Stealth draws?

dungie said:

He is working me a price out now on 4 x 400cm high x 1000cm deep x 1200 cabs and 2 x 1600mm high x 1000cm deep x 1200 cabs.

Works out on the site at over a grand but he said it will be cheaper than that because for the big cabs instead of using 18mm mdf for the top and the bottom sections he can use a 100mm wide rails which should reduce cost. Not sure what rails are though.

This is what he emailed me

"Yes that makes sense. We could do as you suggest but use two 100mm wide rails instead of omitting the top/bottoms. That way you could build each unit independently and then stack them together."

They cant omit the side of one of the 1600cm cabs though as they are essential to make it sturdy.

How does that sound mate?

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Ok thats the cabs sorted I guess ... Now you need to order a shit load of dimpled Mylar...It may be cheaper to buy a roll, I'll have a look on line n see how much I can get a roll for if possible......I pay £5.00 per Meter, But as I say I'll have a look about for you - STELTHY

Just got this email and pic for you to have a look at see what you think

Looks good. I'll just make a couple of mods to it:
- since one of the 400mm high units will be stacked on top it doesn't need the plinth i.e. bottom position can be zero
- on the other 400mm unit (with plinth) I'll add on 50mm to the height to ensure the door height looks the same as the other unit
- I'll change the tops on two of the cabinets to rails. I've attached an image to show you what rails look like. This will save a good bit of material.
I'll get going on the pricing.


Let me know what you think, he was saying decent hinges will cost me 100 quid but they just slip on so would make life easier i suppose.

Looks like its gonna be sorted today i hope.

dungie said:

Ill leave the choice of lights up to you mate. What watt are the veg lights and do they cost a lot to run? I want the best most cost effective one and as i say ill leave it up to you.

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There are 3 main types of veg lights,*Metal Halide.. That runs pretty warm and are 250W min (as far as growing 5+ plants are concerned)

*CFL.. BLUE SPEC available in 125w 150w 200w and 250w all are 100% awesome for vegging with very little heat.

*LED.. Depending on the make, quality and power of the LED diode's... Can work well.. BUT the units ARE expensive

I'll post pics of the LEDs... I wont bother with Metal Halides cos that'll mean another fan and more noise (not very stealth) I used 90W LED UFOs but in all honesty I had the best results with Blue spec Envirolites - STELTHY

Im thinking if he can make the top and bottom of each 1600cm cab with raisl this would be perfect as the top of the lower 400cm cab would be my shelf and the bottom of the top 400cm cab as my roof?

These were the ones I used...But notice they are accompanied by Cfls... Which you need to strengthen the wave length on the LED output I think these Led measure at 630nm (nano meter) but the plants thrive from the PAR (Plant Active Radiation) from the CFLs

The HID Hut Satellite System is a bracket that powers 8 bulb sockets, that will attach to any of our LED UFO grow lights. It allows for extended coverage of the LED UFO using additional standard base bulb, without extra wiring or separate hanging brackets. We suggest the use of LED bulbs, however any 120V bulb can be used, including CFL's. When adding LED bulbs, it is best advised to add new spectrums of light, namely 440nm blue and 660nm red to boost the flowering performance of the UFO.

The Satellite System integrates with the UFO's 3-wire hanging system, and adds approximately 2lbs of weight to the UFO, while greatly extending its potential. Each of the eight sockets is fully adjustable to any angle in any direction, and are wired in parallel so any uninstalled or failed bulb will not interrupt operation. Comes wired with a 6' 120V power cord, and fuse box with replaceable fuses.

LED UFO and LED Bulbs not included.







I found this post on another web-site that shows how led veg's faster than MH (Although in my opinion the MH is well too high up in this test)
Heres a LINK to the site :-

http://www.greenpinelane.com/yaf/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284&p=2

So its either 90W/300W LED or 125W/150W/250W CFL FOR Vegging. And either 400w or 600w HPS for flowering - I dont know how much the lights cost to run...there's alot of things to take into consideration ie rate, watts, elec. company, etc etc

If anyone else wants to chime in here and help out with the math & cost of running various different lights at different wattages please do so many thanks - STELTHY & Co -

Yes i could do with some help figuring it out. Was thinking of changing when i start and on that comparethemarket.com you can put in your anual approx usage and they get you the best deal.

So im thinking 250watt CFL for vegging which would be running constantly 18/6 and a 600watt HPS for flowering constantly 12/12.

I need to find out how much electricity that would use and add an approx average of what a 3 bedroom house would use to get my final figure.

Any help would be appreciated.

What do you rekon to this? http://www.greenshorticulture.co.uk/CFL-Lights-95/CFL-Grow-Lights-122/High-Output-CFL-Systems-1148.asp

The bottom one 250watt with red and blue lamp? 10% off aswell if i spend over £300!! Could get everything i need from here in one go. Was thinking ruck fan and rhino filter combo, not sure on size, Whatever hps light you reccomend from there and ballast etc.

Id rather get it all in one go and a bonus for me is not having hydroponics or grow etc in the name so will look good on the bank statement. Wish i could drive as id rather pay cash but never mind.

They do all the hydro systems aswell

15m Roll Hydroponics Diamond Mylar reflective Sheeting £29.85 + £5.99 postage on E-Bay
A silver light proof diffusion foil, white and silver poly measuring 1.25m x 100m that works in a similar way to a horticultural lighting reflector.

Light is precious and you will want to maximise usable light from your grow lights. One excellent way of doing this is to use reflective sheeting. Investment in reflective sheeting allows stray light to be redirected towards your plants. This is especially important in a small grow room. Plant growth is nearly linear with light intensity and installation of reflective sheeting will increase the light intensity and save money in the long term. In some cases it may also reduce initial costs.

- Diamond pressed for increased light diffusion and easier handling
- 50% more reflective than standard black & white sheeting
- Flame Retardant with Total Blackout
- EMP Guard

This is the cheapest I have found it.. if Iam paying £5 per meter at the grow shop and you getting 15 Meters I would have to pay £75.00 for 15 Meters but if you buy this roll from E-Bay you'll only be spending £29.85 + £5.99 postage so call that £35.84

Saving you £39.16

So I would highly suggest doing that.. - STELTHY

dungie said:

What do you rekon to this? http://www.greenshorticulture.co.uk/CFL-Lights-95/CFL-Grow-Lights-122/High-Output-CFL-Systems-1148.asp

The bottom one 250watt with red and blue lamp? 10% off aswell if i spend over £300!! Could get everything i need from here in one go. Was thinking ruck fan and rhino filter combo, not sure on size, Whatever hps light you reccomend from there and ballast etc.

Id rather get it all in one go and a bonus for me is not having hydroponics or grow etc in the name so will look good on the bank statement. Wish i could drive as id rather pay cash but never mind.

They do all the hydro systems aswell

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I just checked out the link.. The reflector is very good Get 2 of them if thats cool!! You only really need the blue spec lamp's since red is for flowering and you'll have HPS for that on the other side, So maybe... The 4th one down 'HIGH OUTPUT CFL SYSTEM WITH 250W BLUE LAMP' @ £84.99, Get 2 of these! and sure why not use this site 10% is good considering you need a load of stuff - STELTHY

As far as fans and carbon filters go, go with 6" diameters .. I have the Rhino filter They are great and try n get a self thermostated 6" in-line fan you could like you said get an 8" in-line fan and run it lower to keep things stealth...Thats cool to do you will just need some alumininum reducer collar's from 8" down to 6" - STELTHY

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LUMATEK-600W-DIGITAL-ELECTRONIC-DIMMABLE-BALLAST-/360321883528?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item53e4db9d88

Does that sound a good price to you mate?

Mind you with 10% off at that place i may aswell stick to it, i would get it for 140 there.

Think the one on ebay is better though, 2011 model and dimmable.

Are digital ballasts worth the money?

Gotta pop out be back in a few hours mate - STELTHY

dungie said:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LUMATEK-600W-DIGITAL-ELECTRONIC-DIMMABLE-BALLAST-/360321883528?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item53e4db9d88

Does that sound a good price to you mate?

Mind you with 10% off at that place i may aswell stick to it, i would get it for 140 there.

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Yeah man that is a good price I think I paid £160 for mine so yeah go for that one, either on E-bay or from that website, both are cheaper than what I paid lol - STELTHY

Ok mate. Could i get away with just one 250watt cfl light? Just thinking of electric costs being to high and making the elec people suspicious.

dungie said:

Ok mate. Could i get away with just one 250watt cfl light? Just thinking of electric costs being to high and making the elec people suspicious.

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The reflectors can hold different wattage bulbs but coverage is key... You could get 2 reflectors but have a 125W in each and you would still only be consuming 250W I think most bedrooms are thought of as 1000w in most homes so providing you dont go to much higher if that high at all you'll be ok - STELTHY

Right mate final design for the cab is below. Thing is though its to tall at 2400cm high and wont fit in my room and at £800, more than i wanted to spend.

Could we get away with 300cm cabs top and bottom and make each cab 1100cm wide? I rekon this would save me a few quid and fit in the room perfect. Let me know mate as im ready to order.

What do you suggest for hinges? Never hung a door in my life so would like something to make life as easy as possible.

Total space then would be 2200mm high x 2200mm wide by 1000cm deep.

If you say thats good to go ill order it. Oh pic is of just one cab ill have 2 side by side.

Looks a mint design. Rails on the big cabs means i can use the roof of the bottom cab as a shelf and the roof of the top one roof

dungie said:

Right mate final design for the cab is below. Thing is though its to tall at 2400cm high and wont fit in my room and at £800, more than i wanted to spend.

Could we get away with 300cm cabs top and bottom and make each cab 1100cm wide? I rekon this would save me a few quid and fit in the room perfect. Let me know mate as im ready to order.

What do you suggest for hinges? Never hung a door in my life so would like something to make life as easy as possible.

Total space then would be 2200mm high x 2200mm wide by 1000cm deep.

If you say thats good to go ill order it. Oh pic is of just one cab ill have 2 side by side.

Looks a mint design. Rails on the big cabs means i can use the roof of the bottom cab as a shelf and the roof of the top one roof

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If each cab can be 1100 wide then that'll be pretty much perfect you can run the same lighting setup I have in there... I just measured my cab and its 1200mm but I have over 6" spare on the end.

SO GOOD NEWS!!! you can run the same lighting setup and you'll still have the 6" for air movement, I'am glad about that

ORDER IT NOW!!!!!!! The measurements are GOOD

Can they supply hinges and have them pre-drilled etc.... 3 to 4 hinges per main door, Tell the dude you want the doors to shut seamlessly if possible with the smallest of gaps if any all the way around.


BUY IT NOW This is the one!!!!!!!!! - STELTHY

I think they can supply hinges ill ask him. They work out how many hinges etc you need. Gonna have to be extra carefull drilling holes though as they will going through the top of the lower cabinet so i cant make a mistake.. Im sure it will all work out.

Yes he can supply hinges and drill holes, 32 hingines in total and 12 door lol. Will look nice in the room though and not out of place for such a large thing. He is gonna give me a final price in the morning.

Ive ordered the ballast and im gonna order the mylar too.

Spent a bit more than i wanted on the cab so im gonna leave the lights until the cab is all done. Apart from fan and filter and ducting is there anything else i need to buy for the pre cut holes we are going to do so we can measure it all up.