kaos.underwave
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yeah the cup rigging thing I can believe, but to be honest the genetics take priority over politics
SubCool vs Arjan
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w1ckedchowda
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Uhhm no.
Do some research.
The only reason Arjan is walking in those circles and we're talkin about him, is because shanti left him some strains and pretty much started a new company.
Arjan makes bobble head dolls out of himself while biting other people's hard earned work from breeding hundreds, maybe thousands of plants, then just adding "Greenhouse" in front of the strain.
I agree, but the strains are only dank because they were bred by other people.
Seriously, look at all the top shelf strains by Greenhouse and they are mostly created by other breeders or have been dank long before Greenhouse got involved.
All they do is throw some paint on these strains' seeds and label them "Greenhouse".
dangledo
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If any of this is the case, then any breeder is europe isnt any good. Those guys trade genetics, like pornstars trade std's. Arjans genetics are stable and high yielders. Ive grown their strains for many of years, with great results everytime. Although. I have never tasted anything else thats as good as jillybean, and j.t.r. grown in subcools organic soil recipe. simply fantastic. Cant go wrong with either really.
The only reason people have an opinion on arjan, is because he is really the only OWNER(hardly working) who advertises like he does. Do people really think he couldnt put up the cash for what he does, with out any decent genetics? Whatever the case between him and shanti was 2 decades ago, youd think one of two would have fallen off if they didnt know what they were doing. Great weed is only going to get so great. IMO, about every breeder, is basically using the same genetic heritage. and has at least one major contender.....
The only reason people have an opinion on arjan, is because he is really the only OWNER(hardly working) who advertises like he does. Do people really think he couldnt put up the cash for what he does, with out any decent genetics? Whatever the case between him and shanti was 2 decades ago, youd think one of two would have fallen off if they didnt know what they were doing. Great weed is only going to get so great. IMO, about every breeder, is basically using the same genetic heritage. and has at least one major contender.....
Drr
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First of all seeds are a genetic crapshoot.. I don't care who the breeder is.. it takes years to really stabelize a strain to have every seed pop the same pheno.. and I doubt that is even possible.. it's fucking genetics man.. don't tell me any of these breeders have a PHD in genetic biology??? if they do then i'll eat my words.. Also with hybrids(depending on how many times each strain has been crossed down the line) your gonna get a mixed variety.. some with mixed traits and some might come out exactly like the mother or exactly like the father.. you or the breeder have no way of knowing..
Also the environment and feeding will play a factor on weather the plant does good or not in your room.. that's why your getting mixed reviews..
the plants may not be used to the conditions in your room.. plain and simple.. a slight deficency of a secondary nute that you don't really catch.. alot of factors have to be taken into play when growing... PH, aeration, RH, temps.. etc.
I have read about arjan stealing strains and shatiba leaving and leaving some strains with him.. and he buys the cups by handing out his samples for free when you have to buy 90% of them.. on top of the marketing.. marketing in north america will make you buy something you don't need or even want...
Subcool the videos I seen looks to me like his strains are a bit fluffy.. but they look nice..
But in my eyes you can grab a pack of seeds from any breeder and you may end up with that one special lady that pops.. this is why regular seeds are king.. A GENETIC CRAP SHOOT... so stop aruging over who's a better breeder when you couldn't prove it if you tried... not in a millions years..
all in all you do get what you pay for in the end..
The funniest part is that people put a label on the seeds and everyone automatically believe that's what it's gonna be and every seed will be that exactly that strain... genetic crap shooooooooooooooooot
Also the environment and feeding will play a factor on weather the plant does good or not in your room.. that's why your getting mixed reviews..
the plants may not be used to the conditions in your room.. plain and simple.. a slight deficency of a secondary nute that you don't really catch.. alot of factors have to be taken into play when growing... PH, aeration, RH, temps.. etc.
I have read about arjan stealing strains and shatiba leaving and leaving some strains with him.. and he buys the cups by handing out his samples for free when you have to buy 90% of them.. on top of the marketing.. marketing in north america will make you buy something you don't need or even want...
Subcool the videos I seen looks to me like his strains are a bit fluffy.. but they look nice..
But in my eyes you can grab a pack of seeds from any breeder and you may end up with that one special lady that pops.. this is why regular seeds are king.. A GENETIC CRAP SHOOT... so stop aruging over who's a better breeder when you couldn't prove it if you tried... not in a millions years..
all in all you do get what you pay for in the end..
The funniest part is that people put a label on the seeds and everyone automatically believe that's what it's gonna be and every seed will be that exactly that strain... genetic crap shooooooooooooooooot
i agree ..popping beans is a genetic crap shoot. the more you pop though the more your odds are of getting a good pheno of what the plant is supposed to represent .
you have to start with good genetics from the start in order to increase your odds of getting that keeper.
you know i gotta try vortex..i cant help it..the shit looks radio active.
TGA Subcool Seeds Vortex
you have to start with good genetics from the start in order to increase your odds of getting that keeper.
you know i gotta try vortex..i cant help it..the shit looks radio active.
TGA Subcool Seeds Vortex
mared juwan
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Yea Vortex was my favorite TGA strain. Chernobyl was also excellent. But I can't argue with the crapshoot comments. I was following a couple Vortex journals here and expected the growers to be as blown away as I was but they weren't so IDK. All three of my Vortex females had the same dog poo hashy undertones and killer potency but that might have been luck of the draw. One of us would have to grow out a whole lot of seeds from both breeders in the same environment to know anything conclusively.
Fditty00
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Well, my 4 Kings kush out of the 11, that did germ. Seem to be suspended in time. 2 weeks, and their not movin. Stuck at a 1/4 inch. The Super Lemon they gave for free. Have been under paper towel for 4 days. NOTHIN!
My Sleestacks, 1 papaya, and a Power Kush are all 3" with nice 1st set of leaves. Ive been growin for years. Never tried GHS. Never will again. They fucked my 1000% batting average up! Ive germed crushed brick weed seeds. But this shit, this shit right here, this shit right here....Trash! Ill stick to buyin single seeds of stable, provin genetics and clone em.
My Sleestacks, 1 papaya, and a Power Kush are all 3" with nice 1st set of leaves. Ive been growin for years. Never tried GHS. Never will again. They fucked my 1000% batting average up! Ive germed crushed brick weed seeds. But this shit, this shit right here, this shit right here....Trash! Ill stick to buyin single seeds of stable, provin genetics and clone em.
Killing4theLord
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Someones not even reading. Just looking for any reason to hate on someone who's accomplished more than yourself. Live out of creation bro, Not reaction.
Ole Budheavy
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GOD Bless you Fditty, you rule for helping to expose the bullshit facade that is Greenhouse Seed Company.
I have no respect for a faker as Arjan is.
Shantibaba has the mother plants that Arjan claims are the original. He gives no reference as to who was the breeding genius behind greenhouse seeds; actually it was Shanti and Nevil Shoenmaker.
smppro
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Is it because they are clone only strains so there are no males to make regular seeds? That would be my guess.hey punk, one more thing.......
why is it that these "elite strains" that you are bragging about only come "feminized" lol ... what's up with that??
TGA alll the way
Dr. Greenhorn
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Yes, and wouldn't clone only be "luck of the draw?"
smppro
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I dont know, thats the whole point of a breeder, to spend years working with a strain to stabilize it, other wise they are just a seed maker. The more you breed plants with the traits you want the more uniform the seeds will be for that trait. Sure nothing is 100%, but i think they get as close as anybody expects.
Dr. Greenhorn
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Exactly!+rep
Dr. VonDank
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Interesting thread. I've meet Arjuna and talked a couple of times at the cups. Seems like a sincere person but I was a little disappointed this year with the cup and giving Greenhouse the win again with the SLH. IMO there was a couple strains better than SLH. I had a brief conversation a year ago with SUB on one of the forum threads here at RIU and he said he wouldn't do the HTCP because of the politics around the event. Maybe he was right--I don't know. I hate to be the one to bring in the negativity but I would say at least 90% of the numbers posted by breeders are false and have never been tested(THC/CBN/CBD). That with inflated yield numbers makes it hard for growers not to have animosity toward some breeders. Harbor-side uses a lab in CA and CO has an independent lab in CO(Full Spectrum Labs. Until a lab certifies the strain those numbers are only as good as the breeders reputation and track record. Growers don't want to be viewed by their peers and fellow growers as non competent to be able to grow maximum yields of potent dank so they in-turn sometimes post inflated yields as well. You can see where this is going.
dangledo
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splonewolf
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chimera has a degree in genetics btw
Dr. Greenhorn
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a degree in genetics huh. lol no disrespect meant at all but I gotta ask the question.... where did he get his degree from? lol
Fatty R Buckle
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I love subcool's JTR but, I also love GH bubba kush & El Nino.. Cant go wrong with any of those..
wannaquickee
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just ordered JTR im stoked been waiting awhile for this one