Should i trim leaves? Day 28 since the flip

Afgan King said:

Btw it's done commercially because when you have 180 plants crammed into a room with 45 lights and they are crammed and slam do you
A. Not want good air movement and penetration leading to a healthier plant over all and an easier one to spray and deal with in general
B. Take it off to ensure light gets to every bud site and allow more air movement and creating a healthier environment. ALSO makes it easier to get thru the room when wall to wall and easier to spray. But I mean you'd have to of grown thousand plants commercially to know that defoliation in flower does work

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1) why couldn't you just say that to begin with instead of first having to put me and others down.
2) that applies to your personal situation not to the op or others in general.
3) why do you remove leaves from the third or fourth node down but then also lollipop if the idea is to get light to every bud site?

according to what you've said you are removing leaves AND bud sites. leaving the upper part of the plants intact with their leaves and having the lower part as just a truck. way different than removing just leaves for better light penetration.

Trimming leafs: Oh yes.....Everyone is all over the map on this one to include experts. So this is what I do on my grow. Some strains like WW get extremely bushy, My Crown Royal produces HUGE!...fan leafs and not so many colas. So I do selectively remove leafs that totally cover up colas To allow them to move up towards the canopy top quicker and it works. About a week or so before flipping to flower I remove all growth from the bottom 1/3 of my plants. I am not says this is the best or worse method. What I can say is that it works for me and my grow.

I've 4 Sensi Star just into flowering about a week.
3 single stemer clones and a mother plant.
I'm not going to touch these 4 plants.... for a change.
Ive 30 more elsewhere and I rip the crap outta them.
Been doing it for years.
It might not be the defoliation of fan leaves that I'm doing though.

I can remove the shitty undergrowth, sub branches, water shoots and dump them now or wait till harvest and remove 2 or 3 times more shitty undergrowth, sub branches, water shoots and dump them at harvest.

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MisterBouncyBounce said:

1) why couldn't you just say that to begin with instead of first having to put me and others down.
2) that applies to your personal situation not to the op or others in general.
3) why do you remove leaves from the third or fourth node down but then also lollipop if the idea is to get light to every bud site?

according to what you've said you are removing leaves AND bud sites. leaving the upper part of the plants intact with their leaves and having the lower part as just a truck. way different than removing just leaves for better light penetration.

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You lollipop to concentrate bud growth. If I have a 5-6ft tall plant why wouldn't I want it focus energy on the spots getting proper par compared to parts that are further away? Lights only have good par for so much penetration before it diminishes. Why you remove some from top and lollipop. And i gave you an attitude like you gave me. Don't dish out shit if you don't want shit in return. I said my peice you wanna argue you can do it alone. I have an agricultural consultant business in Colorado and have grown commercially and personally for a long time. Please stop when I guarantee I've prob popped more seeds this year than you've ever seen plants.

Afgan King said:

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You lollipop to concentrate bud growth. If I have a 5-6ft tall plant why wouldn't I want it focus energy on the spots getting proper par compared to parts that are further away? Lights only have good par for so much penetration before it diminishes. Why you remove some from top and lollipop. And i gave you an attitude like you gave me. Don't dish out shit if you don't want shit in return. I said my peice you wanna argue you can do it alone. I have an agricultural consultant business in Colorado and have grown commercially and personally for a long time. Please stop when I guarantee I've prob popped more seeds this year than you've ever seen plants.

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i said with all due respect...................that wasn't sarcasm, i meant it. forget that.

sorry but "my dick is bigger than yours" is not an argument. it's nothing.

so like all i have to do to be right is pop a million more seeds than you?

please.

MisterBouncyBounce said:

i said with all due respect...................that wasn't sarcasm, i meant it. forget that.

sorry but "my dick is bigger than yours" is not an argument. it's nothing.

so like all i have to do to be right is pop a million more seeds than you?

please.

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Im sorry when you go to a doctor do u go to a guy in med school or a guy who wants to be a doctor or the guy with years and years of experience.....sry I stated my résumé

But you're right don't know dick about the 50,000+ plus I've grown. You're right let me find someone who has a single plant grow has 4 runs and thinks he's got it down. I'm sry I stated my case and you took offense I'm sry I stated my résumé and you took offense but my point is does the dude whos grown 100 plants in their life know more than the guy thats grown 10,000 commercially this year

Afgan King said:

Im sorry when you go to a doctor do u go to a guy in med school or a guy who wants to be a doctor or the guy with years and years of experience.....sry I stated my résumé

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my goodness. ok you are king swami all knowing all seeing lord of the spider mites.
i bow to your eminence.

Afgan King said:

But you're right don't know dick about the 50,000+ plus I've grown. You're right let me find someone who has a single plant grow has 4 runs and thinks he's got it down. I'm sry I stated my case and you took offense I'm sry I stated my résumé and you took offense but my point is does the dude whos grown 100 plants in their life know more than the guy thats grown 10,000 commercially this year

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dude you can put your dick back in your pants, i concede. you really put me in my place. stupid me, i should have known not to tangle with a King.

MisterBouncyBounce said:

my goodness. ok you are king swami all knowing all seeing lord of the spider mites.
i bow to your eminence.

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Im not saying bow down to me at all but you gotta understand things like defoliation has to be done on time and properly or you will get bad results. Do day 4-5 of flower day 22-23. Remove all large water leaves below 3rd node it'll allow light penetration and better growth below along with better air circulation. The reason this in particular technique is so argued about is due to people not doing it right. Honestly it's hard to explain perfectly easier to just show. I know tons of people who had done it to wrong strains(Indica's) and had horrible results. Each type is different Sativa's and hybrids respond the best Indica's like it but just not as heavyby any means

Iv tried doing it to different levels of lolliepopping. In the end it really made shit all difference to the top buds. About the only thing different is it made photos look better since the bud looked bigger but thats about the same as shaving your pubes to make your wang look bigger.
If anything not touching the plants at all gave the best results since they youd have lots of little buds down low to be used to making hash or butter. Top buds ended up exactly the same.

majins said:

Iv tried doing it to different levels of lolliepopping. In the end it really made shit all difference to the top buds. About the only thing different is it made photos look better since the bud looked bigger but thats about the same as shaving your pubes to make your wang look bigger.
If anything not touching the plants at all gave the best results since they youd have lots of little buds down low to be used to making hash or butter. Top buds ended up exactly the same.

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The airy larf buds don't get bagged for me so why would I leave them? My people want rock hard resinous nugs that are perfect. only thing I would do with larf is blast it and even then still rather cut it before it even spends the energy trying to build the buds. You can see the bud sites everywhere that are exposed to full light and can see in the pic third node down is stripped everywhere

Afgan King said:

Im not saying bow down to me at all but you gotta understand things like defoliation has to be done on time and properly or you will get bad results. Do day 4-5 of flower day 22-23. Remove all large water leaves below 3rd node it'll allow light penetration and better growth below along with better air circulation. The reason this in particular technique is so argued about is due to people not doing it right. Honestly it's hard to explain perfectly easier to just show. I know tons of people who had done it to wrong strains(Indica's) and had horrible results. Each type is different Sativa's and hybrids respond the best Indica's like it but just not as heavyby any means

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i guess things get stated in too black or white fashion. strip leaves or not. when it's really more complex than that.

MisterBouncyBounce said:

i guess things get stated in too black or white fashion. strip leaves or not. when it's really more complex than that.

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Bro there is soooooo much grey area with it and I only know it from dealing with thousands of plants a day. I was a cloning and veg manager for a grow that had 5000 plants and 456 clones at all times. You learn a lot really quick when you're constantly around changing strains they have over 100 strains running in that same warehouse now. There's definitely no easy way to explain it believe me. And when people see defoliation they think I mean like 3 a light where that dude legit strips everything....which I don't agree with but you could get away with on sativa leaning hybrids. There's so many trains of thought on this plant and the truth is everyone in horticulture learned about every plant besides this one. This plant doesn't have a lot of research except by our government. whenever I teach people it I prefer in person cuz wording can get mixed up and so on it's just way easier to show in person. And again I wasn't trying to be a dick I've just done this on so many plants I'm convinced it's just dependent on strain and other factors that you get so many varying results

majins said:

Iv tried doing it to different levels of lolliepopping. In the end it really made shit all difference to the top buds. About the only thing different is it made photos look better since the bud looked bigger but thats about the same as shaving your pubes to make your wang look bigger.
If anything not touching the plants at all gave the best results since they youd have lots of little buds down low to be used to making hash or butter. Top buds ended up exactly the same.

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this is what ive noticed aswell! its all about canopy management if you dont want larf the budsit shouldnt be there when you go into flower. train your plant before flower not during.

Grojak said:

Do you seek attention you're not getting at home? No ones arguing (yet) and you're petty attempt to get something going just makes you look dumb as "fuk", yes I spelt it in a way your would understand since proper spelling seems to be just out of your reach. Troll on with your bad self.

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Afgan King said:

Btw it's done commercially because when you have 180 plants crammed into a room with 45 lights and they are crammed and slam do you
A. Not want good air movement and penetration leading to a healthier plant over all and an easier one to spray and deal with in general
B. Take it off to ensure light gets to every bud site and allow more air movement and creating a healthier environment. ALSO makes it easier to get thru the room when wall to wall and easier to spray. But I mean you'd have to of grown thousand plants commercially to know that defoliation in flower does work

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Gro jak and afgan king have proven my point on the argumentative nature of the defoliation technique, I did reply earlier but deleted it as I don't want to buy into the chest puffing, my ways better than yours arguments that go on surrounding defoliation. And gro jak ... Your inane attempt to try and belittle my intelligence by pointing out any grammatical errors in my post just proves what a sad excuse for a human being you are .... It pains me that you are not receiving the appropriate mental health support you so obviously need . Obama care has failed you on so many levels . The most worrying thing about your situation though is the lack of compassion you have for your parents , did your name gro jak possibly come about due to the fact that you don't Grow Jack shit or is it just a spelling mistake ?

chchhazed said:

Gro jak and afgan king have proven my point on the argumentative nature of the defoliation technique, I did reply earlier but deleted it as I don't want to buy into the chest puffing, my ways better than yours arguments that go on surrounding defoliation. And gro jak ... Your inane attempt to try and belittle my intelligence by pointing out any grammatical errors in my post just proves what a sad excuse for a human being you are .... It pains me that you are not receiving the appropriate mental health support you so obviously need . Obama care has failed you on so many levels . The most worrying thing about your situation though is the lack of compassion you have for your parents , did your name gro jak possibly come about due to the fact that you don't Grow Jack shit or is it just a spelling mistake ?

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Right dude, you deleted your post so you can be extra passive aggressive.... no one came here to argue you just insisted on trying to talk some crap, makes you look wise beyond your years. C'mon man at least come original you basically are trying to put me down and make me feel bad be rehashing what I said to you about attention.... you deserve a slow clap...


"did your name gro jak possibly come about due to the fact that you don't Grow Jack shit or is it just a spelling mistake" ?

bravo!! bravo!!!

Now go troll another thread, adults are trying to speak.

I'm just gonna let em finish, they seen to be healthy, and started fattening up

For a 150w hps and being my first grow, I think they look healthy, they fattening up decent for four weeks of flower

Looks good buddy I personally wouldn't mess with your plants till u know them. I do a lot of diff shit but been doing it a long time and if done wrong can hurt yield but can improve yield if right. Best thing to do learn your plants learn what they love and keep researching great job for a 150