Fogdog
Well-Known Member
cycling back to grievances. As if that has anything to do your love of Putin for invading Ukraine.
How many children died today? crickets
But oh your ass is tender when your feelz get hurt.
What a chump.
Should the US shed blood for Ukraine
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How many children died today? crickets
But oh your ass is tender when your feelz get hurt.
What a chump.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
More grievance. Dude, nobody cares about your feelings any more than you care about mine.US humane, democracy bringing interventions usually suspiciously connected to oil or other riches. But that's all normal. That's power. All you need is to acknowledge that, and stop living a lie in which your government intervenes to actually help others. Never happened. With any superpower. I would equally be attacking angry delusional Russians defending their govt on a forum, but here I am surrounded by Yankees
What does this have to do with Putin's invasion of Ukraine? Today, a kindergarten took a bomb killing several adults and two children. But you. "Oh I am so aggrieved".
Dead babies are tasty, eh, Babay?
How are my feelings hurt, I was saying how pointless the argument that "US help the ones it attacked before" lol
And why do you all assume I cheer for Putin in this war? I might the the least biased person on this thread
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Stop with the grievance posts and I'll stop pointing out that your feelings have nothing to do with our discussion about the inhumanity of Putin's invasion.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
The Wikipedia post was mine. You caught some spatter, sorry.Russia invades of neighboring sovereign nations because their midget dictator got angry.
It's a cultural thing.
Getting triggered are you? I didn't post anything from wikipedia about women. I just commented on how easy it is for a well placed older government official to buy a girl for his pleasure.
It's a cultural thing.
That's such a dumbass argument.
Did I ever say, in any of my posts that Putin's actions are humane, or that I support him in any way?
Please, tell me
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
It's a beautiful thing when I get to call somebody stupid for accusing me of what I clearly had not done. I did go back to check first because it could have been my post.
djumbo is having a bad day. It must suck having to defend Putin. He's even started backtracking. This war is going badly on all fronts including Putin's online defenders.
As with Trump, they are going to deny supporting him. "I don't support Putin, but"
lol
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
He does seem to be selling the authoritarian version.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
So, now you are going to say you oppose Putin's invasion. As I just predicted. lulz.
"Buut the US bombed Hiroshima, so US equally bad"
True, you didn't say exactly that but you kind of are saying that.
When the US does something morally reprehensible IN THIS SITUATION then say so and I'll give it a hard look. It is foolish to equate US past behavior to Putin's current crimes against humanity and therefore -- actually, I don't know what you are trying to say when you do that.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
OK, let's revisit this piece of garbage.US humane, democracy bringing interventions usually suspiciously connected to oil or other riches. But that's all normal. That's power. All you need is to acknowledge that, and stop living a lie in which your government intervenes to actually help others. Never happened. With any superpower. I would equally be attacking angry delusional Russians defending their govt on a forum, but here I am surrounded by Yankees
US humane, democracy bringing interventions usually suspiciously connected to oil or other riches. But that's all normal. That's power.
The US is working with NATO to support Ukraine in its defense against a vastly larger military that invaded for no good reason. That is my position. Is it wrong or am I right or is it something in between? Instead you talk about some vague, I don't know what to call it, conspiracy(?) to do what? It appears to insinuate the US is in it for oil or a money grab all in the name of power?
That sentence made no sense but it conveyed an emotional appeal. Then you claim I have to acknowledge it. I have no idea what I would be acknowledging. What in hell are you trying to say? Please tie your statement to the issue at hand.
It seemed to me to be a grievance about big bad US. But maybe I'm wrong. I'm listening. So explain yourself, djumbo.
DIY-HP-LED
Well-Known Member
He's a Russian or a sympathizer and is having some difficulty with this, he knows Putin is bad and dangerous for Russia and favors political change. I have no problem with someone rooting for their side, but this is making him and many Russians think things through. Ukrainians are Slavic peoples and Kyiv is a historical, cultural and religious center and it's destruction horrifies many Russians. Vlad is having trouble taking the Russian areas in the east of the country, perhaps many Russians are in Ukraine to get away from Putin, that's why Zelenskiy moved back home. They get fed and swallow a lot of Russian TV propaganda and it shows with this fellow. He's open and honest about who he is and where he's from, so that gives him points.
I've already explained the geopolitical background of this conflict and why the US is happy with it. All else is me reacting to mostly "fuck this fuck that" comments lacking any analytical approach and self criticism
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i've been kicking you for quite a while, didn't realize you had fallen and couldn't get up....and i'm not offering you any kind of hand, don't even know what would suggest it to you...and i'm still kicking you...have you gotten up yet?
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
i've never assumed such a thing...the cia ran half the governments in the middle east, south and central america, and africa at one time or another, and we put a lot of people in power in key positions...our only defense is that our enemies were doing it as well, and we really didn't have a lot of choice. it's also quite certain that very wealthy people, most of them associated with the oil industry, have had entirely too much say in foreign policy for a long time. we're working on it, and i personally will try harder, just for you, ComradeUS humane, democracy bringing interventions usually suspiciously connected to oil or other riches. But that's all normal. That's power. All you need is to acknowledge that, and stop living a lie in which your government intervenes to actually help others. Never happened. With any superpower. I would equally be attacking angry delusional Russians defending their govt on a forum, but here I am surrounded by Yankees
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
You didn't explain shit.
What you posted was a grievance, near as I can tell and dressed it up with vague statements and an assumption you are correct. "You must acknowlege". No I don't. Not without a better explanation. Stop dismissing my direct statements about the error in your logic. It is hilarious how you deny that you keep stating your grievances while at the same time doing so. As in your post above. "All else is me reacting to mostly "fuck this fuck that" comments lacking any analytical approach and self criticism". lulz What analysis and self criticism lies in that sentence? It's just another one of your damn pity parties.
Absolutely, the US has a stake in what's happening in Ukraine but it is not as you say oil or power. It's about defending against an aggressive monarch commanding his failing society to invade a sovereign nation. That is old school failed statecraft. That shit ends. The US, NATO and other allies are going to end it. A lot of people are going to be killed by that psychopath. The US assumes zero blame for that.
Well then you didn't read shit
Thanks man, really sober reply, I appreciate it
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
Au contraire . I've read a lot of your shit.
None of your posts make sense. The only thing I can pick out of what you said is you don't read your own writings with any level of critical analysis.
Putin invaded Ukraine. His actions were justified solely by his own set of firmly held dumbass grievances. "he was provoked". He invaded Georgia, US did squat. He invaded Crimea, US did practically nothing. He bombed civilians in Syria to keep his pet dictator in power. Trump kissed his ass. He's invading again in Ukraine and getting his head beat in. A coalition shows every sign of digging in for a siege that will end Russia as we know it or maybe Vlad launches a nuclear strike. I don't know what will happen next.
US has zero blame for anything Putin does.
That's the story. If you want to pick it apart do so. I'll read more of your shit. I'm actually interested in what you will say.
Budzbuddha
Well-Known Member
Nuclear Power Plant taking damage ….. and now on fire.
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
it's definitely not about oil, or trade at all, really
https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-ukraines-top-trading-partners-and-products/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=visualizing-ukraines-top-trading-partners-and-products
https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4623.html
we don't do much business with them, and most of that is for raw iron and machinery...
they are strategically placed, but that's of very little benefit to the U.S., NATO has bases nearly as close, already in operation.
as i can see it, the only benefit to us at all is putin shooting himself in the foot...a few times now, the invasion itself, lying to his own troops, badly underestimating the Ukrainians resolve, underestimating the strength of the sanctions that would be brought against him, the world wide abhorrence of his actions...he is destabilizing his own fascist regime.
we literally have to do nothing, and the mad man will kill himself on his own, the only question at this point is how many he takes with him...