Fogdog
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I wouldn't call them sportsmen. I call them poachers and have reported them. A one-time friend of mine caught and retained a wild salmon. He was fined $750.
Should the US shed blood for Ukraine
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Fogdog
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Don't try to connect with me. I saw the troll for what it was.Wrong. I was just saying what's on the menu in HK. And I bet most of the stuff is farmed. But not the disgusting shark fin horror. And as the sea is my natural habitat, I've too been spearfishing for decades, so when I'm not eating south China sea delicacies, I'm catching my own. No fancy scuba gear, only snorkeling with just a spear and a knife.
I do have a problem with octopuses, love the taste, but really breaks my heart to kill them, they're very smart and I hesitate. I almost always just play with them and they leave, unless it's really huge and probably near the end of its short life cycle. Check out my 2 latest dives: couple of congers and a moray eel (love it) and a pelagic fish, can't recall name in English. The other one is a mix
Roger A. Shrubber
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i live by the great smoky mtns national park. people get fined here all the time. it's clearly posted in almost all parking areas, the entrances to most drives...do not pick flowers, collect stones, or bother the wildlife...but people insist on feeding animals, which conditions them to look for food from people, they pick flowers or just try to uproot whole plants, and they pick up interesting stones...
last year over 12 million people came through the park...if all of them took one stone, in a few years it would be the great smoky hole in the fucking ground, and the international biosphere reserve that hosts some of the rarest animals on earth would be dead....
Wow, aren't you easily triggered :'D
Making wrong conclusions like that, the least you could do is apologize to a fellow diver. No need to connect with me, you bitter man.
CunningCanuk
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I didn’t mean to be argumentative if you took my post that way. I grew up in the east coast and have friends who are fishermen so I was referring to some in the fishing industry who lack that respect.
I love the ocean and fresh seafood and eat everything from it. Having friends as fishermen allowed me the luxury of the freshest and it’s the thing I miss the most. Being able to hunt and spearfish your dinner is very cool and I’m not surprised you would be a respectful sportsman.
I’ve never tried abalone steaks, wish I had.
Fogdog
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Commercial fishermen are a whole different story than sportsmen. I've seen fishery after fishery decline and only a few recover. Over fishing is usually the cause although with the ocean temperatures rising, fisheries have other pressures. This is why I generally won't eat commercially caught fish. But I don't fault the fishermen, I fault the people who interfere with regulating the industry. Some of the problems in my area are due to sketchy fishermen but most that I know are small timers who are just trying to get by and can't take chance of forfeiting their licenses.
Farmed abalone is a real thing and one can find it on menus in California. I'd recommend at least trying it if you ever get the chance.
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Once harvested commercially until few were left in the wild, California red abalone is so delicious that demand is ongoing. Now the farmed abalone available at two Bay Area operations is said to taste even better than the wild kind and is a "best choice" according to the Monterey Bay Aquarium's...
Fogdog
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sir, stop following me about.
I bought otter stamps today as a sign of solidarity.
Fogdog
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Otters are amazing. I was diving in Monterey, CA and one swam up to me to see if I had any treats for it. It was disappointed.
That one had so much air trapped in its fur that it shimmered. Like quicksilver.
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Sativied
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I said something similar a year or two ago in this forum and people laughed at me, tried to hurt my feelings.
In addition to 3rd world developing countries, they also own Serbia, upcoming eu member, where they too corrupt the government to avoid laws. Everytime you buy a product made in China you indirectly sponsor concentration camps and slavery in China, extra votes for China in the UN, and a 7-day workweek for the Masaai. Funny true story: some Masaai dude got a job building a chinese railroad in Kenya but he didn’t understand Chinese, so he messed up, pissing off the Chinese foreman who slapped the Maasai dude, not realizing slapping Masaai men is major taboo, only women and children can be slapped in Masaai culture. So they beat him to death. It’s funny cause the Masaai are one of the tallest ethnic groups in the world. (don’t have a link, it’s from an interview with another Masaai). Unfortunately the 10,000 children in the effectively chinese owned mica mines in Madagascar are not that capable of defending themselves.
I played a similar scenario in my head about Putin a Xi and Taiwan. I was thinking regardless of agreeing to team up, Russia’s actions in Ukraine might be bad news for Taiwan, an inspiration for China. But then it’s a different situation. Both the US and China’s military needs Taiwanese chips. We all do, for our beloved mobile devices. Gas you can cut off, take away people’s smartphones and we’ll form a multicultural human chain around Taiwan’s factories. I think China’s desire for us to order more on aliexpress is stronger than their will to take Taiwan by force. At least for now, they still have other options and they play the long game. Also funny true story: a popular attraction for chinese tourists going on daytrips to Taiwan is a demonstration of a huge cannon they would use if China would attack. At the end they applaud. They’re pretty weird on both sides.
Not that I think Russia has right to claim any part of Ukraine, but China has even less right to claim Taiwan. Taiwan has never been part of China, rather, China was part of "Taiwan". But like it or not, borders are fluid, they've been changing and will continue to change. International law doesn't mean shit, there is only a handful of truly sovereign nations and they're the boss of everyone else. Not sure how long Taiwan could keep the status quo, fortunately, for now it suits both sides
Rob Roy
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Apologies, what would I have done about what?
Jimdamick
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Instead of using nuclear weapons to force Japan to surrender.
What would you do?
Negotiations with them?
Fat chance
Say your grandfather was about to land on the mainland & you know tens of thousands of our soldiers would die doing it, maybe him, would you bomb or not, knowing that.
Would you pull the trigger?
Personally, I'd probably pause for a moment & think of all the American families that would be destroyed if we invaded.
Then, I'd pull the trigger.
And yea, they did start it, didn't they?
Rob Roy
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Thanks for clarifying your question.
I would not incinerate thousands of innocent people, I don't have the right to. It's wrong.
Also, without going into it too deeply, your scenario of "we had to nuke them or a bazillion American soldiers would have died invading Japan" is historically inaccurate. Propaganda.
I don't see people as collectively guilty. I see individuals as innocent or guilty. I only have the right to defend, not to incinerate women and children.
As an aside, I don't like terms like "collateral damage" being substituted for what it really is, murder.
The nuke killing of innocent people can't even be dismissed as "collateral damage". The reason why is, it wasn't even a "whoops we fired at soldiers, but by mistake killed some non soldiers" . When those nukes were dropped on Japan it was well known women, children and babies would be killed. Inexcusable.
If you had somehow horribly wronged me, and ran into an apartment building, should I be held responsible if in the course of killing you I also killed 47 other people in the building I blew up in order to get you?
Wattzzup
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Roger A. Shrubber
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he could bore them to death explaining how taxes are a method of slavery@Rob Roy would say pretty please and hoped they stopped
Wattzzup
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That dude is so out of touch with reality
He would also try to trade tomatoes with them.@Rob Roy would say pretty please and hoped they stopped
Rob Roy
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C'mon man! Rice.