Rob Roy
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We're not talking about the check you get, "Anarchist".
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We're not talking about the check you get, "Anarchist".
Harrekin
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Rob Roy
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Letting others define our reality can be dangerous. For instance, many political borders tend to be imaginary lines....
I don't like geo-political borders, but I do recognize many people "believe" they exist. How can a consensus of people believing in something that is largely imaginary make it real?
Rob Roy
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I agree, his position does seem to rely on a contradiction and the existence of a central authority doesn't it?
In his defense, I don't believe he's a Wendy's patron though, so it could be possible to get even moar retarded..
abandonconflict
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Capitalism can not exist without government to protect private property.
abandonconflict
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Speaking of contradictions, if you're so opposed to socialism, why do you often quote socialists like George Orwell and Lysander Spooner?
Rob Roy
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Neither can forced socialism, but a free market can.
Also, why use government as a singular, why not multiple governments existing in a given area, rather than just one?
abandonconflict
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We're talking about the land you bitch about paying property taxes on. You only own it because the gov't took it from its original inhabitants.
abandonconflict
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Ah, so now you're a socialist who opposes private property.
Rob Roy
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It's not contradictory to acknowledge a good idea, even if the person espousing it doesn't measure up to your ideals in every other way.
For instance I could acknowledge someones gardening skills, without embracing their fast food bathroom habits.
Plus Spooner had a cool beard.
abandonconflict
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The actual reason is that anarchism is a form of socialism. There is no such thing as Anarchocapitalism. You want to quote anarchists, but they're all socialists.
Rob Roy
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No. I am an individual that rejects forced collectivism and embraces free and consensual human interactions.
Rob Roy
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Quoting a person isn't a blanket endorsement or rejection of them, is it?
I believe that coercion in a system makes that system suspect, regardless of what people call that system. Do you?
abandonconflict
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Private property is not free or consensual.
abandonconflict
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When you use the words of a socialist to express your views, you are either endorsing their views (socialism) or pulling something out of context to distort their views.
Rob Roy
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Okay. Then humor me for a bit.
A person travels to the other side of the mountain, which is uninhabited. He builds a cabin, creates a garden and begins to make various other improvements, animals, tools, etc. Does he "own" that space that he is improving? I say yes, he mixed his labor with natural resources and the fruit of his labor is owned by him. Also, importantly, no other person was there first, doing the same things.
abandonconflict
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So you concede that my point is valid.
Notice that I don't acknowledge your hypothetical bs because we live in reality.
Rob Roy
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Not really. You might coin a good saying, that doesn't mean by repeating what you say in that instance, I am embracing every other thing you say or have said, some of which I might find objectionable or inaccurate.
Rob Roy
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I concede nothing in that instance. I said okay as a figure of speech and acknowledgment of what you said.
I live in the forest and chew bark, eat grubs and howl at the moon. Yet you, have "liked" some of my posts, does that mean you want a piece of my bark and will forego your usual cheetoh breakfast, because now you embrace every other thing I've said?
Have you been smoking marijuana again young man?
abandonconflict
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Yes really. The word libertarian was coined by a socialist. You're not just quoting socialists in order to describe your philosophy but the actual pioneers of your philosophy are so reproachable that you refuse to quote them.
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