Should tipping be abolished?

Should tipping be abolished?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 43.5%

  • No

    Votes: 13 56.5%
  • Total voters
    23
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
You are basically saying that you are required to treat any employees as family.

Taxpayers are not making up any difference, taxpayers pay all salaries to employees, taxpayers pay for everything, it is where all the money comes from.

It is not the governments place to make sure everyone is taken care of and everything is fair. That is the problem first and foremost.

Again, why are you so against freedom and in favor of tyranny?
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So no argument, then?

Taxpayers do makeup the difference, that's why there are many people who work full time jobs who still require government assistance to survive. That's coming directly out of my pocket. Why should it come out of my pocket instead of the person employing the worker?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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Padawanbater2 said:
So no argument, then?

Taxpayers do makeup the difference, that's why there are many people who work full time jobs who still require government assistance to survive. That's coming directly out of my pocket. Why should it come out of my pocket instead of the person employing the worker?
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The person employing the worker has entered into a voluntary agreement for compensation with that worker. Why should the employer suddenly be completely responsible for the health and well being of that employee??

You keep wanting to force people to do things, you dont seem to want there to be a voluntary agreement between two people involving employment without massive government regulation and coercion on both of them. I just want the government out of my life... Again, why do you want tyranny?
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
The person employing the worker has entered into a voluntary agreement for compensation with that worker. Why should the employer suddenly be completely responsible for the health and well being of that employee??
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the employer also entered into a voluntary agreement with the government. so if the government decides to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, they are obligated by their voluntary agreement.

you are literally a retarded person.
 
srh88

srh88

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Either way you'll be paying it.. if the restaurant pays a living wage.. price goes up to cover it. But I'm a good tipper from being in the industry. If you don't want to tip.. buy the food and cook and serve it to yourself and clean up. Tips give the workers to go for. Incentive.
 
roseypeach

roseypeach

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Indacouch said:
Can't stand being begged for extra money or having it tacked on at a nice ocean side resteraunt.....I am a super fair willing to tip kinda guy ....but when it's expected of me or I'm begged for it ...it kinda ruins the point of a kind gesture in the first place .......and tips for me go by the service I receive or how drunk I am ..............I seen a sign once that said tipping---not a city in china ......that made me laugh so I tipped ............
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Tips are for showing gratuity--good service, good tip, otherwise...

I personally don't think they should be abolished as servers are most likely making far less than they deserve for such a demanding job. I agree with you however, service is most important and being expected to tip whether or not it's good, is fucked up.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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NLXSK1 said:
The person employing the worker has entered into a voluntary agreement for compensation with that worker. Why should the employer suddenly be completely responsible for the health and well being of that employee??
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The employer should be responsible for paying a living wage so it doesn't necessitate taxpayer involvement to make up the difference

You're the one supporting the position of forcing people (taxpayers) to pay for things they have no control over
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
the employer also entered into a voluntary agreement with the government. so if the government decides to raise the minimum wage to a living wage, they are obligated by their voluntary agreement.

you are literally a retarded person.
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FAIL.

That is an absurd post sir. A voluntary agreement doesn't place one person under duress if they don't enter into the "agreement".
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:



Why should customers be expected to make up the difference in a living wage via tips instead of the employer?
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It was a Faustian bargain struck by Congress; in return for a minimum wage, they locked in wait staff wages at $1.35 'in perpetuity'.

Keep in mind that our nation's representatives are even more classist than they are racist, and as recent events have amply demonstrated, they're still to this day plenty racist indeed.

It is time for America to face up to the mess it's made of itself and the world and get to work making amends.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Because it's not my responsibility to pay a company's employees a living wage, it's the employer's responsibility
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Yes it is, because you're the customer.

1.It's customary in personal service positions worldwide
2. It's an excellent way to thank someone for taking good care of you in a personal way
3. It encourages better service, because if nothing is expected, only the minimum will be given

I get your point, but it's a great custom that makes sense on too many levels to give it up.

And yes, wait staff should absolutely get the same minimum wage protections as anyone else.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
It's not mandatory here either, that's a big part of the problem inherent in the system. A waiter could give the best service and might still receive no tip, it's definitely looked down upon, but nobody is going to jail over not leaving a tip for good service

I feel like tipping in America is just another way to shift the burden of another cost off onto the customer by subtly shaming people into it. If you don't tip, you're "cheap", that alone is enough to get 99% of people to leave a tip
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This is a very selfish attitude.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
This is a very selfish attitude.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with tipping people. My problem stems with the idea that customers should be the ones to pay employees a living wage instead of the employer. I feel like a living wage is a necessary expense to running a business, just like gas or water would be, and that it should be incorporated into any expenses the same way.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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@Padawanbater2

The employer is paying the wages of the establishment's employees with the money you pay for the services you ordered.

Tipping is a great way to cut out the middleman employer and show the service worker how much you appreciate their service.

I agree that the job classification should be protected by exactly the same wage and benefit standards as any other.

Tipping should not be prohibited, any more than wait staff should get less than minimum wage.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with tipping people. My problem stems with the idea that customers should be the ones to pay employees a living wage instead of the employer. I feel like a living wage is a necessary expense to running a business, just like gas or water would be, and that it should be incorporated into any expenses the same way.
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Yes.

But I think it's still a great way to thank the individual who took care of you.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Padawanbater2 said:
So no argument, then?

Taxpayers do makeup the difference, that's why there are many people who work full time jobs who still require government assistance to survive. That's coming directly out of my pocket. Why should it come out of my pocket instead of the person employing the worker?
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Because the product will become more expensive to make up for the increase in labor costs. Profit is necessary to expand and grow a business. It is also necessary to have savings for rainy days.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Flaming Pie said:
Because the product will become more expensive to make up for the increase in labor costs. Profit is necessary to expand and grow a business. It is also necessary to have savings for rainy days.
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That's how markets should work, if the product becomes too expensive, I'll just go to the competition. It's not like there are no other options
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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Tipping encourages the person to offer excellant service.

I've known some ladies that could rake in 200 bucks a night a tips. In a pancake house.
 
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