Snow4aaron's 1st Grow 400HPS White Widow/White Deisel
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snow4aaron
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Lots of good advice here. I'm running H2O, a little MOAB and some Sweet for the next couple days and then I will change to straight h2o.
I saw a post about starving the plants of water and then feeding them sweet right before harvest. I think it was in tom's journal. I haven't found any feedback about this. It would explain why the purple candy tasted like candy!
What do you think too risky? I might try it with the White Diesel runts. I'm not expecting much from them. It is pic #5 that was mentioned before. I will most likely cut them first.
I saw a post about starving the plants of water and then feeding them sweet right before harvest. I think it was in tom's journal. I haven't found any feedback about this. It would explain why the purple candy tasted like candy!
What do you think too risky? I might try it with the White Diesel runts. I'm not expecting much from them. It is pic #5 that was mentioned before. I will most likely cut them first.
snow4aaron
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I'm going with what you and Blackroses said; next Thursday for the little ones and then when ever the White Widow is ready, should be 1.5-2 weeks.
I just purchased a cheap microscope from Radioshack. I will take a look and post my findings and then we will be able to get a better idea.
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Hey
I took some photos tonight after putting all the girls back together.
I opened the doors and buds came pouring out. The buds have swollen and some where too much for the stems. The second to last picture shows some string tied to the reflector and supporting the bud who got the worse of it. The stem was totally limp and twisted. I tied it up but I'm not sure it it will recover from stem damage. This also is a first for me. It would be a shame because the bud looks like it could have had some weight. I think it is the moab stuff I threw in. I'm thinking about changing the H2O tomorrow and start flushing.
I took a bud leaf clipping of the white diesel and looked at it under the microscope. It looked like some trichomes where clear, some where cloudy and some where amber. It was very cool to see them and worth the $13.
Pics 1,2 and 5 show the yellowing on the bud leaves. What do you make of this?
Do you still think there is 2 weeks for the White Widow monsters?
I also took another picture of the little clone. I tried to FIM it but I missed.
I took some photos tonight after putting all the girls back together.
I opened the doors and buds came pouring out. The buds have swollen and some where too much for the stems. The second to last picture shows some string tied to the reflector and supporting the bud who got the worse of it. The stem was totally limp and twisted. I tied it up but I'm not sure it it will recover from stem damage. This also is a first for me. It would be a shame because the bud looks like it could have had some weight. I think it is the moab stuff I threw in. I'm thinking about changing the H2O tomorrow and start flushing.
I took a bud leaf clipping of the white diesel and looked at it under the microscope. It looked like some trichomes where clear, some where cloudy and some where amber. It was very cool to see them and worth the $13.
Pics 1,2 and 5 show the yellowing on the bud leaves. What do you make of this?
Do you still think there is 2 weeks for the White Widow monsters?
I also took another picture of the little clone. I tried to FIM it but I missed.
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BlackRoses
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Very nice looking buds Aaron,
Yea I think the WW could go 2 more weeks.. The yellowing is very normal.. those buds need alot of nutrients to grow and they usually tap it from the nearest source..
Yea I think the WW could go 2 more weeks.. The yellowing is very normal.. those buds need alot of nutrients to grow and they usually tap it from the nearest source..
snow4aaron
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cool, thanks for checking them out.
BlackRoses
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Right on bro!
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I opened up the girls the other day and one of the white diesel runts had snapped about 6 inches down the stem. I trimmed her up and she is drying now. I put a couple of flowers on top of the cable box to dry faster and smoked them last night. It is a very hard hitting but short lasting head high with very little body high and no pain relief. Hopefully this next week or so the plants will ripen up more.
The flowers are getting heavier for sure. I am constantly tying up the plants because they are bowing from the weight.
They are flushing with PHed tap water and Zone. I PHed the water to 5.4 and over the course of a day it went up to 6.5! Strange.
I think the plants received too many nutrients. There are more flower sights but the flowers are not as dense. The colas grew a Medusa's head of flowers instead of a thick dense spear.
I think this happened because I added to many nutrients to the reservoir and as the water was removed it became stronger. I read all your journals and still didn't listen to your advice about the nutrient strength. I also should have flushed the roots with water to remove the salt build up.
I am super excited for the next grow. I think I will be ready for some good indica on the next one.
Here are some pics. Getting closer but not there yet.
The flowers are getting heavier for sure. I am constantly tying up the plants because they are bowing from the weight.
They are flushing with PHed tap water and Zone. I PHed the water to 5.4 and over the course of a day it went up to 6.5! Strange.
I think the plants received too many nutrients. There are more flower sights but the flowers are not as dense. The colas grew a Medusa's head of flowers instead of a thick dense spear.
I think this happened because I added to many nutrients to the reservoir and as the water was removed it became stronger. I read all your journals and still didn't listen to your advice about the nutrient strength. I also should have flushed the roots with water to remove the salt build up.
I am super excited for the next grow. I think I will be ready for some good indica on the next one.
Here are some pics. Getting closer but not there yet.
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BlackRoses
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Did you add something to the tap water? Cause a PH of 5.4 or even 6.5 is low for tap water.. make sure your PH meter is well calibrated..
Anyways very fine looking plants aaron,
Peace!
Anyways very fine looking plants aaron,
Peace!
I hear ya man, When I read to use half strength I thought "no way my girls are gonna starve, I want BIG buds" LOL
Well it took me three grows until I tried it. Some of us just have to see it to really believe it. The important thing is you took the time to research it and now consider it. I think because we use different mediums that our grows are slightly different. What has worked for me is try 1/2 strength, say 600ppm, once I get the ppms to drop with the water level I know I am there, now lets try more to start like 800ppm. Then I saw a some burnt tips so I backed off to 700ppm and thats where I stay.
In veg try 5.7 to 5.8 and flower 6.0 to 6.2 for Ph.
That way your plants can absorb the correct type of nutrients when they need them. Maybe this chart will help.
Well it took me three grows until I tried it. Some of us just have to see it to really believe it. The important thing is you took the time to research it and now consider it. I think because we use different mediums that our grows are slightly different. What has worked for me is try 1/2 strength, say 600ppm, once I get the ppms to drop with the water level I know I am there, now lets try more to start like 800ppm. Then I saw a some burnt tips so I backed off to 700ppm and thats where I stay.
In veg try 5.7 to 5.8 and flower 6.0 to 6.2 for Ph.
That way your plants can absorb the correct type of nutrients when they need them. Maybe this chart will help.
snow4aaron
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Hey Blackroses,
The PH of the tap water is usually 7-8 with 300-400 PPM. I add Zone and then wait a few minutes. During flower or vegitative phases I add the remaining nutrients. The reservoir is topped off and PH Down is added until I get to 5.4. Most of the time the PH slowly rises over a few days. After I added the mosquito dunk the PH dropped for a week or so.
I have a meter in the reservoir and a hand held one. I calibrate them regularly. The meter in the reservoir goes crazy with the HPS light on but the hand held one reads accurate.
snow4aaron
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Hey Cruzer,I hear ya man, When I read to use half strength I thought "no way my girls are gonna starve, I want BIG buds" LOL
Well it took me three grows until I tried it. Some of us just have to see it to really believe it. The important thing is you took the time to research it and now consider it. I think because we use different mediums that our grows are slightly different. What has worked for me is try 1/2 strength, say 600ppm, once I get the ppms to drop with the water level I know I am there, now lets try more to start like 800ppm. Then I saw a some burnt tips so I backed off to 700ppm and thats where I stay.
In veg try 5.7 to 5.8 and flower 6.0 to 6.2 for Ph.
That way your plants can absorb the correct type of nutrients when they need them. Maybe this chart will help.
Looks like I have been keeping the PH too high. I will try that next time. I am keeping a worksheet with all the info and recommendations because in a few weeks I will end up combing threads looking for the same stuff again.
I need to get to work to get a perpetual grow going. Yours is a well oiled machine.
BlackRoses
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Aaron do you keep an air stone in your reservoir?
snow4aaron
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Yes, I have 2 long air stones that run the length of the reservoir and a little powerhead pump. They both run 24/7 oxygenating and mixing the reservoir.
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Here is another picture of one of the three large colas. She grew across the base of the light socket reaching for more light.
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jigfresh
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That's a nice looking cola stretchig up there. About the nutes... you live and learn. It's a good thing we don't only get one shot at growing... we have our whole lives.
The plants are great looking no matter what.
snow4aaron
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Thanks for the encouragement!
Another update!
Nothing has happened!
I trimmed a couple leaves and flowers to check the trichomes. Most were cloudy with some amber. They don't look ready yet so another week I guess. I will check the trichomes every few days.
Two of the white widows look like they need another 2 weeks. They are the closest to the drain on the flood table. Check out the pictures. It is easy to tell the difference. The leaves on the flowers are turning more yellow than the other plants.
I might chop one of the runts down, they turned out to be lame little plants. They are pitiful little plants but very sparkly. The top that broke off one of the white diesel runts was very tasty. I dried it in a dark closet for a few days and they jarred it up for another and it was tasty.
I am concerned about chopping some down now. The roots of the dead plant will rot. The last white widow looks like it has a while to go. Is this a disaster waiting to happen?
Another update!
Nothing has happened!
I trimmed a couple leaves and flowers to check the trichomes. Most were cloudy with some amber. They don't look ready yet so another week I guess. I will check the trichomes every few days.
Two of the white widows look like they need another 2 weeks. They are the closest to the drain on the flood table. Check out the pictures. It is easy to tell the difference. The leaves on the flowers are turning more yellow than the other plants.
I might chop one of the runts down, they turned out to be lame little plants. They are pitiful little plants but very sparkly. The top that broke off one of the white diesel runts was very tasty. I dried it in a dark closet for a few days and they jarred it up for another and it was tasty.
I am concerned about chopping some down now. The roots of the dead plant will rot. The last white widow looks like it has a while to go. Is this a disaster waiting to happen?
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jigfresh
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I had almost (or more than) two weeks between my first plant getting cut to the stub and my last plant getting cut. The roots didn't start rotting in my tank yet.
I also asked my hydro guy what he thought about it and his opinion was less than 10-14 days and you won't need to worry about it.
More than that and you should get some hygrozyme or whatever that stuff is that eats dead organic matter.
I also asked my hydro guy what he thought about it and his opinion was less than 10-14 days and you won't need to worry about it.
More than that and you should get some hygrozyme or whatever that stuff is that eats dead organic matter.