Should the US shed blood for Ukraine
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Roger A. Shrubber
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because unscrupulous people have tied those worthless values to freedom...they take advantage of situations where allies help allies to remain free, and profiteer on the blood and sweat of others...if an ally of freedom is threatened, it is up to all lovers of freedom to help them
MICHI-CAN
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And if ever we knew freedom. Cut the powerline to he house and talk of freedom. LMAO. Free to self indebt.
Roger A. Shrubber
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you give up some things for other things...i like having a computer, a fridge and freezer, a stove, lights, heating in the winter and cooling in the summer...i don't NEED those things, they just make life a lot easier and more comfortable. in exchange for those things, i'm willing to pay for the energy required to use them...if you really feel shackled by your electric bill, look into installing some alternative energy sources, which you would still have to purchase, and cutting down how much power you use...maybe you need to be talking to robroy...
MICHI-CAN
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Peace at best. Not all are mortal kombat fans. LOL.
MICHI-CAN
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And I submit my time sheet where? Paid useful idiot. Why not move back to Okie and drown in a bathtub? Vicariously through me is a but a falisey.
Sativied
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He’s saying Germany is poor compared to some of the richest countries because they spent net ~0.33% of gdp on EU, and because they need Russian fossil fuel to empower the green revolution. And because immigrants need housing according to their social laws, which implement the basic human right to housing most EU countries have, except in practice for maybe a few low bars like poor Greece or racist Hungary. And they are poor because giving jobs to immigrants is bad for the economy. So they can’t afford to spend more on military budget to support the aggressor, the US.
Guess which eurosceptic political party in Germany opposes wind farms, blames immigrants, is very popular amongst Russians in Germany and does not want sanctions against Russia…
Roger A. Shrubber
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i'm guessing maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
check out their policies...
...looks like there are still some nazis in Germany
Fogdog
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Thanks for providing context. I was struggling to understand why @Kassiopeija showed fear of discussing the subject of Putin's aggression and deflecting to irrelevant topics.
Alt right with a German bent. Makes sense. Right wing authoritarians stick together.
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Sativied
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Yes that’s the one. I will say there‘s plenty of people who parrot those points without realizing the origin. Especially in more rural less educated parts. But then, that’s a whole lot of similarities in just a couple of posts. Ask the German guy if there’s any other party opposing wind energy. I’d be surprised. True story, it’s the seemingly floating red lights of wind turbines in Germany that indicate to me where the border is on my way back. A route I take cause there’s small city on the dutch side that has a single coffeeshop (Ankara) with usually good yet low priced hash and herb. Maybe I developed a Pavlov response to those red blinking lights. Anyway, they do have a lot of them, on land, which not everyone likes, which in turn is great for any populist.
I visit Germany almost monthly but really don’t know enough to refute the “we here in Germany think US is paranoid aggressor and Putin looks hot on a horse“ part. That said, it sounds very east german to me. I know Germans to be very reasonable, down to earth and anything close to nazi is heavily frowned upon.
Let’s see… yes makes sense, I only go to the far west part. A years old but only less than 10% nazi there, closet nazis. All the dark parts in the east, that’s former DDR, that’s where they are popular. Seems obvious where those districts with high russian german population are.
But then Merkel is from east germany too and she’s pretty awesome.
This map sure makes a good argument for anyone saying the allies should have went all the way to Moscow… but then, part of the reason for the current conflict is Russia not getting the recognition they deserve for their role.
I visit Germany almost monthly but really don’t know enough to refute the “we here in Germany think US is paranoid aggressor and Putin looks hot on a horse“ part. That said, it sounds very east german to me. I know Germans to be very reasonable, down to earth and anything close to nazi is heavily frowned upon.
Let’s see… yes makes sense, I only go to the far west part. A years old but only less than 10% nazi there, closet nazis. All the dark parts in the east, that’s former DDR, that’s where they are popular. Seems obvious where those districts with high russian german population are.
But then Merkel is from east germany too and she’s pretty awesome.
This map sure makes a good argument for anyone saying the allies should have went all the way to Moscow… but then, part of the reason for the current conflict is Russia not getting the recognition they deserve for their role.
Jimdamick
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OK, I can't compete w/your personal experience,maybe when he croaks if he doesn't manage to irradiate the world by then,Russia can be "worked with",I'm looking for some kind of solution here and it's difficult to deal w/someone sitting on all those nukes,I'm just concerned about a China/Russia alliance and would like Russia to tilt West,I know it's a corrupt country(obviously not on your personal level), it's hard to root out entrenched behavior. When Russia was under Yeltzin and free markets were tried ordinary Russians mostly got FKD, hard to believe that old Russian ladies in black shauls actually yearned for the days that they waited in a 1/2 mile long line for a 6 ounce meat ration ,leaving a vacuum for Vlad to step in and provide nostalgic comfort.
Perish the thought of the Russia/Ukraine crisis w/Trump in office,wondering why Putin didn't do this 2yrs ago(big blunder for his agenda)
Maybe we are paranoid because American soldiers have went to Europe TWICE in the last 100yrs and died,and we also spent a lot of money on a thing called the Berlin Airlift, to keep the Soviets from starving Germans
I agree that most of the demons in Germany's closet are in the East,they struggled w/integration into one Germany and those who had prominent positions(Stasi and high ranking communist party members)still yearn for the past along w/ a higher % of Far Right and Nazi sympathizers. Hard to believe Merkel was from the East( decent leader and I liked her). Your also right that the West had a Laissez-Faire attitude with regard to the carnage and sacrifice endured by the Russian people(Stalin never should have signed the non aggression pact)
no need to shed blood we have killer drones.
Putin is already looking for a way out (i thought he'd use Games as cover) as i've been posting he would per Russian Playbook.
Ruse because Convenient Orange Fool is gone and Putin continues to lash out because of it.
then Putin gives the US a list of demands?
Putin is already looking for a way out (i thought he'd use Games as cover) as i've been posting he would per Russian Playbook.
Ruse because Convenient Orange Fool is gone and Putin continues to lash out because of it.
then Putin gives the US a list of demands?
Roger A. Shrubber
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putin didn't need to do anything like this under trump, trump was removing and crippling sanctions against russia, and asisting in their money laundering process...all that stopped when trump lost, and Biden not only started enforcing the sanction in place, but added more, expelling a few russians from the country, and adding that U.S. banks cannot buy russian bonds any longer. trump was publicly against the pipeliine, but tillerson, who trump appointed, exempted the pipeline from existing sanctions...the secretary of state doesn't get to make those decisions if the president doesn't support them...
Biden did drop the sanctions on the pipeline, in order to reestablish good relations with Germany, but also required Germany to pledge to help Ukraine if they were invaded...bad trade, imo, but he at least had good intentions....
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Tillerson and Mattis wouldn't put up w/Trumps BS, Trump can't deal w/truth spoken to power,the FKN scariest thing on Jan 6 to me was that his whole cabinet was "ACTING", no Senate confirmed appointees, nothing but lackeys and wannabees, never seen a whole unconfirmed cabinet in my life. I still have to pinch myself that a WhiteHouse could be at that level of chaos and disarray,SCARY