should all drugs be legalised?.

xtsho

xtsho

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GrassBurner said:
Make everything 100% legal, in designated areas. Basically you set up a small camp, with social service workers and recovered addicts. Set up beds, showers, and have dedicated medical personnel. It sounds expensive, but its a bargain compared to the damage being done to our society everyday.
Drugs are symptoms, not a problem. For someone to feel so lost, unwanted, or forgotten that they would throw their life away for a momentary escape is heartbreaking. Instead of forcing these lost souls into the cracks and crevices of society, we need to bring them to a place where they can begin to heal. We're gonna have to set our egos aside and offer grace to those who may not deserve it.
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Screw that. Just more money down the drain. Drugs are the problem not a symptom and I don't care about trying to rehabilitate some 40 year old meth addict. I'm sick of it as are most people that have to deal with these things everytime we leave our house. I have no more grace left in me.

Some places already have camps for them paid for by taxpayers. Around here the public parks are congregating areas. Seeing someone at a park bench nodding off with a needle hanging out of their arm is not uncommon. They've taken over the dog parks with their tents, trash, piles of stolen bikes, and their mangy, untrained pitbull mixes that attack people and their dogs.

They have plenty of camps already.


 
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OG-KGP

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Hard drugs ruin lives in general. But the drugs are the precursor to the real issue. How the drug addict behaves when out of drugs and money. This is when stealing and violence can take over.
 
DrOgkush

DrOgkush

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Homeless and drug addicted people are 2 different kinds. Don’t mix that up. Most drug addicts are homeless. Not all homeless are drug addicts. I know a guy that literally bothers nobody. Doesn’t ask for anything. And try’s to stay out of site. Sometimes you have to just sit down and talk for a bit and treat them humanly. Sometimes he just wants to know how mine and my ladies day went. Thats all. I wish I could help him more
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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xtsho said:
It's gotten crazy. They've taken over the parks, school yards, shooting up out in the open. They're harassing people, stealing everything in sight, and now with the defund police nonsense they don't even respond here in Portland to burglaries, theft, car thefts, etc... Unless it's an active shooting and someone has a gun don't even bother calling the cops. The addicts are free to steal as they please and shoot up wherever they want even right in front of a passing cop. They don't even bother to give them the stupid $100 ticket which is the penalty here because it's a waste of time.

I'm biased and I'll admit it. I don't give a damn about the addicts. But I do give a damn about the hundreds of thousands of households here in Portland and the parents that want to just raise their children in a decent environment. They can't do that because the addicts have taken over. I've watched this once beautiful city become a cesspool of scumbags, their trash, the crime they bring, the needles they leave everywhere, it's disgusting.

They decriminalized heroine, cocaine, meth, etc... here in Oregon. It hasn't done anything but bring more addicts here. Their goal was to get people into treatment and that's been as dismal a failure as the success rate of these worthless treatment programs that are nothing but a revolving door and a waste of money.

Anyone that thinks legalizing hard drugs is a good idea then how about you letting them come to your neighborhood to steal and urinate in front of your house. It's all fine and dandy until they set up a tent in front of your house. Which they don't at mine as I run those vermin off if I see them slowing down with their shopping cart full of garbage. Since the City won't do anything myself and a few neighbors don't hesitate to take matters into our own hands. Some will say that we can't do that and these people have rights. I don't care about their damn rights. How about my right to work in my front yard without worrying about used needles in my landscaping? A few have tried to setup camp on my street. They were met with swift determined opposition and will be anytime they think they're hanging out on my block.
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Alcohol is legal, but drinking on the street, pissing in someone's yard and general public intoxication are not.
 
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Uglyrichie

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xtsho said:
It's gotten crazy. They've taken over the parks, school yards, shooting up out in the open. They're harassing people, stealing everything in sight, and now with the defund police nonsense they don't even respond here in Portland to burglaries, theft, car thefts, etc... Unless it's an active shooting and someone has a gun don't even bother calling the cops. The addicts are free to steal as they please and shoot up wherever they want even right in front of a passing cop. They don't even bother to give them the stupid $100 ticket which is the penalty here because it's a waste of time.

I'm biased and I'll admit it. I don't give a damn about the addicts. But I do give a damn about the hundreds of thousands of households here in Portland and the parents that want to just raise their children in a decent environment. They can't do that because the addicts have taken over. I've watched this once beautiful city become a cesspool of scumbags, their trash, the crime they bring, the needles they leave everywhere, it's disgusting.

They decriminalized heroine, cocaine, meth, etc... here in Oregon. It hasn't done anything but bring more addicts here. Their goal was to get people into treatment and that's been as dismal a failure as the success rate of these worthless treatment programs that are nothing but a revolving door and a waste of money.

Anyone that thinks legalizing hard drugs is a good idea then how about you letting them come to your neighborhood to steal and urinate in front of your house. It's all fine and dandy until they set up a tent in front of your house. Which they don't at mine as I run those vermin off if I see them slowing down with their shopping cart full of garbage. Since the City won't do anything myself and a few neighbors don't hesitate to take matters into our own hands. Some will say that we can't do that and these people have rights. I don't care about their damn rights. How about my right to work in my front yard without worrying about used needles in my landscaping? A few have tried to setup camp on my street. They were met with swift determined opposition and will be anytime they think they're hanging out on my block.
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I was just at my neices softball game there a couple months back. They have to needle walk the fields before games. I forget the parks name but there is a dicks nearby and a marina. Parts of Wa is the same.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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HGCC said:
We tried something approaching that, its been shitty. It killed off my sympathy for the issue, at least in terms of how it exists locally.

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That's just disgusting but I see plenty of that same crap whenever I leave my house. I won't say what I would have done to that punk that blew the meth smoke in that lady's face in the video. That looks like half of Portland.
 
lusidghost

lusidghost

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xtsho said:
That's just disgusting but I see plenty of that same crap whenever I leave my house. I won't say what I would have done to that punk that blew the meth smoke in that lady's face in the video. That looks like half of Portland.
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I remember hearing how Portland was a homeless methy heroin hellhole in the early 2000s. It was like the mecca for every junky I knew. They would get hooked here, not be able to afford it, catch a greyhound out there, become hardcore punk rockers for whatever reason, then prostitutes, then rack up a bunch of arrests, then move back.
 
xtsho

xtsho

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lusidghost said:
I remember hearing how Portland was a homeless methy heroin hellhole in the early 2000s. It was like the mecca for every junky I knew. They would get hooked here, not be able to afford it, catch a greyhound out there, become hardcore punk rockers for whatever reason, then prostitutes, then rack up a bunch of arrests, then move back.
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Nobody's moving back once they get here. They're all staying these days.

I was born here and have lived here all my life. I've never seen things this bad and never thought I would. Portland's always had it's seedy areas like any other large city but now instead of this street here and that street there now it's the entire city it seems like.

I'll say one thing, I'm not alone here when I say enough of this shit. Something needs to be done and legalizing drugs isn't it. People here are at their breaking point. Previous talk of defunding the police isn't popular anymore. Liberal Democrats that were anti-gun are buying firearms in record numbers. The riots and the crime have changed many people's minds. As it should. When faced with their own safety and quality of life people tend to rethink things.

What really sucks is that just years ago Portland was ranked as one of the best cities in the country and was a destination for travelers from all over the world. It was a thriving beautiful city. The fall from grace has been brutal leaving us Portlanders in disbelief at what's happened in such a short amount of time. I'm both sad and angry.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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Us as well, we had the normal crazy city stuff (more than any other city I have been in actually), when carona hit and everyone stopped going downtown it just became a shit show. Business doesn't want to be down there, I believe my company is making the choice to not reopen their main downtown office/building as nobody wants to go there to work as they don't feel safe now and it's not attractive to bring clients in.
 
CatHedral

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OG-KGP said:
Hard drugs ruin lives in general. But the drugs are the precursor to the real issue. How the drug addict behaves when out of drugs and money. This is when stealing and violence can take over.
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If they are legalized, supply and cost will no longer be the issue they are, especially if government operates subsidized dispensaries.
The great advantage will be cutting off the massive revenue stream to the organized criminal enterprises currently profiting from prohibition.
 
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Uglyrichie

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Isn't that what the slacker family did or the pill mills that kinda jumped started this mess. And when the government realized there was a problem organized crime stepped in to fill the demand. Alot of places won't prescribe pain pills anymore do to this. I just spent a year in intense pain while waiting for surgery. It's how I got my medical card. Anti inflamitories and gabbapentin didn't do anything so I tried cbd.
 
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OG-KGP

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CatHedral said:
If they are legalized, supply and cost will no longer be the issue they are, especially if government operates subsidized dispensaries.
The great advantage will be cutting off the massive revenue stream to the organized criminal enterprises currently profiting from prohibition.
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When Michigan legalized pot the prices sky rocketed. Black market went down due to the supply being more than the demand. The legal price stayed up there because of taxes, licenses, and overhead of all the hands that touch it have to make a profit before it is sold to the consumer.

You can say what you want, but when our government is arresting and charging people with crimes, then "legalize" and they become the non-criminal drug dealer making tons of profit via taxes, whos worse? The revenue just shifted from one shady person to a shady politician. I don't see that as a win.
 
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Uglyrichie

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Sorry tried to find a local news report about a fentinyal bust they are daily here now. Government can't compete with cheap drugs and a rising tolerance
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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OG-KGP said:
When Michigan legalized pot the prices sky rocketed. Black market went down due to the supply being more than the demand. The legal price stayed up there because of taxes, licenses, and overhead of all the hands that touch it have to make a profit before it is sold to the consumer.

You can say what you want, but when our government is arresting and charging people with crimes, then "legalize" and they become the non-criminal drug dealer making tons of profit via taxes, whos worse? The revenue just shifted from one shady person to a shady politician. I don't see that as a win.
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Interesting that you don’t touch the big benefit: undercutting the black market to the tune of billions per annum.

I disagree that politicians will make money by such a scheme. The agency running the program will be made of career public servants, like most of the Federal apparatus.

As for pot prices, that is a racket and arguably a cartel. That will change, possibly slowly.
 
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