Stealth Dresser Grow - 1st Grow Attempt

gumball

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sure but in the wild plants are not refined to only 2.5 gallons of soil. which is enough for one plant to grow AT MOST 3-4 months (the rule of thumb is 1 gallon per month you will be growing). 2 plants in one pot give them about a gallon of soil for there roots to grow which wouldnt be enough for anything. but whats going to happen is the stronger one is just going to take over the smaller one and it stunt and eventually kill it..
plants in the wild are sometimes bunched together in even tighter spacing, and have less water to contend with. its not a great practice, but for a first grow it will not hurt anything, but he will have a lot more water maintenance during flower. Probably a little more than 2 times the watering of the other plant. They wont be stunted. They will grow as they would in individual 1 gallon pots. If one has a root disease of some sort, the other will be effected. But he did not have space. So why risk everything. One of those 2 may be his only female. Or he could be granted with great first time luck and get 3 girls :D
 

incade

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I think I agree with Gumball. I could go buy (3) 1-gallon pots, but I don't expect that all 3 of these will be females anyway. I should be able to kill one off early enough before it brings down another. I don't want to transplant to a 1-gal and have to transplant back to a 3-gal later.

Slightly unrelated: I have purchased a new piece from a local shop nearby, and it is now my favorite. I have not named it yet, but it's soooo smooth, yet so mean.

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gumball

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nice bong :D if they do all turn out to be fem, you can use an aqua globe, or they even make spikes you can screw to a 2 liter jug that act just like an aqua globe to help with watering. they do really work if used properly.
 

incade

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I'm not sure if it's too early to tell or not.. this could just be another leaf set sprouting, but this looks like pistols to me.. I noticed that sometimes males can start out like this too though.. Anyway, both the first and second plant have these in the same area now. The third plant which started out slow hasn't shown anything similar yet.

What do you guys think? First female(s)?

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gumball

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those I think are petioles, could be wrong. but they are not pistils or balls, sorry. What lighting are you on and what kind od seeds again? I thought veg lighting and bag seed, so not auto-flowering seeds, right. looks good though.

not to be rude or anything, but all 3 are gonna be girls because of the planting situation :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 

incade

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Lol I want to know the gender already! :-P

Let's see, for lighting I have on (5) 5500k 26W, and (3) 2700k 23W. I turn off 2 of the 2700k's when the door isn't open due to heat issues. So, it's usually just 5x5500k and 1x2700k.
Unfortunately, I do not know the nature of the bagseed (or if it can be auto-flowering).. but yes, it is bagseed.

Let's hope for all girls, that'd make my day!

I'm seriously considering killing the small one though, I know it'd be a shame to do so.. but I don't want to risk the other plant..
I'm hoping that if I keep it alive, the bigger plant will kill the small one if it comes down to it.

I've been watering them at least once daily now.. The water isn't leaking through to the bottom of the pot, and the meters show toward the low end of "moist" everyday. Thirsty, they are.
 

gumball

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No I meant the light time cycle, not color temp :lol: but I feel ya, I am always dieing to know the gender. I always highly discourage killing a plant. Would you kill a puppy because you didnt know if you wanted to keep it, and it was smaller? Bad example, but you get the point. The big one may kill it, but I think as long as you dont let 'em starve too bad they will live fine.
 

incade

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Hehe, good analogy I think. I would feel terrible about killing it. I know I would. Lol
The light cycle was switched from 18/6 to 24/0 on 01/27, which was 4 days after the seeds were in soil.

Also: I just raised the lights by another inch. The biggest plant was about 1/2" away from the light when I got home.
This is the 3rd time I've raised the lights in 2 weeks. :-)

I don't think I answered this earlier, but honestly my goal is NOT to make the plants grow any more vertically than necessary.. I don't have a ton of vertical room, and my lights are now probably about 1/2 way up in the 2nd week. I have a feeling I'm going to barely get by after flowering.
 

incade

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The plants are still growing, but they're starting to look slightly less happy about it (getting droopy). If I had to guess, I'd say it's the temperatures they are being raised in. My thermometer says that it's an average of 86 degrees in there, the humidity issue was also never solved, it always say 16% humidity.

Also, I've taken note that these plants are going through about 0.5 gallons of water a day for each pot. Does that seem about right for this stage?

I guess I need to get on rebuilding the exhaust and such this weekend.

So, I'll be spending some time this week trying to solidify a plan for the new ventilation/door.
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incade

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Today I mounted a temporary fix for the ventilation/odor control.. Well, it may end up being more permanent but I do have a few more changes in mind. I intend to implement some sort of passive intake holes on the bottom (but the board there now won't hold if I drill into it).

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incade

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I introduced the plants to Fox Farms Big Bloom today. I only did half the dosage that the chart calls for, so we'll see how the plants like the nutrients and if they respond well, I'll work them up to full dosage.
 

TweedleD

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Whoa! Dude!...STOP right there!

0.5 gallons a day is way too much from my experience!
I water mine 1ltr / 0.2gal every 2 days, and mine are maybe 3 times your size and under a 600w...

Do not introduce the big bloom, it isnt in flower yet, it is still vegging.
1/2 strength is way too much for a plant that size!

Remember, less is more!

I will find some time to read this thread and help you out my friend!
You have yourself a subber and will follow this through to the end.

First things first, DO NOT water those bitches any more!
Let the pots go completely dry, pick it up and if it feels featherweight then youre on the ball, give it 1/2 a litre of water, NO NUTES and then check the pot every day until you feel it get light and the top 2 inches of soil are dry, then you know how often to water.

I will give this a read soon or if you want you can give me a run down from day 00 of what youve done.

Peace & Love!
 

incade

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Hmm, I would like to point out that I'm in a very low humidity area that is freezing.. So, the avg temperature in the box is 86F, with 16% humidity. You guys would be surprised how I come home every day and the soil is almost all pulled away from the pots. These things are pretty dry when I get home after work. Every day.

However, I have also introduced a humidifier into the room, so maybe that'll help with humidity a little and I won't have to water so often.
 

gumball

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i think your good. they are air pots and drink way more water. if its dry its dry, water it. they have grown good since the transplant. you need to decide when you are going to flower though before they get too big, they will veg for 2'ish weeks after you switch to 12/12, so they could grow a bit.
 

TweedleD

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Right i just couldnt sleep so i just read the whole thread, and have a few things to make a comment on.
Please do not get offended by what i say, i am just trying to throw some info out there for you. Do what you want with it, but it is all based from books, articles, grow diarys, my grows and experiences.

Ok, let me start.
I myself started out a bit like you, a stealthy grow in some kind of bedroom furniture.
I too used CFL's and it was very ghetto, under a desk with a black bin liner on the front that leaked light and a box stuffed behind which leaked out the top.
I didnt have anything to measure temp or humidity and i watered daily.
This is when i learnt about over watering and that is what your plants look like now.
Sure they are growing, but they are dropping down and the roots dont get a proper wet/dry cycle. I left it be and the leaves then started to uncurl and even out, becoming strong and sturdy.
I also learnt about when to fert (first true leaves turning yellow) and when i over fert (mainly leaf tip burn but there are many many symptoms.
1 was an auto flower that stayed short and yeilded me just over 1.oz dry, the other 3 were females, all 3 were moved outdoors in the UK summer, they stretched to get the light but only 1 got close to finishing before first frost. Others needed a good month more and the other 2 months more.
So all in all im talking really fucking ghetto that i shouldnt have yeilded as much as i did!


After that grow, i went on to my second, and decided to mess about with some LED's to see what i could yeild. The light ran cool and kept the plants short.
I over watered once and remembered what i had done before.
I didnt introduce nutes til about a week into flower, and even then i introduced @ 1/4 strength, 2 days later i gave water, then 2 days after that nutes again.
If the plant looked a bit pale or yallow leaves i would up the nutes a fraction at a time, with a plain watering between.
I also wanted to maximize my yeild for my space, so started LST'ing my plant and this worked bloody well!
I had about 15-20 main heads per plant!
I yeilded 2.oz in total, and let me to this conclusion;

When growing with CFL's or LED's, the veg time is greatly increased and you should never introduce nutes until the plant tell you too.
Do not use the grow charts as they are more of a guidline. Change the time scale acording to plant size. Those charts are based on 1 plant under 1000w i believe..

You should also systematically pot up during the grow, i have found 2-3 times works well for me, but always resulting in finishing in a 6.5 litre/ 1.5gal square pot.
Why?
The most important thing to have a healthy grow...is ROOTS!
If you have a healthy root ball, you will have a healthy grow.

This has brought me on to my 3rd grow, a 600w stealth grow.
Having a long veg time and long flower time under cfl/led just bummed me out, so i just started hacking away at my old wardrobe til i had it looking nice and tidy, perfect for 6 plants.

Since starting the grow, i havent really had any real problems.
No over watering, no over ferting, and im also using hydro for the first time, no probs yet.. Fingers crossed.
Sure i still ask questions about my plants, but mostly i know i dont have a detrimental problem so i kinda sit back and let it play out. If i see anything getting worse then i start to ask myself if i have done anything against schedule.
If i havent i check how much water it has drank, what the ph & ppm run off is and i will also pull it out and check the roots.



Now....
Onto your grow and a few things to think about.

You started out in those party cups and all was good. In the future, try misting the surface of the soil in those early stages once or twice a day and use some kind of humidity dome, or a baggie, like i used in my LED grow if you check it out.

That pot size is way too much in my honest opinion, especially seeing as you just potted up from a party cup.
Problem with this is, yes youre right, it seems like the plant drinks a lot, but it doesnt.
Why?
Quite simply because you dont have your whole 3gal pot full of roots, so adding a gal of water for a plant that size isnt gunna do it any good.
What you will be left with is stagnant water,which will cause bacteria to thrive and cause all sorts of root complications for your plants if the soil is damp with staggy on the inside.
Look at the roots of my waterfarm babies, not much bigger than yours and thats a 2gal reservoir and lots of room.
@ the end i will be left with a massize 2gal sized rootball! :D

Like i said, it is very important to;
Check plant and pot dry weight and water once you know how long it takes to dry out, wet & dry cycle!!

Only feed once leaves start to turn yellow, this depends on the soil you are using and the size of the plant. Every plant will be different!

Less is always more!!!
Feed less and see how plant responds. Up nutes if plants still look like they want/need it after a day or two.

Here are a few links that are worth having a little read through.
They have saved my skin many times when nobody on the forum replies, and trust me,i know how that feels. people rarely respond to my threads, so ive had to learn by my self, and hell with it, learn the tough way but you wont forget and make the same mistake twice!

http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/plant_abuse.html
lots of reading stuff at the bottom.

Hope that gives you some insight!
...keep growin...
Peace & Love!


Oh...and dont forget, always do your own research on someones advice, especially if they dont have their own grow on the forum! :D
 

incade

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Another picture update, the plants seem to be continuing onward.. I did stop watering them for two days but they started to look a little unhappy. I watered them this morning with the same nute dosage and they seem to have perked back up quite a bit.

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