I see that the votes for NATO involvement are slowly getting outnumbered. Good. For those who support it: do you realize that the world will end if the clash happens? It's clear that in the past 80 years, war between the west and Russia is impossible. Military doctrine of both sides implies the use of nuclear weapons to prevent defeat. And both Russia and USA are capable of pushing the button, USA even more so.
Should the US shed blood for Ukraine
- Thread starter Jimdamick
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US is the greatest power at the moment, and they look forward to Russian attacks, to further weaken it and destabilize Europe. They are not crazy to get involved though, neither does Putin want for his operation to last longer than absolutely necessary. It will be short and precise. "Going to war makes sense only if you are 100x stronger than your opponent" (Sun-Tsu), and they all know it.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
What has you believing that the US considers destabilizing Europe is a good thing? Link please to the journalism.
Who says it's a good thing?
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Please support your stating it is US policy. Link to your sources please.Who says it's a good thing?
Roger A. Shrubber
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feet on the ground in moscow happens....if they're lucky...if we happen to be in a pissy mood already, it could just be the start of lets bomb russia with every non atomic bomb we own...and then build more.
And then Russia would send nukes, America would promptly respond the same way, and the end
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
you don't think...you feel...
it wasn't up to trump or Biden to make the call, Ukraine is a sovereign nation, with it's own army, it's own government, and it's own leaders....of course, you're probably right about moron trump's response, he would have tried to invade to "save" them from his man crush, against the advice of every armed forces leader in the country, but of course buckethead knows better than all of them...trump was, is, and continues to be a fucking disaster on wheels, and can't lead his way out of the sewer culvert he belongs in
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
yup...
No, it isn't
Roger A. Shrubber
Well-Known Member
you never mention china....you never mention NATO...you never mention the non NATO neighbors of Ukraine...you never mention a TON of shit...go read some more
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
There is no “common sense” in world affairs. Those who invoke it generally are pushing a propaganda lie. If you won’t post a source, you’re trolling worthless.
I also disagree with your embedded claim that Europe are competitors. US depends too heavily on trade with the rest of the G7. In fact, I don’t know of any European country (Russsia isn’t in Europe, economically or culturally) whom we designate competitors.
BudmanTX
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umm hate to burn that bush of your.....yes it is.....they voted for independence from russia and got it, so they are sovereign, a nation on they're own....
No, no, Russia is a competitor, Europe is its dependent ally. So, a same or similar opinion from another person in a form of an article would satisfy you?
As we can see, it de facto isn't
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
a Soviet thing to say. You’re pro-Vladolf!
Where does it belong, on Mars?
Nah, I'm against both of them. Just because 90% here are blindly on the other side, it makes me bring out counter arguments as well
BudmanTX
Well-Known Member
umm might wanna take a read....
Declaration of Independence of Ukraine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
they're an independent nation as of 1991