seems like alot of souviener's are getting found by custum's?!

Hey glad, dontcha think you oughta hit a pay phone up and give the ole customs office in chicago a call and let them know mos def is working for em? i think they might like to know that. might solve all our problems too. and i guess if you don't wanna some one should right? some ass hole goes back to flippin burgers and we get our beans without issue! or at least we get green tape lol


P.s. I realize this is "snitching" (incoming shit storm lol) but after getting a note like that its just seems justified and is it snitching if your takin out a Leo with it?

and P.s. Don't lie you know you are just ordering fems you don't gotta be embarrassed!!!! lol i kid.

I have got to be close to 100 bean orders by now between all the seedbanks. 1 was bound to get snagged up.
It's got to be a huge pain in the dick for attitude. They are replacing all these orders.

gladstoned said:

"Dan the Man
You sly little devil.
We found em!"

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sorry... but that's awesome.

bwest said:

They don't put a return address on the envelope.

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Lack of a return address is a big red flag for customs to search a package.

bluntmassa1 said:

ya but when they scan the package I would imagine the return address shows up.

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Probably NOT. Tracking can only list the point of origin of the package, which may be a post office or box. Unless the package is actually sent from the same mailing address as the place it was packed, there would be no way for any tracking to know that.

althor said:

I personally believe the non-guaranteed letters have better chances of making it through customs. T-shirts, coffee mugs, etc, are more likely to hide contraband then a letter. Also, I am sure they consider even if it were contraband in a letter it couldn't be very much at all.

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I agree with this.

gladstoned said:

The thief put a personal message in my box, I don't think for a minute my beans were turned in. No seizure paper and a personal
note equals person(s) collecting a fuck load of seeds from all the posts of stolen orders.

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Well, just because they put in a little note to screw with you doesn't necessarily mean they took the beans for personal use or resale. They may have. . .they may not have.

Either way, I have zero doubt that in many cases they don't follow protocol and just toss low-end contraband. If so, that's a GOOD thing. . .would you rather have them document everything if/when they find a shipment?

Also, I don't think trying to complain about this to customs is going to accomplish anything, because any customs agents doing this are probably doing it with the full knowledge and tacit approval of their superiors.

So happy I ordered my beans years ago and have been cloning my winners since it's only gonna get more difficult

Thundercat said:

I can tell you with 100% certainty that the only reason that vote failed was because of growers and dealers in Cali. In the time coming up to the vote, and after the vote I can't tell you how many people on various forums, and articles I read about it admitted to it. There are sooo many growers and dealers that "would loose my job" or "loose so much of my profits" that many of them voted against full legalization. You can do your own research into it, but it didn't seem like any one was keeping it a secret. I think its terrible, and bad example of our community. People need to grow weed not greed!

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Yeah, probably a significant number of people working in the MMJ industry (legal and illegal) voted against legalization for the reasons you suggest, because illegal weed and strict MMJ regulation keeps prices high. There were also legitimate MJ proponents who voted against it, because they though it would weaken protection for MMJ, permit stricter local regulation, and increase tax burdens.

Of course if you look at the cannabis boards, you're going to get the impression that these things are what made the difference, but mathematically I just don't think it can be true.

Remember, the proposal lost by 7 full points. . .it wasn't even close. The official final tally for CA prop 19 was 5,333,230 votes against vs 4,643,592 for a net loss by over 689,000 votes. That margin of loss almost certainly exceeds the total number of individuals who work in the CA MMJ industry, and of course there were still probably plenty of people who do who still voted for it. Incidentally, currently there are 18 million registered to vote in CA. . .a lot of people sat out that vote!

You can argue about how harmful legalization would be for the current MMJ industry (in my opinion, it wouldn't at all end it. . .all the ones currently buying MMJ from dispensaries aren't suddenly going to STOP buying it because they don't need a card anymore, and there would be a whole new market created for non-card holders, including out of state residents), but that's a separate discussion.

If you want the best explanations of why this failed, you can read some fairly good ones here:

http://theweek.com/article/index/208909/why-did-prop-19-fail-6-theories

http://www.newser.com/story/104498/why-proposition-19-failed.html

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/11/03/whom-or-what-to-blame-for-prop-19s-epic-fail/

I think the first article pretty much nails it. With cannabis already decriminalized, the biggest incentive non-smokers had to vote for legalization was gone; mid term elections were just a bad time for this, since the voting demographic skews much more heavily towards older anti-pot voters, rather than younger pro-pot ones; and this particular referendum was also opposed by every big-name CA politician, including both Senators and the Governor.

Whether or not something like this can pass again in CA in a few years time remains to be seen. I think if CO and WA don't have serious problems with their legalization efforts, the chances of other States (including CA) adopting similar measures improve.

But the main point related to this thread is just that you can't expect customs to stop seizing cannabis ceeds until importation of them is legalized. That simply isn't going to happen until/unless the Federal controlled substances act is amended, and even then importation of ceeds may still be banned. Meanwhile, as a measure of national sentiment, if even liberal pro-pot States like CA can't legalize, the chance of this happening at a Federal level is zero.

Bottom line is, on a policy level, legal importation of beans isn't even on the radar screen. If it happens at all, that kind of thing is probably 20 years off. On the other hand, with slowly increasing domestic legalization on a State level, domestic availability of beans is probably only going to increase. Over the next ten years, it very well may be possible for small seed-banks to open in certain States, where any adult can walk in with cash and out with beans. That's already the case in some places if you've got an MMJ card. Small banks like this can't possibly offer the same selection as something like "Attitude", though they wouldn't need to. . .20 types of high quality beans from 3-4 breeders would be plenty, and many/most of them could even be produced locally.

I`m just thinking out loud here. but if I were living in the Chicago area I would go to the customs website and find the addy to the inspection center and do some dumpster diving. I`ve had to work with these inspectors way back when and doing their job is very troublesome for them. what I mean by that is they are more than likely have to store these for a set amount of time because you can dispute the rejection after that period I would say they have to destroy the items, but I would say they just toss them.

SeedHo said:

I`m just thinking out loud here. but if I were living in the Chicago area I would go to the customs website and find the addy to the inspection center and do some dumpster diving. I`ve had to work with these inspectors way back when and doing their job is very troublesome for them. what I mean by that is they are more than likely have to store these for a set amount of time because you can dispute the rejection after that period I would say they have to destroy the items, but I would say they just toss them.

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don't know. The government is pretty good at fucking shit up

I'm certain they wouldn't be using dumpsters at a facility like that. Either large compactors like grocery stores use, or a small incinerator like a funeral home perhaps considering that anything they throw away is going to be illegal in the first place.

Attitude reshipped the order this morning.

very nice. grats grats! my question is what happens when the beans you order were rare? like no more packs. do they guarantee it like they should and have a back up pack for all packs they ship? i somehow doubt it.

^ nope you'll get screwed.

rare is way hard to replace. those kind of beans you definitely pay extra for the hidin'.

me = i've never ever one time used stealth ship option. cheapest, slowest, lowest method.
why? cause you guys be ordering shwag. & the other option is low key & small.
fuck that. one shit tee-shirt is enough. & i needs my beans!

& see ....this is why they'll NEVER get me inter-continental.
UNITE seed freaks , trade with your good buddies inside your own country.

im familiar with some good people.
meet a bunch of DICKS too!

but im still grinding grinding in the grow game for pure l-o-v-E.

haters can pop fly & customs can steal your beans & F(ake) A(ss) G(rowers) can gank your cuts cause they came to RIU with nada , but i say nug pudding is proof.

i likes my seed , i likes my clones.

SeedHo said:

I`m just thinking out loud here. but if I were living in the Chicago area I would go to the customs website and find the addy to the inspection center and do some dumpster diving. I`ve had to work with these inspectors way back when and doing their job is very troublesome for them. what I mean by that is they are more than likely have to store these for a set amount of time because you can dispute the rejection after that period I would say they have to destroy the items, but I would say they just toss them.

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I think the chance of you retrieving viable beans from some dumpster behind customs is zero point zero.

Customs seizes all sorts of contraband, including significant amounts of actual drugs.

Yes, they're supposed to store seized contraband as potential evidence for some period of time internally, but then they destroy it. They won't disclose how exactly they do, but its probably by incineration, maybe inside their facility, maybe outside. Either way, they sure as hell don't just toss this stuff in an unsecured dumpster out back!

If you really want to snag beans from customs, your best bet is probably to apply for a job there!

HGK420 said:

very nice. grats grats! my question is what happens when the beans you order were rare? like no more packs. do they guarantee it like they should and have a back up pack for all packs they ship? i somehow doubt it.

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There is no way they possibly could do that, and if you think about it for a moment, the rarer the pack, the harder it would be to replace them.

If your rare beans are sold out, and your order gets lost, you're SOL.

In some cases they may be able to replace them with something similar from the same or a different breeder, or alternatively they may be able to offer you store credit to get something else of the same value of your choice, but that's about all they can realistically do.

Jogro said:

I think the chance of you retrieving viable beans from some dumpster behind customs is zero point zero.

Customs seizes all sorts of contraband, including significant amounts of actual drugs.

Yes, they're supposed to store seized contraband as potential evidence for some period of time internally, but then they destroy it. They won't disclose how exactly they do, but its probably by incineration, maybe inside their facility, maybe outside. Either way, they sure as hell don't just toss this stuff in an unsecured dumpster out back!

If you really want to snag beans from customs, your best bet is probably to apply for a job there!

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that's what they would like you to believe, but i have problems believing that any u.s. government agency simply tosses good drugs into the garbage, or burns them, either way i think it's a bunch of bs.. i've been all over this country and not a once have i ever been walking down the street and smelled pounds and pounds of coke and or weed being burnt at one time as in a mass burning of confiscated product.. i'm being a bit silly about this of course, but i find it hard to buy that they simply don't make a dime off of confiscated products..

the same i will never buy that the popo also burn all of the confiscated drugs that they get over the year.. no way in hell these people would throw away the massive amounts of money that could be made by selling these drugs back to the streets.. don't buy it for a red second..

shit you know the CIA funds secret wars with drug money.
kilos of coke aint up in smoke.

even grand master flash's nose knows.
them white bricks be on street corners all over big city usa.

cough.
can you say "oliver north" ?
& no its not a strain but should be.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/


[video=youtube;WtwT492YDvg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtwT492YDvg[/video]
"something like a phenomenon , baby , telling your body to come along"

gudkarma said:

^ nope you'll get screwed.

rare is way hard to replace. those kind of beans you definitely pay extra for the hidin'.

me = i've never ever one time used stealth ship option. cheapest, slowest, lowest method.
why? cause you guys be ordering shwag. & the other option is low key & small.
fuck that. one shit tee-shirt is enough. & i needs my beans!

& see ....this is why they'll NEVER get me inter-continental.
UNITE seed freaks , trade with your good buddies inside your own country.

im familiar with some good people.
meet a bunch of DICKS too!

but im still grinding grinding in the grow game for pure l-o-v-E.

haters can pop fly & customs can steal your beans & F(ake) A(ss) G(rowers) can gank your cuts cause they came to RIU with nada , but i say nug pudding is proof.

i likes my seed , i likes my clones.

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Nice shades how much?? And where do you get em??

racerboy71 said:

that's what they would like you to believe, but i have problems believing that any u.s. government agency simply tosses good drugs into the garbage, or burns them, either way i think it's a bunch of bs..

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I don't have a problem believing it.

Supposedly, Federal law enforcement turns large quantities of drugs over to specialized subcontractors who destroy it. Customs supposedly destroys confiscated drugs themselves.

No, I'm not saying that every single gram of illegal drugs makes from police confiscation to an incinerator. Obviously, there is going to be some "leakage", but most of the stuff really isn't just dumped (back) into the street.

i've been all over this country and not a once have i ever been walking down the street and smelled pounds and pounds of coke and or weed being burnt at one time as in a mass burning of confiscated product.. i'm being a bit silly about this of course, but i find it hard to buy that they simply don't make a dime off of confiscated products..

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First of all, this isn't happening in random populated places, but in designated incineration facilities far from public view. So there would be no reason why anyone walking randomly down the street would be aware of it. The stuff is also probably incinerated at super-high temps with ordinary trash so it might not even have a particular drug-like smell.

On making money, to the contrary, confiscations are one of the biggest ways law enforcement makes money, because in most jurisdictions they're allowed to simply confiscate ANY cash or property they find associated with drug sales, even without further legal review.

Grow two plants in your basement? That's "manufacture" and for that in some places if cops catch you they can seize your entire (half million dollar) HOUSE, since its a "grow house". Found with 30 grams in your car? You're over the one ounce limit, therefore, by definition you're a dealer, and police can then legally seize (and use or sell) your car. Many police departments make huge parts of their budgets this way, and they view this as entrepeneurial activity, paying for conferences, toys (ie guns, cars, and other equipment), and other perks.

They don't need to actually get involved in messy illegal drug sales (though I'm sure there are plenty of crooked cops who do), when then can make plenty of money through legal open confiscation, which amounts to legalized theft.

the same i will never buy that the popo also burn all of the confiscated drugs that they get over the year.. no way in hell these people would throw away the massive amounts of money that could be made by selling these drugs back to the streets.. don't buy it for a red second..

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See above.

Again, I'm quite sure that quite a bit of illegal drugs do get diverted back to the street by crooked narcotics and other cops. But most of that is going to happen at a street level where there is effectively no oversight, rather than AFTER a large quantity is seized then entered into evidence. IE once the stuff is actually formally entered into evidence, there is a chain of custody and a pretty tight leash on the stuff. The seizing cops don't even have access to it anymore, and the ones running the evidence room are under scrutiny.

IE cop raids drug house and/or arrests perp for some other reason and finds a key of coke. "Somehow" that coke never makes it to the evidence room. Who is going to complain about it? Obviously not the cop, and even any other ones who know about it won't say jack, since cops always look out for one another. The perp isn't going to complain; he's more than happy NOT to catch a mandatory 5 year sentence for dealing/possession, and bluntly nobody is going to believe him anyway.

Jogro said:

Grow two plants in your basement? That's "manufacture" and for that in some places if cops catch you they can seize your entire (half million dollar) HOUSE, since its a "grow house". Found with 30 grams in your car? You're over the one ounce limit, therefore, by definition you're a dealer, and police can then legally seize (and use or sell) your car. Many police departments make huge parts of their budgets this way, and they view this as entrepeneurial activity, paying for conferences, toys (ie guns, cars, and other equipment), and other perks.

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Disgusting.