So, anyone else think they're making a BIG mistake by bringing the war into Pakistan?

ZenMaster said:

We have the air power, thats all you need.

If we were to war, we'd have all their communications, intelligence, and radar knocked out by noon. The army of Pakistan would be crippled and the only thing they'd have left is guerrilla warfare.

As far as an actual "war" would go, it would probably be the same as Iraq. 2 Weeks. Tops.

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Is that why we can't win in Afghanistan and Iraq? We have military domination but we can't control and monitor routes to keep the area sealed off.

If air power is "all you need." Why the fuck do we send in troops?

ZenMaster said:

We have the air power, thats all you need

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With this statement it shows how ignorant you are when it comes to warfare and the history of warfare itself......................................also if you don't think guerrilla warfare is "actual war" take a trip and see the 58,000 names on the Vietnam memorial.

HotNSexyMILF said:

If you don't know what I'm talking about goto google news and type in "pakistan us attacks"...

Their government is NOT happy about the 20+ citizens killed because the US crossed over the Pakistan border..

Seriously, what the fuck are these idiots in charge thinking?!

This shyt seriously needs to stop, I really hope the military stops stepping on Pakistan's land before they fight back.

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While I don't even agree with the premise of going there, I think that in the here and now we can't even afford it. We're working on going bankrupt fighting a couple little countries that are pretty much third world at this point.

Plus, how many people died on 9/11? We have literally killed hundreds of thousands of people mostly civilians. If THAT isn't terrorism(or at the very least extremely vindictive), i have no idea what is...

cleatis said:

Plus, how many people died on 9/11? We have literally killed hundreds of thousands of people mostly civilians. If THAT isn't terrorism(or at the very least extremely vindictive), i have no idea what is...

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Exactly. Our foreign policy is horrible. We are the terrorists.

Try like over a million casualties in Iraq.. most of them civilians.. mothers, children, people's brothers, sisters, fathers, aunts, uncles... It seriously breaks my heart that as Americans we let them commit this murder in our names... yet, most of you do NOTHING- who gives a shit right? What's on tv, the newest movie, what you will wear today- these things are more important right?

Ever watch the footage from this war? I seriously make a point to watch these videos often- I can't watch a single one without weeping. Seeing a mother hold her dying child in her arms screaming- I seriously imagine if that were me, and I can't handle the thought. You see this footage of families huttled in a house with nothing- listening to bombs going off, hoping one doesn't take out their house that night. Do you imagine what that's like? This is the reality that we are letting happen every single day in our name.

HotNSexyMILF said:

Try like over a million casualties in Iraq.. most of them civilians.. mothers, children, people's brothers, sisters, fathers, aunts, uncles... It seriously breaks my heart that as Americans we let them commit this murder in our names... yet, most of you do NOTHING- who gives a shit right? What's on tv, the newest movie, what you will wear today- these things are more important right?

Ever watch the footage from this war? I seriously make a point to watch these videos often- I can't watch a single one without weeping. Seeing a mother hold her dying child in her arms screaming- I seriously imagine if that were me, and I can't handle the thought. You see this footage of families huttled in a house with nothing- listening to bombs going off, hoping one doesn't take out their house that night. Do you imagine what that's like? This is the reality that we are letting happen every single day in our name.

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Absolutely, the whole thing is bullshit, and so few actually do anything about it. There are no demonstrations and the few we see are small in comparison. It's sad to the point of revolting that we would rather think about the Spears baby, or the next episode of "hole in the Wall". It's just a political power trip.

Well, I'm doing something about it -- I'm voting for the guy who didn't want us to be in Iraq in the first place, and who wants us out as quickly as feasible and concentrating on our OWN problems. Charity begins at home. Iraq is $80 billion in the black; they're doing waaaay better than we are, seeing as we're $10.5 trillion in the red, not counting long-term obligations.

Who says he didn't want us to go? Obama? LOL.. he wasn't even there to vote when the original decision was made.. hindsight is 20/20..lol..

though he has continued to fund the war since he has been in office..

I think he was referring to Ron Paul

HotNSexyMILF said:

Try like over a million casualties in Iraq.. most of them civilians.. mothers, children, people's brothers, sisters, fathers, aunts, uncles... It seriously breaks my heart that as Americans we let them commit this murder in our names... yet, most of you do NOTHING- who gives a shit right? What's on tv, the newest movie, what you will wear today- these things are more important right?

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There are antiwar demonstrations all the time; they are just not getting covered by the MSM. Most people are glued to the tv and are being controlled. People bitch every day about their jobs then wake up early to get there the next day and often go in sick. We are not meant to work like that. That is the lie. You don't have to buy all the shit we keep buying. The Bush Administration does whatever it wants to do with or without the American publics consent. It is when we take to the streets and demonstrate civil disobedience, not violence, when all of this will change. The military and the police are human too...some just forget it when they assume the roles society has made for them. If we sit in the streets and meditate and refuse to move and endure their threats, their tear gas, that is when they will realize what they are doing. We have to get a large organized movement first. I think Ron Paul started the ball rolling and this year Obama will win the Presidency. We have to endure 4 more years of the same with either candidate. Then I think the majority of Americans will wake up and we will have a collaborated movement. It will all come to a head soon we just can't lose patience until then.

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There are antiwar demonstrations all the time; they are just not getting covered by the MSM. Most people are glued to the tv and are being controlled. People bitch every day about their jobs then wake up early to get there the next day and often go in sick. We are not meant to work like that. That is the lie. You don't have to buy all the shit we keep buying. The Bush Administration does whatever it wants to do with or without the American publics consent. It is when we take to the streets and demonstrate civil disobedience, not violence, when all of this will change. The military and the police are human too...some just forget it when they assume the roles society has made for them. If we sit in the streets and meditate and refuse to move and endure their threats, their tear gas, that is when they will realize what they are doing. We have to get a large organized movement first. I think Ron Paul started the ball rolling and this year Obama will win the Presidency. We have to endure 4 more years of the same with either candidate. Then I think the majority of Americans will wake up and we will have a collaborated movement. It will all come to a head soon we just can't lose patience until then.

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I hear ya man- that's why I said most.. there are a good amount of us doing shyt.. but most of Americans aren't.. exactly, they're tied to the tv and care only about their little bubble of reality..

i think everyone will do what their doing now. jack shit. i dont think theres going to be any mass uproar of change. i dont think that anybody is going to listen to what any of us have to say simply because we're out numbered by the sheep and the sphepards too do good of a job. none of this blogging posting matters cause when its all said and done we're just gonna smoke a blunt and watch the world metaphorically burn like our grass. i would hope that im wrong. every president who said theyre going to do something different goes into office and totally shits on the ideals he may have once held dear to him.

history is constantly repeating itself.

first it was communists. now its terrorists. its exactly the same thing if you go back and look at it. the same damn thing. it just makes you wondeer what their excuse will be in the next 50 years but no matter what it is its the same old shit with a new kind of smell.

Crumbles said:

i think everyone will do what their doing now. jack shit. i dont think theres going to be any mass uproar of change. i dont think that anybody is going to listen to what any of us have to say simply because we're out numbered by the sheep and the sphepards too do good of a job. none of this blogging posting matters cause when its all said and done we're just gonna smoke a blunt and watch the world metaphorically burn like our grass. i would hope that im wrong. every president who said theyre going to do something different goes into office and totally shits on the ideals he may have once held dear to him.

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I disagree. The "sheep" are not zombies. They are capable of waking up and realizing what is going on. Alan Greenspan recently said that our economy is the worst he had ever seen. Meanwhile Mccain is telling everyone our economy is strong. I would take Greenspans word over that old limey bastards any day. The blogging is working. If it wasn't working no one would even know who Ron Paul is. Like I said we will have four more years of the same old shit if it is Obama or McCain. The change and the uprising won't be instantaneous it will be like a tsunami...small and as it crashes it will be massive. We all still have our guns...they just have us convinced we can't use them.

U.S. says Pakistan shot at U.S. copters in Afghanistan

Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:48pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two NATO helicopters fired upon by Pakistani forces on Thursday were U.S. military aircraft operating inside Afghanistan, the Pentagon said.
"They were U.S. helicopters," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters at a briefing. "The flight path of the helicopters at no point took them over Pakistan."
A Pakistani military spokesman said the helicopters had crossed the border into Pakistani territory, while Pakistan's president, Asif Ali Zardari, denied troops had shot at the helicopters, insisting that only warning flares had been fired.".....


U.S. says Pakistan shot at U.S. copters in Afghanistan | Reuters


surprise surprise..

HotNSexyMILF said:

U.S. says Pakistan shot at U.S. copters in Afghanistan

Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:48pm EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Two NATO helicopters fired upon by Pakistani forces on Thursday were U.S. military aircraft operating inside Afghanistan, the Pentagon said.
"They were U.S. helicopters," Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters at a briefing. "The flight path of the helicopters at no point took them over Pakistan."
A Pakistani military spokesman said the helicopters had crossed the border into Pakistani territory, while Pakistan's president, Asif Ali Zardari, denied troops had shot at the helicopters, insisting that only warning flares had been fired.".....


U.S. says Pakistan shot at U.S. copters in Afghanistan | Reuters


surprise surprise..

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Maybe, maybe not. At this point I'm not about to trust anything that comes from the white house, especially when they try to justify a war they already want. That's what sucks about it imo, because if they really did shoot at us, we have some right to do something about it, but if they didn't the white house people are going to say otherwise because they already want to war with pakistan and they have said as much.

we would not have a right if they were in pakistani airspace...there is a little thing called national sovereignty...of course the Bush administration does not believe that international law or rules of war apply to them. If we are in their airspace they can shoot at us it is that simple. Why do you think there are things called no fly zones?

Pakistan has been warning us to stay the fuck out of their country- they've had over 100 citizens die over the past year because of the US bringing their war in Afghanistan over the borders..

Man read the whole thread or do some research on what's been going on...

Sheeple.. the government could sell a war to all of them.. "omg Pakistan just started shooting us for no reason, we can't let this happen. KILL THEM ALL."..

The Press Association: Pakistan warning over US incursions

Pakistan warning over US incursions

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Pakistan has warned US troops not to intrude on its territory, after the two anti-terror allies traded fire along the volatile border with Afghanistan.
Thursday's five-minute clash adds to already heightened tensions at a time the United States is stepping up cross-border operations in a region known as a haven for Taliban and al Qaida militants.
The clash - the first serious exchange with Pakistani forces acknowledged by the US - follows a string of other alleged border incidents and incursions that have angered many Pakistanis.
Speaking in New York, Pakistan's president tried to play down the incident, saying only "flares" were fired at foreign helicopters that he said strayed into his country from Afghanistan.
US and Nato military officials said the ground troops and helicopters were in Afghan territory.
Pakistani government spokesman Akram Shaheedi urged US-led coalition forces "not to violate territorial sovereignty of Pakistan as it is counterproductive to the war on terror.
The clash occurred as new Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari was in New York meeting with US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and Afghan President Hamid Karzai is scheduled to meet with US President George Bush.
Two American OH-58 reconnaissance helicopters were on a routine patrol in the eastern province of Khost when they received small arms fire from the Pakistani border post, said Tech Sergeant Kevin Wallace, a US military spokesman in Bagram, Afghanistan.