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Return of the Spork

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I don't really think you need the heater. You can run nute temps that high but you open yourself up to more risk of pathogens and a lower dissolved oxygen content.

Plus that isn't that cold, and you aren't feeding at night so even better.
 

Return of the Spork

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I want to start a Ebb n Flow Sog, A friend of mine has a HydroFarm Mega Garden, but all it contains is the tank and top tray. i need help finding all of the fitting and attachments for the ebb n flow system. i do have the pump though. Also could anyone tell me exactly how this thing works. does the water just fill the top tray and the plants absorb the water from below or what? Thanks
I use the ebb/flow components from htgsupply. They were cheap and work nicely compared to whatever you can find in your local hardware store.

The idea is that on a timed basis, the pump pumps water up to one of the ports in the tray, where it then fills up. The other port has a hose or tube attatched so that water has to be at a certain height for it to drain down it, this regulates your fill height so you don't overfill and drains back into the res (assuming the drain hole is big enough). When the pump turns off, the water drains back through the pump into the res. Your medium soaks up a certain amount of nutes since it has holes in the bottom of the pot and when it needs more, your timer goes back on and repeats.

It is pretty simple, just have to keep the ppm/ph at a good level and ideally block as much light as possible.
 

GypsyBush

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yeah,i got the pots (45 pots in 3x6),now i gotta get all those damn rocks out now,but i was reading on here to use 1/4 teaspoon/quart of epsom salt and can use as a foliar feed..is 30 min. Every 2-3 hrs a good feeding schedule?? All is going to be perfect today (as perfect as i can get it)...another thing,my night time temps drop to like 61f-62f from 75-77f during day..so i put a very small heater in there and at night now itll have the night temps a little higher than day (80-82f) this should be ok right??
If you use a complete hydroponic fertilizer.. you need no additives...

And I am not a fan of foliar feeding AT ALL, since it raises the RH too much, inviting mold and other problems...

Ditch the heater... you need a temperature drop to simulate the cool Fall nights... I would at least hook the heater up to a thermostat so it does not drop below 65F.. BUT YOU DEFF. WANT A LOWER TEMP AT NIGHT...

I want to start a Ebb n Flow Sog, A friend of mine has a HydroFarm Mega Garden, but all it contains is the tank and top tray. i need help finding all of the fitting and attachments for the ebb n flow system. i do have the pump though. Also could anyone tell me exactly how this thing works. does the water just fill the top tray and the plants absorb the water from below or what? Thanks
It works about like this... courtesy of AL B. Fuct...

oh and it is a gif.. make sure you watch the animation...:eyesmoke:



As for the fittings.. you can BUY at the hydro shop or make your own...

I have both a homemade set up and a store bought and they both work flawlessly....

I don't really think you need the heater. You can run nute temps that high but you open yourself up to more risk of pathogens and a lower dissolved oxygen content.

Plus that isn't that cold, and you aren't feeding at night so even better.
Yup... Keep the days pleasant and the nights cool...

I use the ebb/flow components from htgsupply. They were cheap and work nicely compared to whatever you can find in your local hardware store.

The idea is that on a timed basis, the pump pumps water up to one of the ports in the tray, where it then fills up. The other port has a hose or tube attatched so that water has to be at a certain height for it to drain down it, this regulates your fill height so you don't overfill and drains back into the res (assuming the drain hole is big enough). When the pump turns off, the water drains back through the pump into the res. Your medium soaks up a certain amount of nutes since it has holes in the bottom of the pot and when it needs more, your timer goes back on and repeats.

It is pretty simple, just have to keep the ppm/ph at a good level and ideally block as much light as possible.
Agreed... HTG has taken really good care of me...

But...

With that said..

I have a 2'x3' homemade ebb/flow tray/res that cost me less than $50 sitting next to a $120 tray and a $100 res...

They both work beautifully, though I will say the longevity expectancy is greater with the hydro supplies vs rubbermaid pruducts...

bongsmilie
 

GypsyBush

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yeah,i got the pots (45 pots in 3x6)...

is 30 min. Every 2-3 hrs a good feeding schedule??
What are using for media...?

Any RW present?

Hydroton?

RR?

Give us a little more info please...

I feed for 15 minutes every hour during lights on... no flood at night...

But that is a bit extreme, some might say...

But I keep the RW and RR well above the flood level... leaving only the clay pellets and roots to get wet...

Have you read Al's threads?

They are long, but they sure are worth the read...

Best of luck... :bigjoint:
 

onthedl0008

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Thats awesome man been sitting here looking at this


like a :dunce:

:wall:

Wonder if i could build a small one. It would be very simple to keep the res cool.
 

grandpabear3

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the problem i once the oerflow overflows/doesn't evap quick enough your fucked
no your not... the rest of the solution will feed back through the pump via gravity. takes about 6-8 minutes.

that will nnever be a problem in fliood tables. otherwise they would suck
 

livesoul

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The only problem i could forsee is if YOU DID do the fittings yourself and you made the overflow too narrow. Narrow enough so that the water doesn't drain as fast as the water is pumped up. Even then though your rez should run out of water before it floods over the tray. Otherwise your using too much water and have too large of a rez.
 

doogleef

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Not true. My res would fill my table 5 or 6 times over. Anyone who makes DIY fittings (std fitting are $6 set at the dro store 1/2 or 3/4) and does not use at least 1/2 tubing for overflow deserves what they get.
 

GypsyBush

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Thats awesome man been sitting here looking at this


like a :dunce:

:wall:

Wonder if i could build a small one. It would be very simple to keep the res cool.
Yes You Can... simple as that...

I made one with 2 rubbermaid totes... 1 for the ree and I cut the other one to make the tray...

The tray sits on top of the lid so any leaks from my homemade fottings is contained by the lip on the lid and directed to the res below via small holes on the lid...

I have a sufficient diameter overflow pipe for the size pump I am using and I have had ZERO issues with leaks or otherwise ...

I'll find the pics and come bac to show you what I did...

But Sparks here uses hpmemade trays... well rubbermaid trays...lol...

the problem i once the oerflow overflows/doesn't evap quick enough your fucked
The problem I once cannot understand what the hell you meant...

but what I did, sounds wrong...

no your not... the rest of the solution will feed back through the pump via gravity. takes about 6-8 minutes.

that will nnever be a problem in fliood tables. otherwise they would suck
Right...

It is a very simple system... if you cannot understand how it works by that picture... maybe this is not for you....

The only problem i could forsee is if YOU DID do the fittings yourself and you made the overflow too narrow. Narrow enough so that the water doesn't drain as fast as the water is pumped up. Even then though your rez should run out of water before it floods over the tray. Otherwise your using too much water and have too large of a rez.
Well...

Why would you make too narrow?

And if you did, why would you not change it after the test run...?

And if you didn;t do a test run... well then... uh...

I have, as stated above, a homemade system that does not leak or cause any problems....

I also prefer having a larger res, as it is more stable...

My res carries enough water to fill the tray AT LEAST 3 times... and I have had ZERO issues...

PROPER PLANNING PREVENTS PISS POOR PERFORMANCE

With that said... I'll go find the pics now...:bigjoint:
 

Wohjew

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im trying ebb and flow for the first time s.o.g in rw. The cubes i got are 4x4x 2.5inchs tall should i be using 4x4x4 in cubes? 64 per tray. btw this is my first post and this site is awsome
 

Return of the Spork

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I ended up hating the RW cubes. I used 6 inchers to begin with, and I ended up cutting them in half and letting the roots grow into hydroton.

what medium you use is going to be a matter of opinion. But I prefer hydroton over RW thusfar. Can flood it more without worry of overwatering, plus the PH of the RW doesn't stay the same as the nute solution over a long period of time, so that is a variable you would need to watch out for.

But to answer your question, the 4 inchers would be better if you intend on staying with RW as your medium.
 

CustomHydro

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Nicely engineered Gypsy!
Here is the program I use, thanks to ABF.
View attachment 325591
I use my res pump to flood the tables and I also use my res pump to drain the resevoirs of used nute solution. I have each pump running to a table (with an on and off valve) and a drain hose (with an on and off valve), so when I turn the valve off for the tables and on for the drain hose my pumps will pump the water thru the drain hose that is placved in the sink or tub to drain. I'm so lazy...
Then I also have a pump that sits in my RO res and when a table gets a nute change all i do is turn that pump on to fill the res back up with clean water. This makes life sooo much easier! Highly recomended...:bigjoint:
 

sparkafire

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spark tooo high to think bout what u saying...sorry if i upset ya life of posting or ya precious ebb and flow page lol,so anyway i think i may have a mg defiency...is it better to foliar feed with epsom salt or to mix in with nutes?..and whats the ratio of epsom salt to be added?
Nope not upset at all, your post here reflects that you are a smart and educated guy. I am just wondering now why you seemed to have the need to dumb yourself down with the slang and bullshit in your posts.

When your in a strange place always do what the natives are doing if you don't you will stick out like some gibbering wannbe gang banger record producer that wants to grow weed.

My point has been made and i wish you all the best in your grow.

Sparky:weed:
 

grandpabear3

New Member
Not true. My res would fill my table 5 or 6 times over. Anyone who makes DIY fittings (std fitting are $6 set at the dro store 1/2 or 3/4) and does not use at least 1/2 tubing for overflow deserves what they get.
well .......i agree that if you do not do your homework, ie, read...then you slap something together with the wrong components and we told you so then yes.....you deserve it as much as sparkafire deserves a doorknob up jis bumm
Nicely engineered Gypsy!
Here is the program I use, thanks to ABF.
I use my res pump to flood the tables and I also use my res pump to drain the resevoirs of used nute solution. I have each pump running to a table (with an on and off valve) and a drain hose (with an on and off valve), so when I turn the valve off for the tables and on for the drain hose my pumps will pump the water thru the drain hose that is placved in the sink or tub to drain. I'm so lazy...
i got mine set up similar to that.
https://www.rollitup.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=325917&d=1234646293

Then I also have a pump that sits in my RO res and when a table gets a nute change all i do is turn that pump on to fill the res back up with clean water. This makes life sooo much easier! Highly recomended...:bigjoint:
hey, how big is your ro res?

Nope not upset at all, your post here reflects that you are a smart and educated guy. I am just wondering now why you seemed to have the need to dumb yourself down with the slang and bullshit in your posts.

When your in a strange place always do what the natives are doing if you don't you will stick out like some gibbering wannbe gang banger record producer that wants to grow weed.

My point has been made and i wish you all the best in your grow.

Sparky:weed:
we are all proud of you....that is as close to nice as ive ever seen you.
 

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GypsyBush

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Oh! I am so glad we can ALL be friends...

CH thanks for the props but there isn't much to it at all... I think a 4 year old could look at Al's .gif and build one.... but what do I know?????:eyesmoke:

And stay tuned.. I am working on another ridiculous photo update....

bongsmilie
 

GypsyBush

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Is that your molasses flush tank????? :eyesmoke:



Shit looks scary man..... like the Swamp Thing is about to crawl out and shit...

Is that how your solution looks normally?????bongsmilie
 
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