Stop complaining about fed crack downs!

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vradd

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heres an idea, maybe if shops didnt charge black market prices and tried to make a buck every which way possible, this wouldnt be happening. weed was supposed to be medical (its our right to know what is therapuetic to our bodies) BUT how can you claim compassionate help that these shops are claiming if they charge what pedro does at the corner? for all you that grow good weed and want top dollar for: im sure its well worth it and your hardwork *should* deserve to be paid back, BUT get over yourselves with that crap. you dont see minimum wage farm pickers bitching and gripping about what they get paid to harvest consumable foods that WE physically need to live so what makes you any different??? maybe if people would stop supporting shop prices and make a stand against that then things possibly could be in our favor, but nope greed is a helluva drug and the feds are catching on to how much money is being made on ignorance. i believe a big part of why weed is still frowned upon is because the growers are still expecting to make a killing in profits, when they could easily control the markets if they had common sense to the bigger picture and stopped looking after themselves. whats worse is the many growers on here who say they have stockpiles of the stuff and just let it sit because they wont get what they think its worth. again... im sure it is well worth if you have the chronic, but come on why not flood the market with quality so the prices dip down? actually, not sure how well that would work because then it would come back to the shops to keep those prices jacked up high so they make their profits. so i guess this comes down to the consumer giving in to pay these stupid prices that put lots of money into shop hands and ruin it for everyone else. i know everything we weed smokers do actually influences what the feds do, but we as people can stimulate and indirectly affect the influence of how things are being perceived. i for one am glad shops are getting closed, (not really i still sorta believe its not fair) but at the same time i see the bigger picture as to why they are doing it and in some weird way, believe its deserved to see how much money can influence negative acts and to show the ignorance of what compassion really is.

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obijohn

obijohn

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Whether I buy weed in the black market or from a dispensary, the price is the same. And most dispensaries have their product tested, you watch them weigh it out on the spot so you know you're not getting shorted, and the quality is more consistent. Joe pot dealer on the corner generally has one strain, most dispensaries have a wide variety of different strains with different effects, as well as edibles, tinctures, hash, clones, seeds and lots of other products, all in the same place

Dispensaries have an overhead, rent, utilities, employee salaries and lots of other costs that a black market dealer does not have. So IMO you're getting a bargain not having the prices higher. Before dispensaries, scoring weed was hit and miss, you couldn't get a hold of the dealer, or they were out. I love the fact I can run down to the local shop whenever I want something without all the hassle.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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vradd said:
Stop complaining about fed crack downs!
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No thank you. The Feds announced publicly they would leave 215 alone, many people went through a lot of trouble and expense to make their businesses legal based on the policy they'd be left alone if they conducted themselves as legal businesses. Now for no good reason they are going after these people who's only real crime is trying to obey the law to the best of their abilities. In a lot of cases the federal government is using people's desire to obey the law against them. That is wrong. So I'll keep complaining.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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vradd said:
heres an idea, maybe if shops didnt charge black market prices and tried to make a buck every which way possible, this wouldnt be happening
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In areas with a lot of dispensaries there has been a significant drop in bud prices. So be thanking them.

Also, most dispensaries aren't charging black market prices. Sure they'll have a few expensive strains as "top shelf" but most have decent quality bud on their mid shelf which is far superior to what black market dealers have at the same or lower prices. Usually you can get bud that's of equal quality, sometimes even better on mid shelf, it just doesn't have the same bag appeal.

Bag appeal is not a medical need. The dispensaries are under no obligation to give you cheap high bag appeal bud. If you buy weed because "OMFG look how purple it is!", that shit is on you.

If you don't like way dispensaries do business, open one yourself and do things differently.
 
d.s.m.

d.s.m.

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Dan Kone said:
Bag appeal is not a medical need. The dispensaries are under no obligation to give you cheap high bag appeal bud.
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It's funny about bag appeal. I'm happy as a clam smoking the extra stuff I trim off of buds just to give them bag appeal. Because it's the exact same smoke. And people always seem to want the bigger buds; the ones with the bigger stems inside. I still don't get that.
 
d.s.m.

d.s.m.

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vradd said:
heres an idea, maybe if shops didnt charge black market prices and tried to make a buck every which way possible, this wouldnt be happening. weed was supposed to be medical (its our right to know what is therapuetic to our bodies) BUT how can you claim compassionate help that these shops are claiming if they charge what pedro does at the corner? for all you that grow good weed and want top dollar for: im sure its well worth it and your hardwork *should* deserve to be paid back, BUT get over yourselves with that crap. you dont see minimum wage farm pickers bitching and gripping about what they get paid to harvest consumable foods that WE physically need to live so what makes you any different??? maybe if people would stop supporting shop prices and make a stand against that then things possibly could be in our favor, but nope greed is a helluva drug and the feds are catching on to how much money is being made on ignorance. i believe a big part of why weed is still frowned upon is because the growers are still expecting to make a killing in profits, when they could easily control the markets if they had common sense to the bigger picture and stopped looking after themselves. whats worse is the many growers on here who say they have stockpiles of the stuff and just let it sit because they wont get what they think its worth. again... im sure it is well worth if you have the chronic, but come on why not flood the market with quality so the prices dip down? actually, not sure how well that would work because then it would come back to the shops to keep those prices jacked up high so they make their profits. so i guess this comes down to the consumer giving in to pay these stupid prices that put lots of money into shop hands and ruin it for everyone else. i know everything we weed smokers do actually influences what the feds do, but we as people can stimulate and indirectly affect the influence of how things are being perceived. i for one am glad shops are getting closed, (not really i still sorta believe its not fair) but at the same time i see the bigger picture as to why they are doing it and in some weird way, believe its deserved to see how much money can influence negative acts and to show the ignorance of what compassion really is.

/end rant
/begin debates?
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Nobody owes you anything. If you want good smoke at cost, you're gonna have to grow it yourself. And you should.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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d.s.m. said:
It's funny about bag appeal. I'm happy as a clam smoking the extra stuff I trim off of buds just to give them bag appeal. Because it's the exact same smoke. And people always seem to want the bigger buds; the ones with the bigger stems inside. I still don't get that.
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but duuuuuuude! look how big the buds are! that must be awesome!
 
TheNovadude

TheNovadude

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1 C note per O is about all anyone wants to put down around here, and i m done growin indoor, pge bill sux, outdoor is the way to go on the cheap, but i m retired now so,, whatever,, they say if u can grow
enuf one yr to tide u over till da next then u r doin good,, hey? so i m doin good yah lol
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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TheNovadude said:
1 C note per O is about all anyone wants to put down around here, and i m done growin indoor, pge bill sux, outdoor is the way to go on the cheap, but i m retired now so,, whatever,, they say if u can grow
enuf one yr to tide u over till da next then u r doin good,, hey? so i m doin good yah lol
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Sorry, not trying to be a dick or anything, but a little advice... Give up on doing the whole internet speak stuff. It doesn't go over well when older people do it. Just type normal words and you'll be fine.
 
curious2garden

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vradd said:
heres an idea, maybe if shops didnt charge black market prices and tried to make a buck every which way possible, this wouldnt be happening. weed was supposed to be medical (its our right to know what is therapuetic to our bodies) BUT how can you claim compassionate help that these shops are claiming if they charge what pedro does at the corner?.......snip......
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Can you please explain how compassionate or medically effective equate to low prices? If you can could you please explain this to the FDA/HHS/DEA so they could crack down on every large pharmaceutical company out there, please? If you complain about dispensary prices of marijuana have you purchased any prescription medications lately?

I agree the medical marijuana system needs guidance and sorting out. But as far as this goes either we all band together for full legalization or we shall all hang separately. A strategy that lobbyists use is to divide an opponent party amongst themselves so your side, the opposing side, can win. That's some of what we see happening. If the medical marijuana, legalization of marijuana lobby can be divided over secondary issues we forget the primary issue to FULLY legalize medical marijuana and recreational marijuana use.

Let's remain focused and get full legalization then we can work out the secondary issues.
 
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Dan Kone said:
No thank you. The Feds announced publicly they would leave 215 alone, many people went through a lot of trouble and expense to make their businesses legal based on the policy they'd be left alone if they conducted themselves as legal businesses. Now for no good reason they are going after these people who's only real crime is trying to obey the law to the best of their abilities. In a lot of cases the federal government is using people's desire to obey the law against them. That is wrong. So I'll keep complaining.
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Dan Kone said:
In areas with a lot of dispensaries there has been a significant drop in bud prices. So be thanking them.

Also, most dispensaries aren't charging black market prices. Sure they'll have a few expensive strains as "top shelf" but most have decent quality bud on their mid shelf which is far superior to what black market dealers have at the same or lower prices. Usually you can get bud that's of equal quality, sometimes even better on mid shelf, it just doesn't have the same bag appeal.

Bag appeal is not a medical need. The dispensaries are under no obligation to give you cheap high bag appeal bud. If you buy weed because "OMFG look how purple it is!", that shit is on you.

If you don't like way dispensaries do business, open one yourself and do things differently.
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d.s.m. said:
It's funny about bag appeal. I'm happy as a clam smoking the extra stuff I trim off of buds just to give them bag appeal. Because it's the exact same smoke. And people always seem to want the bigger buds; the ones with the bigger stems inside. I still don't get that.
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P.S. LOL you guys rock.
 
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itsaplant

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I talked to pretty high people (Pun intended) on a completely not for prophet system.
They say it fails because well....they are broke! No lawyer money,
I thought a system where meds would be completely free to cancer or aids or...
Even where growers would drop off tax deductible produce...
All failed!

Its not what they charge to the patients, its that they are buying for $800 and vending for $9000 or what how ever high the cost.

And the balls of some of these clubs asking for donations for lawyers.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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itsaplant said:
I talked to pretty high people (Pun intended) on a completely not for prophet system.
They say it fails because well....they are broke! No lawyer money,
I thought a system where meds would be completely free to cancer or aids or...
Even where growers would drop off tax deductible produce...
All failed!

Its not what they charge to the patients, its that they are buying for $800 and vending for $9000 or what how ever high the cost.

And the balls of some of these clubs asking for donations for lawyers.
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No one is buying a pack for $800 and selling it for $9000.

As far as the believe that dispensaries should be all about giving away free stuff and not making a profit, well you first.

Opening a dispensary is very expensive and risky. I'm not sure why it's fine for someone opening any other type of business except this one. Why is it immoral for a dispensary to make a profit, but perfectly acceptable for a doctor to make a profit?

Why should a dispensary owner risk his financial future and personal freedom but not make a profit? Don't those risks make dispensaries deserving of making a profit?
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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After all the shit I read from the Cali guys about how you should vote no on the legalization question last year when it was coming up for a vote they deserve every bit of trouble the feds want to give them. That is karma my friends. Greed does not pay in the long run. You all made your bed now lay down and enjoy the nap until the feds come knocking.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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bigv1976 said:
After all the shit I read from the Cali guys about how you should vote no on the legalization question last year when it was coming up for a vote they deserve every bit of trouble the feds want to give them. That is karma my friends. Greed does not pay in the long run. You all made your bed now lay down and enjoy the nap until the feds come knocking.
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Yep. We could have had legalization. Now we are fighting to keep medical. If people would have supported legalization the feds would most likely be going after recreational cannabis right now instead of medical. Now we may lose everything. I tried to tell everyone. I know prop 19 wasn't perfect but that was definitely a case of letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.

Have to agree with you there.
 
bigv1976

bigv1976

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itsaplant said:
bigv1976, Go stand in the rain handing out voter ballets in your own state before you judge us!
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I am not judging anyone. All the greedy growers that said vote no to legalization are getting exactly what they asked for. Sorry about your bad luck.
 
Dan Kone

Dan Kone

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itsaplant said:
The club I knew was making $9000 profit on the retail wholesale element of the "Biz"
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Even on a pack that was 100% broken down by the gram, that comes out to $20 profit per gram (add more on to that price for costs). Math doesn't work there. Who ever told you that is lying to you.

~$7k-8k is the maximum net. And on a pack of that quality (indoor) is going to go for at least $2800. That knocks the profit down to about $4k-5k. The factor in the costs for running the dispensary which are considerable (minimum $15k-20k per month for even a small dispensary), and the dispensary makes about the same as a grower makes off a pound. The difference is the volume the dispensaries sell.

Don't get me wrong, it's still highly lucrative, it's just not what people think it is necessarily.

Also Im just saying completely not for profit clubs can not survive.
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I agree. I only know of one. They have a reputation beyond repute and are well known (WAMM). They've had to dramatically scale back their days and are always on the boarder of having to close down altogether. Last time I heard from Val she had just scaled back to 3 days a week due to financial issues with the club. If they got raided tomorrow, it's likely they'd shut down because they couldn't afford lawyers fees.

Dispensary owner is a risky job. People taking that risk should have the right to make a profit. Some dispensary owners (actually, a lot) are greedy pigs just in it for the money. But that's ok. The more dispensaries that exist, the lower it will end up dropping the price of bud, greedy pigs or not it.
 
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