So who here is growing in true organic living soil?

Murfy said:

does that SHIT-

make any sense. too anybody?lol. far out right?

i didnt really order the avid and super soil.

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DONT complicate it....

ndogg said:

are there any other things guys are using to introduce sugars to bacterium with success. i'd imagine the tea would be white, or clearish.

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I use fruit juice from my juicer. I have also used honey, and agave nectar. Although I still use a 1 Tbls. Of molasses with these.

http://www.microbeorganics.com/[/QUOTE]

any and all sugar forms are acceptable....yucca?
awesome you mix it up....!!

try using different sugar sources...yes fructose and other things....
-i know folks swear by finishing their OGs w pineapple juice.....how bout that michigan cherry concentrate...?

Javadog said:

Please do not parrot government noise here.

If there is anything at all unwise about the manner in which
our member is using these dunks, then please do chime in with
a clear warning. We will all appreciate the effort, right or wrong.

But reminding us of the typical "butt covering" legalese that
we are so forced to use that no one even pays attention to them
any more is not useful.

What do you call 100 Lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

JD

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Misquito dunks are just a certain brand of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacillus_thuringiensis

buy it in raw form where available.......?
most use 'misquito dunks'

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heres some more links murf.....funny if you notice these topics are covered in other threads and on other forums.....

Heres some more info......that soil in your backyard will be 10X better (imo) than subcool bags-




https://growguide.opengrow.com/Beneficial_Indigenous_Organisms_(BIM)


http://www.eco-philippines.com/culturing-beneficial-indigenous-microorganisms-2-in-1-approach-part-1/


https://www.rollitup.org/organics/762400-beneficial-indigenous-micro-organisms-bim-2.html


Unless a topsoil mix is therefore steam pasteurized or sterilized, there will always be a certain level of disease causing organisms present. However, these same natural topsoil mixes will more than likely contain a high population level of beneficial soil microorganisms; particularly if high in organic matter content.


Heres your 'list'---of specific strains---->


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=242127






http://www.gardeningwithmicrobes.com/aact.shtml


http://www.scdprobiotics.com/Agriculture_s/311.htm


http://www.aactorganic.com






You are wanting 'pro-biotics' growing info--


http://gro-kashi.com


(I see 'gandalf' the green is in here)


--->> https://gagegreen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&p=31514


https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/733927-prolific-plant-probiotic-cannabis-test-4.html






http://www.hawaiihealingtree.org/how-to-make-your-own-em-1-inoculant-and-bokashi/






http://microbeorganics.com

"we are forced to use"-

you mean consumer, right?

anyway. instant potato flakes is what ive decided to run the next test with. kinda milky white?

all pesticide derived from this method, after the normal bs, use the term not usable for research. what research?

thanks for listening.

Javadog said:

What do you call 100 Lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

JD

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----> ' A good start......'

here's the gem-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=242127


graph is not complex.just look for a minute. qauntum mechanics, that's a tough chart.

thanks for all the cool links guys.

Murfy said:

cool answer-

good link. thanks man. it says in there, rice or potato wash. didn't even think of that. great idea and i already knew it. thanks for the memory jog.

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I'm trying brown rice right now, some ground, some whole grain. My hopes is to get more fungal growth in my tea. I sprinkled some of the ground brown rice on the top of my soil mix and the mycelium has almost completely covered it.

Murph- Not sure what's up but this maybe gives me an excuse to say my general BIM tenate : Whatever microbes you need are in your yard already. They have beaten out all comers and hold the high ground. They are the best for you.

So in my mind when building a soil (especially from your own VCompost) these microbes are already there, in the flavor we want. The plant will then take control and blend the microbial neighborhood exactly as it wants. Fungus / bacteria ratio is in the plants control. The plant shifts the balance of power in the microbial universe by favoring those microbes it wants. Plant exudates are an example of how the plant nurtures only the microbes that it wants / needs. This favoritism creates an imbalance in the microbial hierarchy and can tend to force down the populations of microbes not given Most Favored Microbe status by the plant.

So I just add water

Guys some of my plants are starting to yellow pretty bad in the 3rd week. Im wondering if its a potassium deficiency ?

Its strange, its only one strain, the other is frickin loving the soil, im sure this can happen,,,,,,but why me

Soil doesn't have deficiencies unless you left out something major - like dirt. Another plug for fresh Vermicompost.

Not an overwatering is it? If not overwatering for sure, then I'd make a slurry of Worm castings or worm compost (better) or at least compost. Drink this, then chop the plant.

Kidding.

I see that more from N burn than N def....where is the yellowing happening?

All over?

JD

Speaking of yellow- Anyone interested should google PCB-11. It's in most yellow colored products

Javadog said:

I see that more from N burn than N def....where is the yellowing happening?

All over?

JD

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Yes on one strain only, all have the same soil?

Has anyone heard of using Alfalfa meal to melt ice? Anyone tried it? I don't want to put down salt down cause I don't want it seeping into my soil and I heard this was an alternative .

Someacdude said:

Yes on one strain only, all have the same soil?

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Well all over might mean that the soil is just a little bit too rich
for the plant, or so I am suggesting.

I saw this when I tried using a dry feed (MaxiBloom) for the first time.

I use a hempy mix, and was able to flush. In soil I am thinking that the
plants will just adapt and that the soil will continue to cook.

Good luck,

JD

Hot soil sure could be it. It's hard to wait while soil cooks. One chunk of hot, unfinished N-source can burn a plant.

ROLS eliminates this. So does a vermicomposting operation.

ok-

but what if. the bacteria found underneath an old distillery in jamaica are the shit? we don't have them here, but they could be introduced, albeit maybe only indoors. does this bacteria have other benefits from manufacturing bio toxins. would commercial bio toxic teas still contain live bacteria? could they be cultured?

i think you know where im going.

Thanks guys, i think you are right about the soil being hot, i have to admit it didnt cook as long as i wanted it to, timing was off.
So im guessing this will just correct itself after awhile.
Still strange it is only happening with one strain, but i think you are right.

SomeCA- Some strains are a lot tougher than others. Like a little plant is really sensitive, some stay sensitive. Fully composted matter is always cool and easy on even seedlings.

Murphy- I hear you on the bacteria isolated from the distillery. Personally, that's nice but unnecessary. If it were necessary, it would be in our backyard.

vermicompost is one of the biggies to arm a plant's immune-response. The system is always on and the plant is prepared for predation. It's a natural thing. Combine that with some simple microbes that are around anyway, like BTI. Maybe some Chitinase producing bacteria.

After that, it's predatory Nematodes or Hypoaspis mites for me.

sure-

you. but not all are you. also, im just learning. mistakes will teach me. gotta swing the hammer sonn, type of thing. so you're saying they are indigenous microbes that produce this same effect? but maybe not as easily cultured, or as efficient? why would the distillery discovery be so important?

thanks for the answers.

also to note-

"they" claim that particular beastie has never been found again in the natural. even under the distillery. that would seem odd to me. do these bacteria breed. can hybrids be created?

There's no need for exotic bacterium from far off lands. I've always viewed that as simply a marketing ploy.

There's no need to try and manipulate the microbes at all. Nature has provided everything right in our back yard.