rory420420
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Ayauasca..btw.
Some safety tips for LSD and other Psychotropics- for beginners
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GreenSummit
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look i dont want to argue with you, obviously you had some bad experience and now feel you have a point to prove. ok i get it. yes, i understand that you can lay rc's on paper, but this is typically done with something much stronger (ie extremely active at much lower doses), not typically done with something like the chemical you mentioned which requires a ~20mg dose vs one with a ~1mg dose. so yes, in my opinion you do not know what you are talking about. you need more experience and research under your belt. even your username indicates the problems you must be having.
sounds like you need to do MORE ACID.
It's not the drugs which cause bad trips, it's the totally fucked up and twisted culture we live in that causes them.
Back in the 50's it was common practice to give LSD to schizophrenics. Thousands and thousands were dosed up in the hope it might either cure them or give some insight into their condition. It didn't help, didn't hurt.
If you look at the cultures who used halucinogens traditionally, peyote, ebena etc. there was no such interpretation of the experience as a bad trip. We are however so terrified of our unconscious however that anytime anything productive happens we consider it to be a bad trip. Wah wah, my ego died and I saw hell, I had a bad trip.
Who the hell lays 2C-X compounds anyway? That's just silly.
Back in the 50's it was common practice to give LSD to schizophrenics. Thousands and thousands were dosed up in the hope it might either cure them or give some insight into their condition. It didn't help, didn't hurt.
If you look at the cultures who used halucinogens traditionally, peyote, ebena etc. there was no such interpretation of the experience as a bad trip. We are however so terrified of our unconscious however that anytime anything productive happens we consider it to be a bad trip. Wah wah, my ego died and I saw hell, I had a bad trip.
Who the hell lays 2C-X compounds anyway? That's just silly.
GreenSummit
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THANK YOU! my point exacty.
DMTER
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pretty much hit the nail on the head when it comes to heavy experiences....I try my hardest to describe them as heavy not bad trips to new and even experienced people.....I have never had a bad trip just heavy REALLY FUCKING HEAVY trips
I totally agree that it is our fucked up culture that causes the kind of reactions to entheogens...and funny thing I think we need more and more people to consume these plants and chemicals but I feel people are less and less capable of even being introspective let alone do something with that introspection which is the whole point right....
this is a big reason why my wife and I dont have a tv and our kids only get to watch a lil bit of educational programming a day (computer) the rest is spent outside exploring, developing critical thought and letting them be kids...gotta pass the torch and I feel those of us in this culture with kids can do wonders for society....my 5 year old has been to more gatherings then I had been to by the time I was 20...the force is strong with this one
canndo
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in a way I believe I am forced to agree in principle. Drugs not placed squarely into a culture, complete with ritual, lore, (not rumor meant to disuade use), and history, drugs that are intigrated tend not to cause many problem either for the individual or the society. However, not all "bad trips" are the result of cultural expectation, bad set or setting, relative overdose, or bad or impure chemicals. Some times things simply go south, regardless of the experience or "skill" of the user.
canndo
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This is all cute, but I can't imagine carrying all of these tips in a head that has only a short time before been packed with acid. When one has trouble with the concept and perhaps the application of one's own name, it might be tough to "remember" to pull out one's cell phone and dick with it.
Also, I when it comes to acid, I can't say I would ever recomend to a new person that he mix it with anything save nicotine and perhaps a bit of THC.
rory420420
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Acid will do what it wants to do to you...too many people rely on their ego to make them feel better about the shortcoming of themselves..this is why I feel all the braggart boisterious youg ones don't wanna do lsd..they say it sucked and was a horrible time,when in reality they were forced to see what an utter cock they have been in life for about 10 whole hours or more they can't run to the saftey of their designer clothes and admiration of other assholes to make them feel better..the only thing that I feel will cure a bad trip is to get right with yourself,know who you are and not be ashamed or embarrased about your choices in life..then the fun begins with lsd.
I would recommend someone who is inexperienced ONLY do acid with 2C-B or MDMA. Doing LSD without these is asking for a bad time and some potentially ugly introspection a noob might not be ready for.
I remember crying my eyes out going through countless emotional issues and trauma of my childhood. Every horrible thing in my life dredged up and thrown in my face. Every fear and insecurity brought forth to terrorize me.
Sitting there at a friends house unable to speak anything that would make sense to a normal person.
I can see how some people might misinterpret that type of experience as a bad trip. I found it to be productive.
In general the cell phone trick works when you're mildly strange. If you're going through ego death and you have no concept of self, you should have probably stayed home and not went clubbing.
I remember crying my eyes out going through countless emotional issues and trauma of my childhood. Every horrible thing in my life dredged up and thrown in my face. Every fear and insecurity brought forth to terrorize me.
Sitting there at a friends house unable to speak anything that would make sense to a normal person.
I can see how some people might misinterpret that type of experience as a bad trip. I found it to be productive.
In general the cell phone trick works when you're mildly strange. If you're going through ego death and you have no concept of self, you should have probably stayed home and not went clubbing.
Skuxx
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Dude come on..... you are preaching this combo way too much. But you don't even seem to have a lot of experience with it.
rory420420
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I did the same on shrooms once..cried till I couldn't anymore..about picking on my brother as kids and being mean to people ect..and just like you kervork I found it usefull...
rory420420
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Also..I thought lsz and 2cb were your choice combo...
GreenSummit
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i wouldnt recommend any combos until the person is comfortable with the first compound, of course im not including thc or nicotine as i feel these can be mixed well with most things except alcohol(for me).
rory420420
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Not for your first experience...first time I rolled I took lsd with it..2nd time I rolled I took lsd and cocaine with it..you can get accustomed to a drug rather quickly..if you know how.
canndo
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I find that nicotine and opium don't mix well... At all.
rory420420
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What's the cause of that canndo?..I've never been into nicotine..opiates,in my past...
canndo
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even a mild cigar smoked shortly after a few hits of o will have me sharing my lunch with the nearest toilet. A stong cigar is ever so much worse.
CloudyWeather
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i never said smart people lay 2cs. just that ive seen it done before. with the 2cb i was more refering to the drug itself not laying it on paper per say. bad wording. and yes i have had more experience with chems on the stronger side. but ive seen a lot of people especially in clubs, with shit like 25i-nbome, 2c whatever, and laying them on paper and calling it lucy. and it just pisses me off. I apologize if im not an expert or a chemist. a lot of people arent. and i research things all the time and besides that everyone has the right to speak on experience. I didnt just make up a bunch of stories for shits and giggles. regardless if im an expert on the subject or not, i have been around it enough to know that people are trying to pull this shady shit all over the place and people should look out for it. main idea= know how to identify research chems, and stay away from them unless that's your thing. id say its a fairly decent safety tip even if it could have been delivered better. and if you think i dont know what im talking about, then simply say "hey man i think that one part is a bit inaccurate, this is what its supposed to be, just fyi.". that would have been received in a much more positive way. there is a right way and a wrong way to say everything. but as far as i can tell you seem to think that i deserved the disrespect for my supposed lack of intelligence. so in that case my sincere apologies sir.
CloudyWeather
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thank you.
CloudyWeather
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as someone on here already stated, i need to do more acid. i have had heavy trips, but never what the typical doser would consider a "bad" or heavy trip. all my experiences on acid have been nothing but pure and utter bliss and good feelings. even during situations that are more on the extreme side, ive never fallen into panic mode on cid. i dont even know if i could force myself to have that kind of heavy trip. this absence of experience has been bugging me for some time but i also feel like an experience that powerful can not be looked for but only found.
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