kevinpurpleksuh
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Hey anyone know of strains with no anxiety or panic or attack side effects?? I'd like to grow a few
Strains good for panic attacks?
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davillains
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better go with indicas
TurboTokes
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KEVIN!
kevinpurpleksuh
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What?
NanoGadget
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Find the purest indica you can. Afghans, most Kush based strains, gdp, blueberry... all good strains for the anxiety prone.
cookie stash
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OG Kush
whitebb2727
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You can smoke anything you want. The whole indica vs sativa thing is hog wash. I've had indica's freak me out worse than any sativa. I don't like the body throb from them.
What causes paranoia is early cut commercial weed. Any strain, indica or sativa, will be higher in THC earlier in flower. They have to properly ripen for other cannabinoids that counter the paranoia to develop. Cbd and other paranoia countering cannabinoids develops late flower.
Just make sure its not shitty early cut commercial weed.
What causes paranoia is early cut commercial weed. Any strain, indica or sativa, will be higher in THC earlier in flower. They have to properly ripen for other cannabinoids that counter the paranoia to develop. Cbd and other paranoia countering cannabinoids develops late flower.
Just make sure its not shitty early cut commercial weed.
ondoogyob
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You're 100% right about the sativa/indica bullshit. People have to stop spreading that myth. It's ridiculous.
whitebb2727
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THC by itself causes all kinds of side effects. It takes the other cannabinoids to round them out.
Lol. The worst buzz I ever had was from an indica.
I tend to like those long flowering sativas. The good ones. Long flowering ones. 16-20 weeks strains. Well ripened. Go open the fridge and stand there looking for 20 minutes.
ondoogyob
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Again...you're right. THC on its own is dysphoric, not euphoric. This search for higher and higher levels of THC is worrying.
<<Go open the fridge and stand there looking for 20 minutes.>> Classic old skool sign your weed's dialed in just right.
NanoGadget
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As someone who has grown both sativa and indica and always pushes for long flowering periods, and has diagnosed acute anxiety disorder (with a side of insomnia thrown in for good measure) I respectfully disagree. Companies that test cannabanoid profiles also back up a fundimental difference. The effects of the high have a lot to do with the ratio between THC-A and CBD as well as other cannabanoids. There are major differences in these ratios that are strain dependant and have very very little to do with early harvest. Of course harvesting early will exacerbate the problem, but the effects of a pure Kush will never be replicated by a land race sativa, I don't care if you flower it for a 20 weeks. One area where I will agree with you is that very high THC levels (primarily when coupled with very low levels of other cannabinoids) will typically be more likely to induce anxiety. CBD has been clinically shown to be the main player in anxiety reduction and wide leaf indica varietues consistently shows higher levels of CBD..
"The ratio of cannabinoids in a plant, the amount of THC compared to the amount of CBD, is determined by the genetics of the plant. These traits are carried from one generation to the next when cloning. The total amount of cannabinoid present in the plant, for example THC + CBD + other cannabinoids, is determined by the interaction of the genetics of the plant and its growing environment and is impacted by factors such as light intensity, day length and nutrient availability.
The research at University of Indiana and the Canadian Institute of Agriculture shows that using the location where the strain was historically developd is the most reliable way to predict if a strain will have the ability to produce low, moderate or high amounts of CBD. There are also some correlations to whether the strain is Indica or Sativa.
There are 3 types of THC:CBD ratios you will find for a cannabis plant:
Type 1: High THC, Low or No CBD
Type 2: Equal amounts of THC and CBD
Type 3: Low THC, High CBD
These 3 types can be assigned to general regions where the strains developed with these characteristics:
Type 1: Found South of 30 degrees North latitude
Type 2 and 3: Found North of 30 degrees North Latitude
The two cannabis species, Sativa and Indica are also characterized by where they originated:
Sativa: Europe, Asia Minor, Central Asia
Indica: Southern and Eastern Asia
Within the Indica species there are plants of different appearance. There are Narrow Leaf and Wide Leaf varietals:
Ø Narrow Leaf Indica Varieties are Type 1 cannabinoid producers, meaning they can produce a very high amount of THC and little to no CBD.
Ø Wide Leaf Indica Varieties are Type 2 and Type 3 cannabinoid producers, meaning they can produce high amounts of CBD or equal amounts to the THC produced."
whitebb2727
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I agree.
Doesn't make what I said wrong.
Its more the person than the plant.
Rm3 has been growing and using those old school sativas you are talking about to help people with PTSD.
The whole sativa vs indica thing is a blanket statement that doesn't hold true.
NanoGadget
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Of course it varies from person to person and plant to plant. I'd never argue for a one size fits all solution for anything. I'm just saying that wide leafy indicas almost always produce more CBD than narrow leaf indicas and sativas, and that typically higher CBD strains are way better for anxiety. If I had a loved one who told me they were prone to anxiety I'd never give them a high THC low CBD strain. And that is typically what sativas are. So to say this is a 'myth' is incorrect. If I hadn't discovered the benefits of wide leaf indica I'd still be taking shitty pills with shitty side effects.
NanoGadget
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And again, this is no disrespect to you. I've always seen you as a knowledgeable grower and a very level headed and helpful community member. 
whitebb2727
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No disrespect taken.And again, this is no disrespect to you. I've always seen you as a knowledgeable grower and a very level headed and helpful community member.
Its cool. I wouldn't have a problem giving a sativa to a person with anxiety.
I agree there are some heart pounding paranoia causing sativas out there. Most aren't.
I firmly believe that most panic and other side effects come from early cut weed.
I have yet to have a panic attack from weed I have grown. I make sure its done though.
NanoGadget
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I'm glad to hear it! Do you have a predisposition for anxiety though? I don't need a sativa for anxiety, my body does that all by itself. But a sativa, grown by myself or anyone else, cut early ot late, will make it much, much worse.
Tyleb173rd
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Jillybean
ondoogyob
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Just to clarify...the chemotypic expression of the phenotype is not what I was referring to as a myth (although, this is of limited value in the marketplace, given the level of hybridisation seen). The myth is that the phenotype determines the physiological outcome. This idea that indica="in da' couch" and sativa= uplifting and energising (qualities that may in fact be determined by terpenes, not CBD or THC) is the myth I was referring to. This is why we so sorely need good reliable clinical data.
Here's what Ethan Russo said (1 yr ago today) about this basic topic, in an interview..
CCR: Some users describe the psychoactive effects of Cannabis indica and sativa as being distinctive, even opposite. But are they really? Beyond self-reports from users, is there any hard evidence for pharmacologically different species of Cannabis?
Dr. Russo: There are biochemically distinct strains of Cannabis, but the sativa/indica distinction as commonly applied in the lay literature is total nonsense and an exercise in futility. One cannot in any way currently guess the biochemical content of a given Cannabis plant based on its height, branching, or leaf morphology. The degree of interbreeding/hybridization is such that only a biochemical assay tells a potential consumer or scientist what is really in the plant. It is essential that future commerce allows complete and accurate cannabinoid and terpenoid profiles to be available.
CCR: Sativa is often described as being uplifting and energetic, whereas indica as being relaxing and calming. Can you speculate on what could be the basis for these perceived differences?
Dr. Russo: We would all prefer simple nostrums to explain complex systems, but this is futile and even potentially dangerous in the context of a psychoactive drug such as Cannabis. Once again, it is necessary to quantify the biochemical components of a given Cannabis strain and correlate these with the observed effects in real patients. Beyond the increasing number of CBD predominant strains in recent years, almost all Cannabis on the market has been from high-THC strains. The differences in observed effects in Cannabis are then due to their terpenoid content, which is rarely assayed, let alone reported to potential consumers. The sedation of the so-called indica strains is falsely attributed to CBD content when, in fact, CBD is stimulating in low and moderate doses! Rather, sedation in most common Cannabis strains is attributable to their myrcene content, a monoterpene with a strongly sedative couch-lock effect that resembles a narcotic. In contrast, a high limonene content (common to citrus peels) will be uplifting on mood, while the presence of the relatively rare terpene in Cannabis, alpha-pinene, can effectively reduce or eliminate the short-term memory impairment classically induced by THC.2,8
CCR: How do you think one could address the sativa/indica dichotomy in a scientifically sound manner?
Dr. Russo: Since the taxonomists cannot agree, I would strongly encourage the scientific community, the press, and the public to abandon the sativa/indica nomenclature and rather insist that accurate biochemical assays on cannabinoid and terpenoid profiles be available for Cannabis in both the medical and recreational markets. Scientific accuracy and the public health demand no less than this.
http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/can.2015.29003.ebr