Roger A. Shrubber
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whose "we"...you say you want the "humane" option...is it humane to keep someone in a cage the rest of their lives, or does it just make you feel superior?
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CatHedral
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Consider the possibility of executing an innocent. I have a zero tolerance policy on this that exceeds my impulse toward hateful acts.
Also consider that USA criminal system is demonstrably racist. I do not want such a body to have the power of life and death. That way lies yet another atrocity different in scale but not type from the “final solution”.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i do NOT think racism is an issue in this case...not a lot of brown or black faces in the trumptard world...a few misled sheep, mostly there for show.
i do not like the idea of executing an innocent...but in my opinion, ANYONE who participated in 1/6 is no fucking "innocent"...and they deserve what they get
CatHedral
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I would need to see the courts being more thoughtful than what I think you’re saying. I do not want to see summary proceedings. They generate martyrs.
As far as the inequality of our penal system, it is directly germane to the question of the morality of execution.
doublejj
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CunningCanuk
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I thought jj’s post was just hyperbole.
Roger A. Shrubber
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no, everyone deserves due process, and a fair trial...but at the end of that trial, justice should be carried out.
and i do not deny that our legal system in far from equitable, minorities have gotten the short, shitty end of the stick for pretty much as long as we've had a legal system.
what i'm saying is that in this particular case, those aren't huge issues...this isn't a civil rights case, or even a discrimination case...no cop knelt on a trumptards neck and forced him or her to attend this coup attempt, they did it willingly, and they should all be punished accordingly...that gibbet THEY put up out front looks pretty appropriate to me
ttystikk
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You really breathe deeply of the bullshit the Koch smokers spew, don't you? You have no proof of any of those assertions because they're all wrong.
Roger A. Shrubber
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show me some proof, i can be swayed
i looked up everything i just said, didn't think one word of it up, want me to go back in my browser history and provide links?
Roger A. Shrubber
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https://www.railwayage.com/passenger/the-amtrak-era-is-over-its-time-for-a-replacement/
https://www.american-rails.com/decline.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/railroads-are-slashing-workers-cheered-on-by-wall-street-to-stay-profitable-amid-trumps-trade-war/2020/01/02/dc757ed4-1603-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html
https://www.tauntongazette.com/article/20131006/NEWS/310069844
" While the electric train is faster, it also is expected to produce fewer pollutants in the area of the train stations, where the locomotives are expected to be idling at different points throughout the day.
The report noted that “the pollutant increases from train locomotives are relatively small,” but “electric trains do not emit air pollutants and would not have any air quality impacts on receptor locations adjacent to the train stations.”
The report provided an analysis that shows 367 micrograms of carbon monoxide per cubic meter of air would be added by a diesel train in the area of a station during an average one-hour time period.
When it comes to another important greenhouse gas, diesel and electric alternatives result in comparable levels of carbon dioxide emissions. The electric powered train through the Stoughton route is expected to indirectly result in 74,482 tons per year of CO2 emissions, through power generation to provide electricity for the train. With the Stoughton electric alternative, the Army Corps of Engineers projected a total of 24,656,479 tons per year of CO2 emissions as a result of all transportation in the region, which is net 60,859 tons per year less than the so-called no build alternative, which would involve a rapid bus system, to get more cars off the road, the report said.
With a diesel train through the Stoughton route, 31,693 more tons of CO2 per year would be produced when compared with the electric train. This analysis factors in greater estimated time savings experienced with the faster electric train, which makes the alternative more attractive to riders. Nevertheless, the diesel train would result in 29,166 less tons of CO2 per year, when put up against the no build alternative."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/jul/16/electric-trains-diesel-green-carbon
https://www.azocleantech.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=262
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/electric-semi-truck-test-drive
https://missionfinancialservices.net/fully-electric-semi-trucks-the-future-of-trucking/
https://www.volvotrucks.us/innovation/electromobility/
i read all of that, and then wrote what i wrote based on it...show me where i was inaccurate? a couple of older studies said diesel trains only produced 20% more pollution than electric trains, but apparently newer tech has brought that up to 35%, which i said.
so no tyy, i don't listen to anyone to tell me what to think, i do my own research, and think my own thoughts...
https://www.american-rails.com/decline.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/railroads-are-slashing-workers-cheered-on-by-wall-street-to-stay-profitable-amid-trumps-trade-war/2020/01/02/dc757ed4-1603-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html
https://www.tauntongazette.com/article/20131006/NEWS/310069844
" While the electric train is faster, it also is expected to produce fewer pollutants in the area of the train stations, where the locomotives are expected to be idling at different points throughout the day.
The report noted that “the pollutant increases from train locomotives are relatively small,” but “electric trains do not emit air pollutants and would not have any air quality impacts on receptor locations adjacent to the train stations.”
The report provided an analysis that shows 367 micrograms of carbon monoxide per cubic meter of air would be added by a diesel train in the area of a station during an average one-hour time period.
When it comes to another important greenhouse gas, diesel and electric alternatives result in comparable levels of carbon dioxide emissions. The electric powered train through the Stoughton route is expected to indirectly result in 74,482 tons per year of CO2 emissions, through power generation to provide electricity for the train. With the Stoughton electric alternative, the Army Corps of Engineers projected a total of 24,656,479 tons per year of CO2 emissions as a result of all transportation in the region, which is net 60,859 tons per year less than the so-called no build alternative, which would involve a rapid bus system, to get more cars off the road, the report said.
With a diesel train through the Stoughton route, 31,693 more tons of CO2 per year would be produced when compared with the electric train. This analysis factors in greater estimated time savings experienced with the faster electric train, which makes the alternative more attractive to riders. Nevertheless, the diesel train would result in 29,166 less tons of CO2 per year, when put up against the no build alternative."
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/jul/16/electric-trains-diesel-green-carbon
https://www.azocleantech.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=262
https://www.inverse.com/innovation/electric-semi-truck-test-drive
https://missionfinancialservices.net/fully-electric-semi-trucks-the-future-of-trucking/
https://www.volvotrucks.us/innovation/electromobility/
i read all of that, and then wrote what i wrote based on it...show me where i was inaccurate? a couple of older studies said diesel trains only produced 20% more pollution than electric trains, but apparently newer tech has brought that up to 35%, which i said.
so no tyy, i don't listen to anyone to tell me what to think, i do my own research, and think my own thoughts...
CatHedral
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I suspect this analysis is based on producing the electricity from fossil fuel. The efficiency increment comes from an optimized fixed-base generator, running in steady state at the thermodynamic (Carnot) optimum.
Even with diesel-electric the Diesels cannot match a fixed generator for efficiency. What impresses me is that your numbers are so high even correcting for transmission losses.
Use non-fossil electricity (a difficult calculation because panels and turbines are not rated for carbon cost of manufacture and installation) and get probably much better numbers.
Roger A. Shrubber
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i said i could be swayed, that is a valid point...when someone presents a valid point, i can recognize it....
injinji
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Sadly they are workable examples of humans. We have always been clannish. Likely always will.
ttystikk
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So why do you have such a hard-on against electric rail? Lord knows it's well proven tech.
ttystikk
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One more point that seems to have been overlooked is that when decelerating, electric trains convert momentum back into electricity and then return it to the grid. Diesels also convert momentum into electricity but since there's no overhead wire, the energy goes to giant resistor coils on the roof and fans then blow the heat into the atmosphere. On flat land this may not amount to much outside of yard operations but here in mountainous Colorado we're talking substantial amounts of energy.
One final point; no technology is perfect and electric traction might not be the best choice for remote long distance lines. That said, the largest electric railway West of the Mississippi is in remote western Colorado and eastern Utah- and all it does is haul coal from the mine to the power plant.
Roger A. Shrubber
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because i think it's very limited, and people don't like it...you have to consider the user base...Amtrak fucked up in the 70s, and they still haven't recovered. and i think Railroads take up a lot of good land that could be used for much better purposes, and cause a lot of traffic problems in towns they have yards in. i lived in Fargo for years, and they are hated there, the track runs parallel to main avenue...to make a turn to the north, you have to go blocks out of your way to use an underpass to get past the track...the trains run right through the middle of the downtown area, they're noisy, they spew pollution, they come at all times of the day and night...now multiply that times the thousand of towns they run through the middle of...
and electric wouldn't be much better. a little less pollution... but just as much noise, just as much pain in the ass, and just as many people who don't take it as a serious alternative to getting to work, which it isn't...most people aren't happy having to walk from the bus stop to their jobs or homes, and there are bus stops every few blocks, train stations are miles apart...
subways and els are train systems, but they're out of the way, and have frequent stops. railroads are NOT out of the way, and they have infrequent stops...
Roger A. Shrubber
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they use that power generated when they slow down to get themselves moving again...it's no kind of net gain at all
ttystikk
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Of course it is! Diesels don't use that energy; it's just gone.
Can you show us where the bad train hurt you?
injinji
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Everything is different in Europe because the cities are so close together, and the rail system goes everywhere. But they are outlawing flights of less than two hours if there is a rail connection between the towns. The carbon footprint for the trip is 70 times more to fly than to take the train.