single cola plants?

I've never noticed a slowing in growth from trimming either. Like you said just really strong new growth in a day or two. Just always read how bad it is; I understand the logic so I try not to do anything unnessesary.

Some of the plants seem small to me too. I gave a fem to my mom that for some reason was only like 4 inches a week into flower. I just chaulked it up to so many different strains. All the plants have been treated almost exactly the same way. They looked droppy cuz I had just watered them. Keep in mind though the plants where put in a different times. Some are a few weeks apart even. I had to do 50 plants from the start to ensure 25 females; It was time consuming to sprout them all. Do you think that would account for the difference in heights? Or do you think it's something else. I use a graduated cylinder to ensure exact amounts of water. My light has a output of 150,000 lumens so I think at 24 inches it should still provide more than enough light right? Not sure on the distance degredation of light.

I let the soil get pretty dry. Water every other day or so.

By equipement I mean a co2 system and better ventilation, plus some odds and ends to make things easier. I was told by the Hydro store that I had the, "Cadillac" of bulbs. But he could of just been trying to sell me a 140 dollar bulb.

I deffinitly swear to LST benifits during veg, but I usually stop drastic training a week or so before flower. This is the first time I've cut anything besides fan leaves during flower. Most of the plants seem to grow naturally as one cola when done 12/12 from seed. Some refuse to conform to the rest. Some strains are just better suited I suppose. I'm still leary of it, but I will try suppercropping on a couple this grow that are early in flower.

Thanks a lot mate, always glad to hear from people who know their stuff.
-His Majesty, The Dude

Nice pics Mr. Marks. What strain are they? How long was your veg time in the orange bucket pic? Not 12/12 from seed right.

Thanks again,
-Dude'r

The orange buckets were the big plants I was talking about, they were originally mothers, so they were probably 6 months or older.

Sensi Star was the majority of the strains, there were a few others in there.

The differences is because of different times, didn't realize they were put in at different times.

I'd really recommend veging for at least two weeks and establish a good root base, plus they'll start to flower within a week of bloom, definately a benefit, if you are able to veg them, and you'll get a more uniform garden that will all finish at the same time.


I also recommend taking a few clones from them before putting thenm into flower, and saving a female once sex is established, you can veg it in a different closet, and prepare clones for the next round.

I recommend starting some seeds right now for your next batch.

Also, 140 is about average, 600W bulbs are 100 bucks.

Good luck

I would have vegged them but wanted to hurry through this experiment. That and when I started doing it, the advice I got on this thread was to start them 12/12 from seed to get natural single cola growth. It does work, just not on all strains. If I do this kind of grow again, I'd choose a strain better suited for this. I could have germinated all the seeds at the same time but I ran out of tupperware. Having the plants finish differently will keep me from cutting early though.

My next grow I plan on trying some new strains. I loved white widow so I figured I'd try some white strains Nirvana has. But there expernsive. Anyone know the hermie percentage you get from these if they are feminized? I gotta save for em' though, monies tight; Hense this simple, quick grow. Give me something to smoke while the dro grows.

Mr. Marks, have you ever done 12/12 from seed of heard of it anywhere else? I can't really find any detailed information. That's why I figured I'd do one. At least if others want to try 12/12 from seed they'll have a good online resource.

Good post,
-Dude

yer jus wondering wen u take a clone do u need 2 have root powder ?? or can u put thm in some water ...will it grow roots

With a rooting hormone, you'll get faster results, It's not as easy to clone in just water, like other plants.

The easiest way is to buy root plugs, like Rapid Rooter, or Jiffy Pucks, and I personally like Rootech, I've tried many other rooting gels and find it works the best. At least better than ClonEx, and the Advanced Nutrients gel, or the powders.

As far as 12/12 from seed, I haven't seen many overly-successful grows.

With a little time for root establishment, there are better results, and with 24 hours of light they'll get through the juvenile stage much faster than with 12/12.

From clone, I veg for at least 2 weeks before flowering, from seed, about a month.

I don't recommend feminized seeds, any chance of a hermie could ruin your garden.

I do recommend getting an F1 hybrid, like Super Skunk, Northern Light... They both finish in 45 days, and are extremely stable and reliable.

When you get into F3-F4 strains there will be a large variance of what the phenotypes are, and you'll end up with a bunch of different types of strains, different characteristics.

F1 strains are best for learning, using bagseed, it's hard to tell if you're making errors, because you don't know what should be happening.

I'd say it's best to learn from growing a stable strain a few times, to hone your skills, different strains like different techniques, some strains like a dry arid enviroment, others like high humidity, some like wet soil, others like it a bit dry... It goes on and on.

I like to stick to Skunk varieties, I can grow it well, but there are some incredibly potent, or huge budding F-4 strains out there...

Interesting. Are there any stable white strains you know of? Basically I'm looking for potency and flavor. Potency even more. I have, for lack of a better word, crippling back pain. I refuse to take medication or see a doctor due to terrible occurances in my personal, and family life. Marijuana doesn't get rid of the pain; But the better the bud the more bearable the pain. I'm able to, "Live" if I'm high.

But your right. I had just started looking into possible strains so I'm glad I asked you. The strains I had an intrest in where, Ak-48, Bubbleicious, Ice, White Rhino, or Aurora Indica. Know anything about them? Nirvana of course has a description. Of course, it's vague. Mentions nothing of Phenotypes or how stable the stain.

I saw a wild looking pink and purple bud phenotype somewhere. They claimed it was so unstable it produced different colors every time. Like that was a good thing. I would imagine a high hermie rate. I saw something else that said lowering night time temperatures slowly to the range of 55-60F, would produce a purpl"ing" effect on the buds. Odviously growing unstable strains is a bad idea in every way. I always though different colored buds looked gnarly. I'd really be interested in growing a stable strain I could minipulate someway to make them look abnormal without decreasing yeilds to much, or risking a high hermie rate of a unstable strain.

Anyone heard anything like this? I saw this on a old grow video online, who knows how credible. Any experimenting with night time temperatures?

Bagseeds do suck! I see 12/12 from seed as drug abuse. It's not nice to deflower a girl before she's ready! But bagseeds serve the purpose of a sacrifice for personal knowledge.

Thanks Mr. Marks, Stay safe
-Dude

Yeah, if you lower your temps into the 30s they'll turn purple, but there's no real benefit.

I've grown white widow, and wasn't impressed. I've heard that Ice is a good producer, but thought it was a feminized strain.

For pain, I'd stick to indica dominant strains, blueberry, norther lights.

If you want even more of a narcotic high, leave them past the correct harvest time, ie let all the pistols turn reddish brown.

What happens is the THC converts to CBN and it will give you more of a lethargic, euphoric high.

Sativas generally have a high THC content and low CBN. THC gives you an uplifting stone, makes you happy. CBN gives you the couchlock you're looking for. Indica strains have a higher level of CBN.

I've dropped a lot of info, you can check on a lot of it to verify, since nobody is commenting but me.

I think I'm pretty knowledgeable, cannabis is my love, and I try to help others grow as best they can, so good luck, and sorry for the hi-jacking

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How about Aurora Indica. Know if it's stable?

I've read what your talking about in other places so I know your right. I don't ever mind someone helping a thread keep going. The more post, and people the better. It's not Hijacking it's sharing info. If you got a lot to say on the subject by all means take up a page.

I figured there'd be no benefit either. Mainly I'm going for potency and flavor. Color would have just given me something else to do besides watch them grow. I like prunung different ways as well, still haven't decided LST method is best for me.

-Dude

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If you wanna close up, take a normal pic from a decent distance, and turn up the resolution to the max.

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I like to supercrop in the first two weeks.

Working on a Sunday blows hard, but I'm about to get off, in case you were wondering why I don't reply for a while...

I can see supercropping on a bigger plant during harvest. I plan on it next grow. But would you still do it on single cola plants? Seeing as the whole plant would basically be bent over. Where do you suppercrop in flower? At the top node? Do you supercrop even your main colas?

Oh, I did bend over half of the girls still in 2-liters. Not suppercropped, just leaned the whole container at an angle.

-Dude

More pics. Opinions?

There are 2 of each plant. I choose 4 that are the farthest along.
(1)One of the plants is an example of 12/12 from seed growth without branch trimming;
(2)Another plant is one that was alowed to grow its lower branches and had top branch growth trimmed instead. Bottom branch buds have growth equal to main cola so far.
(3)The shorter of the plant, showed sex early and at a low height. Bud growth is very strong with crystal even on shade leaves already. Long straight hairs pointing straight up.
(4)This plant is the plain single cola growth of most the other girls. Everything was trimmed and focused over the top 3/5ths of the plant. Really starting to thicken up with bud growth completely covering the main stem.

Plant one is around two weeks and two through four are around three weeks flower. I have some other trimming variables to show but they are still early in flower and not much to show.

-That Gnarly Fucking Dude

I wish I could try everyway to grow