Starting Your Seeds

snew

Well-Known Member
Okay to all you paper towel heads and water nuts. :lol: I have been saying this for a long time now but found a site which states it nicely. Read this and don't lose any more of your precious seeds needlessly.

For an optimal germination result the seeds should be planted DIRECTLY into the substrate. We clearly advise against using pre-germination methods or soaking. Please do not place the seeds into a glass of water or in moist paper tissues. Fresh and healthy seeds prefer a nurturing and airy substrate to germinate in – just as mother nature has meant it to be. Cannabis is a plant species originating from semi-arid and temperate biotopes and the vast majority of modern cannabis hybrids contain a substantial percentage of these genetics. Cannabis seeds are not adapted to swampy wetlands, but they are suited for germinating in well drained soil/substrate. In nature they rot if they fall into a puddle of water...and there are no paper tissues lying around either. Taking into account these botanical facts, it is quite logical that by creating germination conditions that are similar to those of the natural habitat one can expect the best results.
What happens if one uses pre-germination methods?
1. Soaking seeds in water/wet paper towels is a method which can be used for old seeds (3+ years) that are drying up and losing germination power; and for pure land race equatorial strains such as from Africa. Both factors do not apply to our seeds. Fresh seeds have a healthy embryo whose cells are filled with water. But excess water causes the cells to bloat, depletes oxygen and leads to the tissue rotting away before the seed embryo can germinate. Old seeds have lost water in the cell tissue, the embryo starts to shrivel, which is why germination rates drop the older the seeds are. Therefore, old seeds (ie. 3+ years) can soak up more water before adverse conditions cause them to rot. This is one of the main reasons why various seed stock reacts differently to pre-germination methods. Especially novice growers make a lot of mistakes with pre-germination methods such as soaking seeds in water for up to 1-2 days. Even if one chooses to pre-germ seeds it has to be done correctly.
It is in a growers best interest to choose a germination method with the lowest risk of complications. Because we want customers to have the highest success rate possible we recommend the most convenient and safest method. This does not mean it is the only option. We simply believe it carries the lowest risk. In fact, planting seeds directly in the substrate is also the most plant friendly method for any type of seed stock. The reasons are explained below in paragraph 2 & 3.
2. Placing healthy & fresh seeds in water/wet tissue can lead to the development of fungi or bacteria on the seed hull. Lack of oxygen and contaminating substances in the water/wet tissue promote fungal growth which can be transported to the substrate later on. Often the seed simply rots away if left for too long in a glass of water, or wrapped up in wet tissue.
3. Once the seed sprouts in a glass of water or paper tissue it already has the taproot growing out of the cracked seed hull. While transplanting the germinated seed it is very difficult, indeed impossible, to prevent damage to the delicate taproot. Many sprouted seedlings handled in this way show retarded development, or even simply fail to appear out of the substrate after transplantation. Handling seedlings this way can impair the health & vigour of the plant for the duration of it’s life cycle - especially if other disturbing factors occur during the early stages of growth.
Professional horticulturists rarely use pre-germination methods to actually grow out the seedlings because of the shock suffered from transplanting them. For example, we use the paper tissue method only as a quick test for germination rates of aged seed stock from our genetic repository. This allows us to see beforehand how many seeds we have to put in soil to get the amount of plants we require for breeding projects.
Germinating cannabis seeds is not difficult. All you need is some basic information on what is important and everything should work out fine.




Like writing an english paper...keep it short and keep it simple. :mrgreen:




out. :blsmoke:
This is really good. Thanks
 

DALEKMOS

Active Member
Sorry man but I gotta disagree with you there. I too saw the video and I laughed through the entire thing. It isn't mind boggling it's just someone trying to sell me a product. If I hadn't been laughing my ass off I would have taken offense to the fact that they were blatantly insulting my intelligence.
 

Katatawnic

Well-Known Member
Hey CJ, any "tips" on how to tell when your itty bitty seedlings really need watering? I've lost four to over-watering in the last year, and three of those were strains I really wanted and only had one of each. :cry: I know this is basically a germination thread, but IMNSHO the first week or so applies to "starting" your seeds. :lol: For me, this is the most crucial stage of gardening; once they're past the little baby stage, it's smooth sailing till harvest. :mrgreen: I've got 12 seedlings that are 2 to 3 days old, and I want all 12 of them to start their lives with nothing but happiness. :D
 

potspot

Member
germinating in an aerogarden works great! It's the perfect stage one. Simply drop seeds in....wait 24 hours and BAM!! you have a baby. When you're ready for phase two simply place into bigger hydro.

Aerogarden doesn't come with an air stone and the res is just not big enough, so trying to grow from start to finish will leave you a bit disappointed.

This is really good. Thanks
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Personally, I grow my seedlings out in 32 trays of "accelerator" pots. When I water my babies....I don't soak the heck out of them. Newbies haven't the root system to drive down with, so I just water the tops....and as they grow I deepen the watering until at the final stage I immerse the entire pot in a bucket of water.
 

ukgrower2110

Well-Known Member
soz if i hijak the thread, im gna grow ina pc, im going to use these 3 things in order from left to right,
what do u guys think will happen?
 

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Katatawnic

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germinating in an aerogarden works great! It's the perfect stage one. Simply drop seeds in....wait 24 hours and BAM!! you have a baby. When you're ready for phase two simply place into bigger hydro.

Aerogarden doesn't come with an air stone and the res is just not big enough, so trying to grow from start to finish will leave you a bit disappointed.
I've got an airstone that fits perfectly into the AG's reservoir. I think it's 6". There are 1" ones you can get at pet shops; I've seen some AG growers use a few of those placed throughout the reservoir. :D

I don't grow hydro anymore, but still use the AG's stand and lights for clones and seedlings to get their start. It's a lovely little germing/rooting station, ain't it? :hump:

Personally, I grow my seedlings out in 32 trays of "accelerator" pots. When I water my babies....I don't soak the heck out of them. Newbies haven't the root system to drive down with, so I just water the tops....and as they grow I deepen the watering until at the final stage I immerse the entire pot in a bucket of water.
Thanks for the quickie, CJ! ;) :hug:

This time around I germed them in an ice cube tray that I first burned holes into the bottoms (gotta be innovative when you're broke! :lol:), then filled with soil. Watered with a little oral syringe used for dosing infants with meds, 1/2 tsp. each, and it worked like a charm. Transplanted them to 16 oz. party cups this afternoon, and with so much more soil in there to soak up water now, I got worried about drowning my babies. I'll stick to using the syringe for now, till 1-2 tsp. of water isn't enough anymore... looks like I was thinking right along the lines of what you're doing. :bigjoint:

I've seen a couple photos of your "accelerator" pots, but haven't seen anything like them in stores or online. I'd meant to ask you about those before, so... can you point me in the right direction to find something like them?
 

CrackerJax

New Member
I bought mine wholesale....I have certain advantages most don't in that regard.

Here is a supplier, but as you can see, you must purchase a case at a time. I did not use this supplier as I have my own, but my first purchase was a single case, but then quickly bought 4 more, once I saw the quality and thickness of the liners. they will last many years and grows and in the long run, a good value. As you can see on the website....the design is awesome. They really do accelerate the heck out of ANY plant.

http://www.stuewe.com/products/accelerator.html



You can also look into Rootmaker liners..... I use those as well and get great results. I use 18 trays and 32 trays of rootmakers. Another great design.
 

Katatawnic

Well-Known Member
Uh, definitely can't afford a case. :lol: But the Rootmaker doesn't make you buy by the case, so that'll be my next purchase. :hump:

Thanks again, CJ! :hug:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Sure..... I could possibly send you a few trays if you want to. Slightly used but in perfect shape.

Rootmakers are comparable to them, but a bit thinner. I don't know what site ur looking at but the flats are of regular thickness. They do make a quad cell pack that is thick like the accelerators. I don't know if you can break them out since I also purchased an entire case. Definitely a long term durable liner pack.
 

Smallsn

Well-Known Member
that same page says, "
Please use high quality soil or rockwool starter cubes for germinating seeds. Do not use jiffy’s/peat pellets/rooter plugs: the acidic pH of pure peat can inhibit germination of cannabis seeds. "
but so far i've got 100% germination :mrgreen:

I think the paper towel method is just good so you can see which ones are actually popping and not have to plant no-good seeds.
Gay i just bought some peat pellets
 

CLOSETGROWTH

Well-Known Member
Put em in soil, if they pop out of the soil, there good. Simple as that.

Way too many people make a big deal out of germinating a seed.. shocking.
 

cdrippper2

Active Member
wow, just bumped across this and have to say whoops....been paper toweling and 24 hr. soaking lately and heck even the peat pellets :hump:. Pretty good results though...i'm thinking i'll be switching up methods in the future though to see if that helps speed up things
 

Gilfman

Well-Known Member
best results this year with fastest germing rates with putting them straight into composted soil/peat/perlite/sand/minor clay soil mix i made myself .. peat pellets seem to hold too much water imo, had some rot last year
 
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