Canna Sylvan
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Ad populum does nothing for your argument. It only proves the masses are hysterical over the same bullshit.
So how about banning all semi-automatic weapons?
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canndo
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Ahwhat? We are taling about mass shootings, not mass knifings (except of course for that valient chineese effort), we are talking about the latest shooting of a couple of dozen kindergardeners and not the crime rate of New York City. While I can see why you would wish to divert the conversation to something more theoretical, the discussion I' am attempting to have doesn't go there.
Or are all of those people wrong in being just a tad hysterical about that incident, the most recent in a rather long and rather recent set of SHOOTINGS.
The UK is the most violent country in all of Europe, it isn't a safe place to live. At all. 400% more violent crime than USA, I know you don't mind being knifed, paralyzed, beaten, had your legs broken or are nearly beaten to death, as long as you aren't shot is all that counts. BHut don't worry about it, becasue you won't be able to defend yourself from the big bad mean guy who is going to knock all your teeth out and blind you and disfigure you, don't worry its only going to be like that for the rest of your life, be glad he didn't shoot you to death, you wouldn't be able to enjoy this wonderful life you have now. Let me know when you are getting beaten how much you would like it if you had a gun.
Canna Sylvan
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NoDrama,
Somalia rocks! Why do you think Bucky recommends all Ayn Rand fans move there. Because it has such a low homicide rate, of course, duh!
Somalia rocks! Why do you think Bucky recommends all Ayn Rand fans move there. Because it has such a low homicide rate, of course, duh!
Ad Populum- where a proposition is claimed to be true or good merely because many people believe it is so.
canndo
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You are missing the point - as long as I am not intentionaly murdered. You don't seem to accept those stats and you don't seem to accept that they are the only ones that really matter when we are talking about..... murder, fatal shootings. Your hypberbole being what it is has nothing to do with those stats.
canndo
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No.
We are talking about the national topic of the day. There is no propsition claimed to be true or good. If a majority of the people are talking about a particular topic then the fact is that particular topic is being talked about by the majority.
Any search on gun violence of late will net you thousands of references to the kindergarden shooting and perhaps a few on New York crime stats and those only ancilary to.... the kindergarden shooting.
Yours is akin to discussing the lincoln debates when the rest of us are having a dialog on the election of Obama vs Romney.
I think it is you who are missing the point. I can name 20+ nations right now that have more gun control than the USA yet have a intentional homicide rate 5-20 times higher than the USA rate. your argument fails completely in the light of these facts.
I wasn't trying to argue with you , I was letting you know what it meant since you didn't know.
canndo
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And you are missing the point. I'll say it again, I was asked for the stats on those three countries - if you wish to present something else, do so. Also, regardless of that, I did not state that there is any correlation but you seem to think there is. I don't think there is any correlation when the comparison is taken out of the context of the culture and society where the violence occurs.
Canna Sylvan
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This whole "mass shootings" is all slight of hand. Maybe we should ban Flavor Aid? Jim Jones murdered over 200 children with a soft drink!
It was Jim Jones' Mother's fault.
How exactly did Vietnam beat us and how did a few thousand Muslims play beatass on us when they were outnumbered 100 to1. Our soldiers will lose the will to fight when nothing is to be gained and they still have to fight. It happens over and over again in history.
If someone steals your guns, what difference does it make if you report it? There is no database, btw. Most states don't have registration. I own dozens of guns and there might be a dozen historic rifles that I bought under a FFL. The rest are untraceable.
If we outlaw everything that isn't needed then we wouldn't have a whole hell of a lot.
Ideally, you wouldn't stand in formation with other people who are rebelling and fire at tanks with rifles. You hide in the trees and shoot the escorting soldiers. I am willing to bet that a couple of us in this conversation know how to make sticky bombs that can disable a tank's tracks.
Tanks are like bases. You don't take the bases, you just make life miserable for those inside.
Sometimes inaction is better than action, especially when the ones taking action are incompetent. Have you ever went to fix something that had something wrong with it and ended up trashing it altogether even though it worked previously albeit incorrectly?
Oh, so when we count government murders all murders aren't attributed to all governments but when you count gun deaths all gun deaths are attributed to all guns. I see. Hypocrite. The reason those governments killed so many people is because people like you gave more and more power to them to feel safe. They never start out as tyrannical murdering nutbags. Government = genocide machine.
My 'assault weapons' or 'evil black guns' or 'hi cap magazines' never killed anyone - why would you hold my guns accountable for ones some nutbag stole and used to kill people?
I forget to actually show you. We killed millions of Germans after the war while we occupied their country. Women and children for the most part. We purposefully starved them to death when we had the food to keep them from dying. They were our citizens because we were their government at the time.
How well does that stuff work against a population that is fed up? The answer: not very fucking well. We couldn't even beat Vietnam BECAUSE they didn't have a military to beat.