but does this also completely include auto's???? ......IDK........ will go photo strain next without a doubt/ should have listen to my own concerns from the get go..

IlovePlants said:

And even then, you select the most dominant phenotype. They will always be slightly better hormonally suited do to epigenetic inheritance, as that is the nature of the beast. But environment doesn't determine genes, survival does. I'm breeding under leds, they still get light burn from too much blue in veg, but damn are they insane little buggers.

Soon the "babies,babies,babies" thread will be updated, as two of the AOXCW2 plants are ready for flowering, but that wont be for a week. From first hand experience though, there are always those plants that are just little fucking bastards, they just don't want to do shit. I realized how crazy I was for starting from such a genetically isolated pool. Turned out well though... Experience is what makes masters, dedication is just experience farming for people IRL.

By the way Psu. PM me about seeds.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

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Well #1 is beyond a runt IMO, their is something up with her..........will finish this through though and i'll definitely pm you

Chirulazo said:

looking goooooood heheh

BTW, the final weight of my stuff, was almost 70 grams. Very nice. Let' hope we keep taking it further

Good luck here looking nice

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Nice haul Chi..............and keep posting pics, would love to see what your up too

chazbolin said:

Interesting journal PsuaGro and reps for a full price purchase of one of Han's panels. You are trusted spirit pushing the boundaries of energy efficient and successful plant growth. BTW can you direct me to his site? I too suffer from CRS and don't see a link anywhere to it.

For 56 watts under 'tri-band' spectrums and this being an AF this is pretty much what I would have expected. Perhaps you'll be in a position to do a side by with a broad spectrum lamp type @ 100 watts and see how the next grow shapes up. I'd kick you one of my IG 100's if you're up for it just PM me and I'll make it happen. While it won't be an exact side by side since the Inda-Gro 100 will draw a bit more, I think it'll be worth doing because at a lot of levels and along the entire cycle the comparison results should be known. FYI I use the 100 for clones but I ran a single OG Kush flower in a single 5 gal bucket by keeping the canopy @ 12" from the lamp from week 9 on to finish. It can be done you just have to know the uMole counts.

Han's website and what he told you are apparently at odds in that the site says one panel will cover a 24" x 20" area but in an email he later recommends a adding a second panel. Perhaps my donating an IG 100 will prompt Han's into donating another panel for your next grow. Hey it can't hurt to ask right?

Txchillies: I would be suspicious of anyone listing a suggested lumen output for that strain. It is completely irrelevant to a plants photobiological requirements. If you have the proper PAR intensities and spectrums, as measured in the PFFD which would be far more appropriate information to manage the DLI it won't matter what lamp source you're using as long as the DLI saturation is met. That being said you should look for PAR readings, measured by a quantum meter, in the 200-300 uMoles at veg and 700+ uMoles @ flower. Growers should never reference a visual value like lumens which a standard photometer reads for the spectral sensitivity (the luminosity function) of human visual perception of brightness.

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Hey chaz, well the link is in my first post at the top to the info on this light..............to be fair to the panel I overvegged the plants and it became to much for it, had to confirm they wouldn't "auto" on their own and now has put me into a this position//sucks but that's what it is......Hans initially told me to go with two panels but I wasn't going to spend five hundred bucks on an unknown and I stupidly assumed the girls would have stayed small.....Hans and I don't communicate(I've emailed him numerous times) and the last email i got from him was when his panels would be back in stock(nice huh??), so I doubt he would give me a panel for free........But I'm willing to do a side by side with the ID100 vs Hans panel after I take a break from this grow/ Han's says one of his panels is equal to 100w hps so it should be a fair comparison.......and I'll be picking an interesting strain to match my environment/ space requirements. I have some orca scraps left over, so a partition is easy for it.....get back to me if interested..........thanks


DAY 60..........1&2.................ok put up the left over orca scraps I got from my buddy's room upgrade(not a fan of this stuff for the price/ glorified white paint)......will see if it helps..........that's it

........56 watt phase/ 12-12 for now/ no co2 for now/ and panel is on their chins............be safe and happy growing

chazbolin said:

Interesting journal PsuaGro and reps for a full price purchase of one of Han's panels. You are trusted spirit pushing the boundaries of energy efficient and successful plant growth. BTW can you direct me to his site? I too suffer from CRS and don't see a link anywhere to it.

For 56 watts under 'tri-band' spectrums and this being an AF this is pretty much what I would have expected. Perhaps you'll be in a position to do a side by with a broad spectrum lamp type @ 100 watts and see how the next grow shapes up. I'd kick you one of my IG 100's if you're up for it just PM me and I'll make it happen. While it won't be an exact side by side since the Inda-Gro 100 will draw a bit more, I think it'll be worth doing because at a lot of levels and along the entire cycle the comparison results should be known. FYI I use the 100 for clones but I ran a single OG Kush flower in a single 5 gal bucket by keeping the canopy @ 12" from the lamp from week 9 on to finish. It can be done you just have to know the uMole counts.

Han's website and what he told you are apparently at odds in that the site says one panel will cover a 24" x 20" area but in an email he later recommends a adding a second panel. Perhaps my donating an IG 100 will prompt Han's into donating another panel for your next grow. Hey it can't hurt to ask right?

Txchillies: I would be suspicious of anyone listing a suggested lumen output for that strain. It is completely irrelevant to a plants photobiological requirements. If you have the proper PAR intensities and spectrums, as measured in the PFFD which would be far more appropriate information to manage the DLI it won't matter what lamp source you're using as long as the DLI saturation is met. That being said you should look for PAR readings, measured by a quantum meter, in the 200-300 uMoles at veg and 700+ uMoles @ flower. Growers should never reference a visual value like lumens which a standard photometer reads for the spectral sensitivity (the luminosity function) of human visual perception of brightness.

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Chazbolin, thanks for the useful info. As I'm still learning about LED's and understand the spectural issues involved in growing. I was quoting what information I got from the Nirvana Help Desk when I questioned them in reference to their Blue Mystic "Autoflowers" after 6 weeks of vegging under 416 actual watts of CFL's in a 2' x 2' x 8'. All the while I had them at 20/4 in an 18 gal tote, using GH Floragrow, Bloom and Micro. That was the best responce I could get from Nirvana about their BM strain.

PSUAGRO, I went back through my photo's late last night, and yes I do have a couple plants like your #1. They started getting very open and airy by dropping their fan leaves, so I'm guessing you got one like a couple of mine that pretty much looked like they were dying off. However as flowering reall kicked in smaller leaves began to grow and more leaves appeared as tops began to stretch. So don't be to alarmed yet there is still hope. My biggest disappointment is in the size of the buds, they don't seem to be much larger than my thumb, but there are alot of them. As always they are lookin good and I'd be proud to have them in my garden!

Txchilies said:

PSUAGRO, I went back through my photo's late last night, and yes I do have a couple plants like your #1. They started getting very open and airy by dropping their fan leaves, so I'm guessing you got one like a couple of mine that pretty much looked like they were dying off. However as flowering reall kicked in smaller leaves began to grow and more leaves appeared as tops began to stretch. So don't be to alarmed yet there is still hope. My biggest disappointment is in the size of the buds, they don't seem to be much larger than my thumb, but there are alot of them. As always they are lookin good and I'd be proud to have them in my garden!

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Hey txchillies, really appreciate all the info you've given me about this strain........it's helped allot/ thank you friend(+rep).........and I'm not expecting much from my BM's either




Day 61 from germination..........1&2.............not impressed by either at this point........opened up #2 to get more light into the bottom of the canopy........both still dropping fan leaves and I'm not doing anything more to help them other than aerated water.............that's it

............56 watt phase/ started co2 again/ 21 days into flower for these bitchy "autos"................be safe and happy growing

Brother Psuagro This Is What I Would Do If I Were You.drink A Case Of Beer Then Go Dick Slap And Piss On Dem Nasty Bitches.Peace And Sir Richard Pumperloaf

The Dawg said:

Brother Psuagro This Is What I Would Do If I Were You.drink A Case Of Beer Then Go Dick Slap And Piss On Dem Nasty Bitches.Peace And Sir Richard Pumperloaf

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with a reminder to unplug the light first

As it happens I am using Hans' panel now. Note 2 Kosher Kush, as opposed to different spieces under Quantum Badboy and a bloomberg ufo - prosource led.
IMHO his panel is performing as well as any of the other lights. Needless to say, the Kush runs tall!

Hey Psu,
Clear a PM. A response is awaiting. Looking great so far, it seems as though these girls aren't quite bulking up, they're trying to turn into bushes. You could just use this as a little hash run. I've started hash plants in flowering a few weeks ago, hash is great for so many reasons. If you go for yield on the next run, just veg clones for about 12 days or so, lollipop, and throw them in. They want to rest on something. If the plant is a single cola it is very easy to rest all weight at center. If it's "Mainlined" the same thing happens, but if you just don't trim the burning bush, you're not going to get the absolute best results. Each new branch needs ballast to grow, it needs to strengthen it's base and branching, and uses additional nutrients to grow those branches away so the branch can reach light.Anyway I have an extremely dense, single cola, sea of green breed. It's all waiting in the PM if you would clear some of your inbox.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

The Dawg said:

Brother Psuagro This Is What I Would Do If I Were You.drink A Case Of Beer Then Go Dick Slap And Piss On Dem Nasty Bitches.Peace And Sir Richard Pumperloaf

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good advice.......

chazbolin said:

with a reminder to unplug the light first

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Also good advice.......

llewyn said:

As it happens I am using Hans' panel now. Note 2 Kosher Kush, as opposed to different spieces under Quantum Badboy and a bloomberg ufo - prosource led.View attachment 2276833
IMHO his panel is performing as well as any of the other lights. Needless to say, the Kush runs tall!

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Holy shit on those kushes..............did you use hans panel throught their cycle????? thanks

IlovePlants said:

Hey Psu,
Clear a PM. A response is awaiting. Looking great so far, it seems as though these girls aren't quite bulking up, they're trying to turn into bushes. You could just use this as a little hash run. I've started hash plants in flowering a few weeks ago, hash is great for so many reasons. If you go for yield on the next run, just veg clones for about 12 days or so, lollipop, and throw them in. They want to rest on something. If the plant is a single cola it is very easy to rest all weight at center. If it's "Mainlined" the same thing happens, but if you just don't trim the burning bush, you're not going to get the absolute best results. Each new branch needs ballast to grow, it needs to strengthen it's base and branching, and uses additional nutrients to grow those branches away so the branch can reach light.Anyway I have an extremely dense, single cola, sea of green breed. It's all waiting in the PM if you would clear some of your inbox.
Sincerely,
ILovePlants

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I agree with you........clones are the way to go, but I wanted to go from seed for this test. Wasn't going for yield, it was just for fun....my problem is i had to many firsts for me (leds/cocco/sealed summer run w candles/auto's lol)which contributed to my errors and overthinking this grow; I was told that with auto's the less you mess with them the better, so that was why they weren't manipulated in any way/blah......let's chalk it up as an experience......pm cleared and thanks friend


DAY 62..............1&2............#2 watered with just aerted tap and we continue on.............................be safe and happy growing

............56 watt phase/ 12-12/ 4hr co2 candle burn/ and that's it

Don't give up on them yet you can still get a pretty good yeild. Opening them up will definately help the lower buds develope. I went out to the Secret Garden this morning and cut the BM clone, she was done growin. What i thought was nute burn turns out to be the sign of being done.
This is what it started out as.
The finished product, not bad for the time period and they say you can't clone an Auto...LOL!

lookin really good man

The Dawg said:

Brother Psuagro This Is What I Would Do If I Were You.drink A Case Of Beer Then Go Dick Slap And Piss On Dem Nasty Bitches.Peace And Sir Richard Pumperloaf

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You forgot to vomit out the bukkake then lap it back up dawg, I can't keep reminding you of the fundamentals man...!!

Txchilies said:

Don't give up on them yet you can still get a pretty good yeild. Opening them up will definately help the lower buds develope. I went out to the Secret Garden this morning and cut the BM clone, she was done growin. What i thought was nute burn turns out to be the sign of being done.
View attachment 2277480 This is what it started out as.
View attachment 2277481 The finished product, not bad for the time period and they say you can't clone an Auto...LOL!

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Ha great experiment on that auto txchillies........still fucking with my head

DO3SHA said:

lookin really good man

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Thanks Doesha...........well see how they turn out

newworldicon said:

You forgot to vomit out the bukkake then lap it back up dawg, I can't keep reminding you of the fundamentals man...!!

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I don't know where to even begin with this............. wait "all of the characteristics of a dog except loyalty" <<<that sums it up quite nicely



DAY 63.........1&2...........nothing new..............both still dropping fan leaves and showing signs of overfert...........that's it

............56watt phase/ 12-12 auto shit/ 4hr co2 candle burn/ panel at ?? / 23rd day of flower and underdeveloped...........be safe and happy growing RIU.......

To any of you born in the 60's this will bring back some fond memories. If not enjoy with a bowl of your latest.

Featuring:

The new 'Black Knight' LED
Arthur: your plants under the Black Knight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690

the reflection material looks good in there, I'm sure it's helping some. is it too much to ask for a close up of the flowers next update? to me they are looking like they are coming along finally?

hi everyone, good thread this one always updating good job PSU.

To keep contributing to the subject, i wanted to show some of the new that is coming out of my closet using Hans' panels also.

Looking nice, so far, i'm totally satisfied with their performance.

Cheers everyone

Looks really dense and lollipop lickable!

'A spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down..!'

Great work over here PSUAGRO, keep it up!

Perhaps your candle is giving off more than just co2 with the fan leaves drooping. Who knows what they put in them these days..

puffenuff said:

the reflection material looks good in there, I'm sure it's helping some. is it too much to ask for a close up of the flowers next update? to me they are looking like they are coming along finally?

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Ask and you shall receive brother puff.......Orca is nice but the price makes it impractical compared to high level titanium dioxide flat white paint w fungicide added....to my eye it may have increased reflection by max 5%........not worth it IMO

mipainpatient said:

Great work over here PSUAGRO, keep it up!

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Thanks............hopefully the girls show me something positive in the next three weeks...

newworldicon said:

Perhaps your candle is giving off more than just co2 with the fan leaves drooping. Who knows what they put in them these days..

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Well I stopped the candles for six days and saw no improvement in their appearance......yep candles give off co/co2, ikea tealights are made of 100% beeswax/4hr burn, paraffin burns cleaner but it's pricier...........

@chilurazo......keep the pics coming/ buds look great!........ are you going to go full cycle with Hans panel on the next round??? or still sticking to the mh for veg???


DAY 64......................#1 .....and ............#2........Granted I might have fucked them up with my timer issue/ and those hermie pics in the dark...I still don't like them though............my rh is still through the roof (65-75+%!!) and the temps have been brutal........that's it

............all the same............be safe and happy growing