Seedlings In Bad Shape.

can anyone help please?? my seedling has just broken the soil and is bent over as if the seed is too heavy for it to lift,, it looks healthy and i dont want to intervene incase i stop the growth pleas help,, i have attached pictures , thanks ecktoplazm

Just wait. It will shed the seed. If you are really worried you can carefully remove it by hand or with tweezers but be careful.

I didnt use distilled water for the slurry test. Just tap water came out 7.3. But when I used the spring water at 6.0 it still came out 7.2.

Bough 2 1/2 lbs of garden sulfer recommended 1 tbls for my pots. Got a 4cuft bag of perlite to. Gonna start the transplants now.

Honestly i dont think you realise that garden sulphur will react bad with the lime in the soil that is already there. You are messing with things you know nothing about dude, sulphur and lime = BIG FAIL.

I thought about your problem, plants looked good and past the overwatering but then you watered and they drooped again, total lack of nute, i'm 100percent sure and why they drooped, my plant just drooped at the watering when it was underfed.

You pot heads have a way of over complicating things, sulphur carries a caution, DONT USE WITH SOILS THAT CONTAIN LIME!

I'm sorry to be so LOUD but i strongly feel that you are causing more problems here than you are solving. Beansly chiming in with somthing about salt build up and everyone worrying about pH!

Transplanting with sulphur and Foxfarms is not advised by any foxfarm growers that i know.

I problem solve and i see we have not found any problems apart from overwatering and i believe lack of ferts after solving the overwatering.

This has been a tough thread but i feel it is about to get tougher, i really do try and hear what the plant is trying to tell me. As always it is up to and down to the grower but please remember what i have said if any future problems appear and when repeating these steps next grow. Peace

Well I havnt added sulfer. The lady at the hydro store told me sulfur with counteract lime and lime will counteract sulfer. Apparently this is bull? So I transplanted into a 30% mix of perlite and ocean forest. I'm not understanding why I would want to add more nutes when there is already slight burn on some of them? I thought that would mean dont use nutes cause there is to much. I will if you say I should but im really nervous about it. Next water will be a nute water then.



New growth coming in is twisty and weird leading me to believe the high ph is not a misread ph diagnoses.

I'm not finding any articles on sulfur being bad to use with lime. Infact there is something called "Lime-Sulfur" that many people use. The bag of sulfur doesnt say not to apply where lime is present.

Dont add nutes to the transplant, i was talking about the last watering you did when the plants were looking good then you watered and they drooped, i do reckon that some nutes would have prevented this, plants cannot live on water and you added barely any nutes and lots of water for most of the grow, this makes sense dude, had this been a healthy plant i would be at between 600 and 800 ppm ferts doing like a fert, fert water or similar, mine seem to like fert, fert, fert water.

Now you are in the new soil as soon as the roots spread they will feed and then you should see the plant pick up, i wouldnt feed the new soil, it probably has enough, expect it to take a week or so to show improvement.

You see why i wanted to sort the problem before transplant, now in the new soil most of the roots are still in nute deficient soil until they spread, feed now and you might burn the plants.

Just to say that there must be loads of different types of burns a plant shows, plants can burn from too much or too little nutes, overwatering and pH, in fact can some one please point out somthing that dosent make a plant burn or go crispy over time?

Like i said sulphut will not work in soils with lime, it is for unlimed soils and soils that dont sit on limestone beds outdoors. I grow outdoors, sulphur is more for out doors and not recomended for indoors.

Without a doubt underfed in those pots, look at them roots, they well eaten all the soil nutes, transplant, water and wait it out for roots to take on new soil nutes. Youd be taking a chance adding nutes to the new soil, easy to burn now. And for the record that aint burn, that is the bottom leaves dying. I feel like we are getting to the bottom of the mystery. Peace

okie dokie will return sulfur then. maybe the burn is from something else then? its only on a couple tips and hasnt gone further than when it showed up. Good thing I didnt add sulfur then. I did lightly break up the root ball ever so slightly till it was nice and loose and then holding it up slightly I added soil around,under,and on top of the roots. SO they should start feeding off new soil almost immediatly. Rootball was moist and new soil was moist so I didnt water. I'll probobly water tomarrow or wed. Should be dry by then.

new pots have LOTS OF HOLES, from the bottom to the sides 1-2 inches up. Prolly 20-30 pencil size holes each pot. I think this will be way better then the slits in the old pots.

Ok should stabalise the plant in a short time, look for the plant to grow good, strong faster new growth, remember your still in the same soil just its got more nutes, plant gets better then i am sure it needed nutes on the last watering. This is gona learn us both some experience. Just let them grow now and in the mean time ask some foxfarm growers about the crazy pH and what they do, i bet they dont bother and just grow on. Peace

True enough the more I read the more i'm finding OF should lower over some time, and many people grow straight through with it never checking ph anymore, just ph water and nute water. We will see! I wont do anything to the soil and if all this was really about being underfed, then i'm gonna kick myself in the ass.

Get ready to kick, you can kick me too but i see no other way to problem solve, got to rule out things and go with the facts, yer you could have added sulphur, maybe you should off but i seen a lot of foxfarm ocean forest growers not doing this in the same soil, generally indoor potting soils are all slightly acidic. Let her grow, if she looks good in a week or so then defo the fert issue.

BTW please be very vigilant that overwatering dont come back, saying that dont underwater them!Lol! Peace

Yeah im ready to! I'm hopeing this extra perlite will help with the watering thing. I swear that soil just holds the hell out of moisture! I really was watering them less then my outside plants! Maybe it was just the drain hole issue (i hope) cause the bottom of the pot (where all the roots are hangin out) was the wettest of all the soil. Just wasnt drying. I have a feeling it was the holes and the lack thereof perlite. Again we will see but I will def TRY SO HARD not to over or underwater.

I really hope everything is that simple! THANKS SO MUCH!

Some might place stones in the bottom of the pot to aid extra airflow and drainage, cultivate the top layer to help moisture escape after every watering, ill leave my link for cultivating and if like me you have a high amount of peat in the soil then yes this stuff holds onto water like drought is a coming!lol! I too added perlite but was too generous, i have to water every 3 days and is a big hassle, getting the mix a bit better now and more like 4/5 days inbetween watering, most seem to go for this. As always you got to do it wrong a few times to get it right.

I do think perlite lowers the fert level in soil since it dillutes the soil down being that perlite is neutral and holds no ferts. I find the more perlite the earlier and more ferts i need to feed over time. Just a consideration, check the link on cultivating, can help a lot -

https://www.rollitup.org/newbie-central/435184-cultivating-soil-newbies-101-a.html

What a neat little thing. I'll have to try that. I dont mind watering every 3-4 days, gives me a chance to take some time and look at them anyways. I like to talk to them and breath on them.+ rep

People say you dont have to cultivate using perlite but it will still help if pots take too long to dry. Peace

UPDATE: (kick) They are all doing better to say the least. Still some droopy leaves but it seems all the new/newer growth is standing up now. Only droopy leaves seem to be the lower ones that were effected by the lack of nutes! Only time will tell but I seem to think that this was all a stupid problem. I gave them each a splash of 1/4 str nute water today only on top of the old soil. Hopefully some of the effected leaves will come back to life. Pics coming next.

Here we go. Compare from yesterday and youll see the diff in sag. The claw is loosening up aswell I noticed.

The yellow leaves are clearly nitrogen deficient I dont know how I missed it.

There might of been other problems but im still with the overwatering and underfeeding, this transplant shows that well now growth is better. Shame you cant repeat this whole stage again now to get better plants. Looking good dude, i feel happier when my plants are happier. Peace

Yer nice idea with the 1/4 strength nutes on the old soil, hold back now and confirm wether what you have done is right or wrong, let them grow. Well done.