squamous cell carcinoma head and neck stage 4

Cory and trevor

Cory and trevor

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I have a relative who recently was diagnosed with stage 4 squamous cell carcinoma. Does anyone have any experience in treating this with simpson oil? I'm using my acid strain and making oil with 99% Iso. I've read both oral and topical use and wonder what way is best. He has had a large chunk of jaw bone removed and a piece of hip bone put in its place. Swallowing is hard and of course he is high out of his mind on narcotics per his doctor. Thanks in advance.
 
I would say apply the rso either directly to the effected area In its activated form (decarboxylated) or make some very potent balm. apply liberally maybe cover with a bandage.Consuming is not a bad idea either. This would be a challenge to make enough. good luck with the treatments.
 
my ears are open but nothing to input. still dealing with poss wierdness this way and considering a strong indica? oil. passed EkG , still have MRi and Eeg coming up which was doc main concern anyhow. or could be nothing and I am batshit crazy which is most likely
 
Cory and trevor said:
I have a relative who recently was diagnosed with stage 4 squamous cell carcinoma. Does anyone have any experience in treating this with simpson oil? I'm using my acid strain and making oil with 99% Iso. I've read both oral and topical use and wonder what way is best. He has had a large chunk of jaw bone removed and a piece of hip bone put in its place. Swallowing is hard and of course he is high out of his mind on narcotics per his doctor. Thanks in advance.
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Sounds like you're on the right track. Your Acid strain has a great cannabinoid profile being rich in both THC and CBD, i believe it will be more effective than a strain rich in just one or the other. I've read everything possible on the subject and although there is no official dosage to go by it seems there there is no such thing as too much. Flooding the body and affected area with cannabinoids seems to be the best route. Most success stories I've read were getting around 1000mg of cannabinoids per day. Good luck brother!
 
Huel Perkins said:
Sounds like you're on the right track. Your Acid strain has a great cannabinoid profile being rich in both THC and CBD, i believe it will be more effective than a strain rich in just one or the other. I've read everything possible on the subject and although there is no official dosage to go by it seems there there is no such thing as too much. Flooding the body and affected area with cannabinoids seems to be the best route. Most success stories I've read were getting around 1000mg of cannabinoids per day. Good luck brother!
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That's true you cant isolate a trait and have the cure all. You need the whole canni profile to be effective.
 
Thanks for the responses. Made another batch this past weekend. 4 oz yielded almost 12 mL. Not sure if that's good or not, the plant is noticeably more oily than gooey if that makes sense. Another appointment and he was given 2 weeks and hospice is in now. Everyone is sure he is dead, except me. Hope is free and I don't need to be right so I hold on to optimism. One question, when you decarb oil is this the same way you would for butter I.e. I have baked the raw plant material on super low prior to cooking in the butter. Have to check my notes to see the temperature I used. I got the temps off skunkpharmllc. Can oil be decarbed after its already oil? I have suggested what you all say: use topically if you can and being a non lethal thing with no detrimental side effects to speak of eat all you can. Apparently cancer has picked a personal fucking fight with my kin, 2 more diagnoses were shared at the family Xmas party. I'm taking this shit personal y'all.thanks everyone. Keeping on keeping on. Nancy, I still remember something you told me and it'll stick with me forever. This ain't a fair fight so, don't figh fair. Cancer won't.
 
Cory and trevor said:
Thanks for the responses. Made another batch this past weekend. 4 oz yielded almost 12 mL. Not sure if that's good or not, the plant is noticeably more oily than gooey if that makes sense. Another appointment and he was given 2 weeks and hospice is in now. Everyone is sure he is dead, except me. Hope is free and I don't need to be right so I hold on to optimism. One question, when you decarb oil is this the same way you would for butter I.e. I have baked the raw plant material on super low prior to cooking in the butter. Have to check my notes to see the temperature I used. I got the temps off skunkpharmllc. Can oil be decarbed after its already oil? I have suggested what you all say: use topically if you can and being a non lethal thing with no detrimental side effects to speak of eat all you can. Apparently cancer has picked a personal fucking fight with my kin, 2 more diagnoses were shared at the family Xmas party. I'm taking this shit personal y'all.thanks everyone. Keeping on keeping on. Nancy, I still remember something you told me and it'll stick with me forever. This ain't a fair fight so, don't figh fair. Cancer won't.
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Frenchy says 200 degrees for 15 minutes as far as hash goes. anything over 212 is too hot and starts breaking down the oils (for hash). I would think if you slow cooked or made some butter it should be decarboxylated. How did you make your oil?
 
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If you are on Facebook , look up Michael McShane . I'm pretty sure he had/has this SCC among other issues and has been using cannabis oil for some time now . Of course they told him he would be dead in 6 months if he did not submit to their torture . That was about 4 years ago . . .
 
I have already forwarded Mike's story to the patient in question. Inspirational for sure but I couldn't find anywhere that said what stage he was cured from. You really have to ignore it for a while to hit stage four. I'm afraid this is his case, he wasn't much on doctors. Abe: Iso boils at 180, I don't think the temp goes much higher as the boil dissipates the heat very well. The boil lasted over an hour as I used more Iso than was needed. Thanks all.
 
Cory and trevor said:
Iso boils at 180, I don't think the temp goes much higher as the boil dissipates the heat very well. The boil lasted over an hour as I used more Iso than was needed. Thanks all.
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The first batch of RSO i made was done this exact same way. I used 99.8%+ alcohol and maintained the temp as low as possible right at the alcohol's boil point for about 2 hours. I had it tested at Iron Labs and to my surprise it was only about 50% decarbed.

With that said, who's to say fully decarbed is better when fighting cancer? We call know that 100% decarboxylation is the best state of cannabinoids for getting high but there is not much info i have found about how effective THCA or CBDA can be compared to THC or CBD...
 
Hey Guys,
I have been invited by Dr Pecker so let me share some personal experiences.
I am not an ISO specialist, I just use ISO to wash my sieve (bags) when I make Hash, I give away the resulting oil; I most certainly could improve my knowledge on drying and cleaning my ISO but I may simply put more money in my sieve cleaning and go with Everclear to keep it clean and simple.
Ingesting ISO in quantity ( 2 to 3 g a day) is hard on the digestive system after a while, furthermore I am not really sure if it is the best way to ingest the necessary cannabinoids. By that I mean that I believe medicinal compounds are lost when extracting.
In any case, small quantity a dozen time a day would help the system to adapt.
You seems to have plenty decarb going on, from baking the material to evaporating slowly the alcohol.
Anyway since the liver is processing the cannabinoids when ingesting, it is far from being as vital as you think.
As a topical the oil is really changing the cancerous skin cells at an amazing rate, the cleanliness of the oil and of the trims used is vital.
Keep the oil on as much as you can.
All the best
Frenchy
 
I used to make iso hash oil, but I clean it up by winterizing it. When the iso oil is done, I melt it into ever clear 190 or Klean xtract, then freeze it for 3 days, refilter and reduce again. Some of the wax or sediment stays on the glass that was holding the oil in the freezer, and some is caught by the un bleached coffee filters, but you do really get more wax out. And the resulting oil is as clean as can be. And I think safer as well. No more stomach issues that iso causes.

For ingesting we mix high cbd oil with high thc oil. And then make canna caps. A typical dose is 2ml hash oil to 1 fluid ounce of organic coconut oil, and 1/2 tsp of powdered lecithin. Lecithin is an emulsifier and makes oil particles smaller allowing for a more efficient uptake. We mix the oils and lecithin on a coffee warmer and fill size 00 gel caps with pipettes. With the amounts listed we get approx 30-34 caps of a fairly high dosage. This is a strong dose, one ml oil to one fl oz of coconut oil is a lower dose, three of hash oil to one fl oz of coconut oil would be rough for all but canna veterans.

So far we have not tried this on active cancer patients, ( i believe it would work well, remission patients like it, for what thats worth) but it works fairly well for pain and epilepsy.
 
Something else to consider when using hash oil medically is the terpene profile. I research the terpene profile of the herb used. For example super silver haze has two prominate terpenes, alpha-pinene and sabinene. Then you can research the medical properties of each with an eye towards the particular case your working with. Just another way to fine tune your meds to match the illness.
 
Here's a dumb question...

Couldn't you just do a dry ice extraction, decarb the sift, and add it to a carrier like coconut oil and ingest it like that? I guess Im just wondering what the Iso wash does, or adds to the equation aside from simply extracting the cannabinoids?

Rather than risking someone with an illness ingesting residual solvent could this be a safer alternative?

Cori, you've got a pm incoming. Seems my earlier post was deleted. :-?
 
st0wandgrow said:
Here's a dumb question...

Couldn't you just do a dry ice extraction, decarb the sift, and add it to a carrier like coconut oil and ingest it like that? I guess Im just wondering what the Iso wash does, or adds to the equation aside from simply extracting the cannabinoids?

Rather than risking someone with an illness ingesting residual solvent could this be a safer alternative?

Cori, you've got a pm incoming. Seems my earlier post was deleted. :-?
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You could do it like you mentioned but you still should filter it. Sift hash has a lot of wax. Folks use iso for the price and because it's a very good solvent for extracting. If you can afford Ethyl alcohol that would be better. But if using Iso most do a quick wash then filter in un bleached coffee filters.


And then winterize to remove all the iso, chlorophyll, plant waxes and water. This makes for a very effective and safe oil. Quite a bit stronger than non winterized, and no bite, or stomach problems.

I've made oil from water hash and dry ice sift, both work, but both are full of plant material and waxes. And I used Kleen xtract for the solvent. If you go that route, it would still help to filter and winterize. The extra work is worth it.

Edit, noticed you said extracting with coconut oil. Actually that would be an infusion. That works fairly well, and it helps to carefully measure the amounts for consistensy. Adding lecithin helps as well. The downside is your doses are hard to perfect or measure accurately. Removing the plant materials and waxes just makes a cleaner more predictable product.
 
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The main problem with all extracting processes is that you are cleaning away everything that actually created the cannabinoids.
Is it wise to eliminate part of a whole that is known for its synergy without the knowledge of what you are actually taking away.
I will link you to an amazing paper that will make you think twice about it as soon as I get to my researches.
My main computer froze to death.
We do not even know what enzymes are creating the transformation and how the magic really happen in those resin glands that are perfect to start with.
Why would you take anything away from absolute perfection if you do not have all the datas about it???

JOYEUX NOEL TO YOU ALL
 
st0wandgrow said:
Here's a dumb question...

Couldn't you just do a dry ice extraction, decarb the sift, and add it to a carrier like coconut oil and ingest it like that? I guess Im just wondering what the Iso wash does, or adds to the equation aside from simply extracting the cannabinoids?
Rather than risking someone with an illness ingesting residual solvent could this be a safer alternative? :-?
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I have taken ice water hash and infused it with glycerin or other oils, it worked fine. I don't really care for other extraction methods rso/bho/co2/dry ice. The trick is to blot your ice water hash dry as fast as possible. I guess if your real gentle and whisper to it with a french accent it will come out better, I don't know.:wink:
 
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