Snow4aaron's 1st Grow 400HPS White Widow/White Deisel

snow4aaron

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I took some new pics this morning. I added 5 gallons on PHed H2O a couple days ago. It brought the PPM to 1430. The PH has been fluctuating some and I correct it when necessary.

We are almost half way through week 7! I can't believe how close it is to harvest time!

I am planning on reducing the nutrient levels again for week 8. Any ideas?

I think the White Deisel runts will be ready before the White Widow.
 

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BlackRoses

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Man those are some beautiful buds..
Your PPM should be around 1100 in week 8 so you can flush in week 9 and 10 for that White Widow..
I think if you're harvesting the WD at week 9 you should have been flushing already.
The buds will keep on swelling even after you stop the nutes.. don't worry about that.. and those need atleast another week of flowering.. Don't let the package details fool you and chop them after 8 weeks unready.. make sure they're truly ready cause that's one nice looking smoke there aaron,

Cheers mate..
 

snow4aaron

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So, 2 weeks of flush, huh. I have heard of 1 week but not 2. I am going to try and wait until they are very ripe. I definitely don't want to harvest too early.
 

jigfresh

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So, 2 weeks of flush, huh. I have heard of 1 week but not 2. I am going to try and wait until they are very ripe. I definitely don't want to harvest too early.
2 week flush is fine. I prefer it (in all my experience... yeah right). No need to feed them till the end... they should be loaded up with enough to see them though. You could probably flush them for 3 weeks and not notice any drop off in production. One thing I learned with my second grow is that the nutes aren't what's holding the plants back. It's not like they have all they light they can take... all he co2 they can handle... but need more nutrients to really grow. More the opposite... I think if anything it's better to give them less nutes to save money on buying them.

Plants are looking great by the way. You can barely see the plants under all the pistils. White Widow indeed.
 

cruzer101

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I agree with Jig for the most part. Its the genetics not the nutrients that make the potency of the smoke. The brand of nutrients does effect the taste though. I found that out in the nutrient challenge.

IMO flushing is not set to a specific time frame. You want to flush until you get the nutes out. Some plants or systems do this faster then others. I know when to stop because I start with Zero ppms and measure the ppms of the res while I am doing it. When it gets under 100ppms for two days I turn the lights and water off and wait 2 more days. Then cut.


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jigfresh

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I start with Zero ppms and measure the ppms of the res while I am doing it. When it gets under 100ppms for two days I turn the lights and water off and wait 2 more days. Then cut.
Hey cruzer... can you explain this a little? I feel like there has got to be a better way of telling what the plants are doing near the end, and this sounds like at least you are watching something... you know. Instead of being "well they look about 2 weeks away, guess I'll flush"

Hope you don't mind us using your thread aaron. It should help anyways. :bigjoint:
 

BlackRoses

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Hey cruzer... can you explain this a little? I feel like there has got to be a better way of telling what the plants are doing near the end, and this sounds like at least you are watching something... you know. Instead of being "well they look about 2 weeks away, guess I'll flush"

Hope you don't mind us using your thread aaron. It should help anyways. :bigjoint:
Well I'd hate to talk on behalf of cruzer, but I'll give it a try..
When growing hydroponically you can use a ppm meter to measure the strength of your rez. right? What he does is to lower the ppm of the rez. and keep checking it daily. When he notices that his plants are using up all the nutes he'll add more (cause they're still growing).. if he starts to notice that the ppm is not getting lower as quickly as it used to, then is when he should also start lowering his nutrient strength and when the added dosage is so low and the plants are still not using everything, this should be the right time to cut cause there's no more growing left.
During this process the reservoir should be flushed on a weekly basis in order to keep the measurements correct.

Hmmm I hope that was explained correctly.. :eyesmoke:


And to answer your question aaron,... I think 2 weeks before harvest is the right time to start flushing..
I've done 1 week and trust me, it's not nearly enough..
My first grow ever tasted like some sort of burned plastic sometimes (all depends on which part of the plant I was smoking I think).. And that was all because I only flushed 5 days incl. 1 major flush (3x the pot size).
2 weeks + 1 major flush is what I recommend you do too..
 

cruzer101

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Sure no problem.

Although I followed directions flushing my first couple grows I still tasted the nutrients untill I did this. It seems to be more accutate.

I start with distilled or R/O water instead of tap so I can start with little or no salts, so zero ppm.

I use about half the amount of water I usually do cause I am just going to toss it in a couple days. I water it for two days and measure the PPM of the water. This is the amount of nutrients I have removed from the plant. Say its 700 ppm.

I toss it and start again zero ppm. wait two days and check, PPM will be like 350, toss it start again, 2 days later ppms 100, toss it start again PPM 100 or less then I know I got enough out so it will taste fine and no snap crackle pop going on. Some times it takes longer, depends on the medium and the strain but thats an average scenario.

Does that help some?

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cruzer101

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Well I'd hate to talk on behalf of cruzer, but I'll give it a try..
When growing hydroponically you can use a ppm meter to measure the strength of your rez. right? What he does is to lower the ppm of the rez. and keep checking it daily. When he notices that his plants are using up all the nutes he'll add more (cause they're still growing).. if he starts to notice that the ppm is not getting lower as quickly as it used to, then is when he should also start lowering his nutrient strength and when the added dosage is so low and the plants are still not using everything, this should be the right time to cut cause there's no more growing left.
During this process the reservoir should be flushed on a weekly basis in order to keep the measurements correct.

Hmmm I hope that was explained correctly.. :eyesmoke:
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Close, but no bananna

We were talking about removing stored nutrients in a plant at the end of its growth cycle.

Durring a plants cycle if ph is correct the plant will use the nutrients and expell plant salts. Nutrients are salts so both are measured together with a PPM meter.

Plants use water and nutes. The plants give off salts too and you cant measure the difference between nutrients and plant salts its all PPM.

So as your water level goes down you want the same PPM. Its going to rise so you add water then ph. once you have added the same amount of water as the res holds over time its time to start over. This is why it is recomended to change out your res with new nutes, to get rid of the plant salts.
Once you get good at it and your plants are absorbing the nutrients as the water level lowers the ppms lower too! Then you add nutrients when you top off. Now your growing!

When plants are small they use a hell of a lot less then when there monsters. I go two weeks easy when they are young. On the other hand middle flower in the summer I change out twice in a week. Plants use more water and I run a 6 gallon res.

It's constantly changing, If the Ph is off the plants don't use as much water either. If humidity is to high or they don't have enough fresh air (CO2) they cant process moisture and dont use much water. Funny thing, if that happens they expel more salts and your PPMs go up and its like WTF? LOL

So after I top off with six gallons I change, That way I know my PPMs are nutrients not plant salts.
 

BlackRoses

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Well I'd hate to talk on behalf of cruzer, but I'll give it a try..
When growing hydroponically you can use a ppm meter to measure the strength of your rez. right? What he does is to lower the ppm of the rez. and keep checking it daily. When he notices that his plants are using up all the nutes he'll add more (cause they're still growing).. if he starts to notice that the ppm is not getting lower as quickly as it used to, then is when he should also start lowering his nutrient strength and when the added dosage is so low and the plants are still not using everything, this should be the right time to cut cause there's no more growing left.
During this process the reservoir should be flushed on a weekly basis in order to keep the measurements correct.

Hmmm I hope that was explained correctly.. :eyesmoke:
QUOTE]

Close, but no bananna

We were talking about removing stored nutrients in a plant at the end of its growth cycle.

Durring a plants cycle if ph is correct the plant will use the nutrients and expell plant salts. Nutrients are salts so both are measured together with a PPM meter.

Plants use water and nutes. The plants give off salts too and you cant measure the difference between nutrients and plant salts its all PPM.

So as your water level goes down you want the same PPM. Its going to rise so you add water then ph. once you have added the same amount of water as the res holds over time its time to start over. This is why it is recomended to change out your res with new nutes, to get rid of the plant salts.
Once you get good at it and your plants are absorbing the nutrients as the water level lowers the ppms lower too! Then you add nutrients when you top off. Now your growing!

When plants are small they use a hell of a lot less then when there monsters. I go two weeks easy when they are young. On the other hand middle flower in the summer I change out twice in a week. Plants use more water and I run a 6 gallon res.

It's constantly changing, If the Ph is off the plants don't use as much water either. If humidity is to high or they don't have enough fresh air (CO2) they cant process moisture and dont use much water. Funny thing, if that happens they expel more salts and your PPMs go up and its like WTF? LOL

So after I top off with six gallons I change, That way I know my PPMs are nutrients not plant salts.

Very clearly explained.. thanks ;)
I really thought I had it there lol..
 

snow4aaron

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Great stuff guys.

Another picture update. Today is the first day of week 8 of flower. All the fan leaves are curled down and the tips are a little brown. I'm going to wait until next week to start flushing. They don't look ready yet to me. What do you think?

I also have been experimenting with turning a clone into a mother plant. I am using the hempy bucket method. I attempted my first FIM. It is interesting how the plant is reacting to it. I'm still not sure if it worked.
 

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BlackRoses

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By the looks of pic 5, I see those plants look like they have less then 2 weeks left, maybe just 10 days before perfect harvest time... But the cola's could go 2 weeks..
Just my opinion but if you start flushing next week means the tops on the sides will probably finish before the cola's.. So you should harvest them first.
Now if they weren't flushed properly, you're really going to kick yourself when you're getting high on awful tasting ganja.

I would recommend starting to flush right now, chop those branches in a week to 10 days or if they're ready sooner.
Leave the cola's to flowering for 2 weeks while flushing every other day so they can swell up. Trust me, the nutes don't do any difference in the final 2 weeks.. Just the opposite, growers who feed their plants until the end, end up with worst weed then the ones who flushed on time.

Cheers and good luck, and ofcourse trust your own gameplan before jumping any advice ;)
 

snow4aaron

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How long has that clone been cut? It looks amazingly healthy to me.

:peace:
The clone is a couple months old. I got it and neglected it for the first month of its life, no nutrients and tap water. I just started feeding it and sprayed it with liquid light yesterday. I will take another picture tonight. It has grown more already. It is under (6) 6500k 23w CFLs.
 

snow4aaron

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Hey Jig,
I found a purple kush seed yesterday as well. It has a couple of tiger stripes. I'm going to germinate it this weekend. Hopefully she will be a girl!
 

jigfresh

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Hey Jig,
I found a purple kush seed yesterday as well. It has a couple of tiger stripes. I'm going to germinate it this weekend. Hopefully she will be a girl!
Oh man... it's a girl for sure. I just know it. Tell her you know me... she'll cooperate. I treated her cousins real well.
 
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