skunkushybrid
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......yawn..........
Anyone got a fly-swatter?
Anyone got a fly-swatter?
Seed Predisposition
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kindprincess
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i think plants do communicate with each other. and i think this is why my two plants per pot (i use a 3g for this project, and roots begin to battle for dominance almost immediately) works out the way it does. and i've heard this with many other plants as well 
i might get a chance to play with this one in a few months, do 50 or so pairs, just to see what happens
hope you had a good one skunky
i might get a chance to play with this one in a few months, do 50 or so pairs, just to see what happens
hope you had a good one skunky
nongreenthumb
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Thats pretty offensive talk, there was serious discussion going on here.
Personal attacks are not tolerated.
skunkushybrid
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i think plants do communicate with each other. and i think this is why my two plants per pot (i use a 3g for this project, and roots begin to battle for dominance almost immediately) works out the way it does. and i've heard this with many other plants as well
i might get a chance to play with this one in a few months, do 50 or so pairs, just to see what happens
hope you had a good one skunky
Yes, i had a very good one and am suffering the hangover/comedown today. i just couldn't bear to go through it yesterday, so I did the day on coke. Right now the only thing keeping me alive is a plentiful supply of weed, honey oil and coffee.
Ah, i misunderstood your last post. i didn't realise they were both in the same pot. Maybe the roots can recognise each other and it is only when they run out of room that they strangle the life out of each other. The battle for dominance sounds very interesting, in fact I've witnessed it for myself, where one plant was suffocated at the mid-flower point. Stopped growing completely about a week before, maybe 2... and just browned off and died. the plant next to it had taken it's root space. these were all clones too. Maybe it is a case of the female being more deadlier than the male.
Which root system have you observed as being the most dominant?
kindprincess
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i can't really say; i've always separated the males after they show. i started doing this when an old og'er told me about it. i had two plants of an extinct strain i wanted to preserve, and i was told this is how to ensure a male and female.
it worked
but, after pulling the male out and transplanting him to his own container, he reversed. and i mean full reversal, no more balls. all new growth was female.
this is what got me started thinking of conditional sex. i've since done this over half a dozen times, with the exact same results. everytime i yank the male, he reverts to female.....
i'll do some thinking as to how i can do a case study on this. i'm going to be pressed for room, so we'll just have to see..
take care of that hangover!
kp
Lamafia ck
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most of what i grow is schwag.
damn theres alot of transportation and packaging to your budd then cause damn to turn does nice plants to swag is almost impossible lol j/k
the cause of swag is all the trans. and heat that kills most of thc
stressing the plant wen is a seedling can cause to turn a hermie but idk about female to male
i believe each seeds turns male or female on germination process and female seeds are just a high % female chance but it can also turn to be a male THATS WAT I THINK
skunkushybrid
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Thanks KP, I hope you had a great new year too. Your post is very interesting and it prompted me to do a search on root communication. Here's something a little off, but mostly on subject:
[SIZE=+1]Plants Can Recognize and Prefer Their Kin [/SIZE]
HAMILTON, Ontario, Canada, June 13, 2007 (ENS) The apparently passive garden plant is not as easy-going as people assume, at least not with strangers. Researchers at McMaster University have found that plants become competitive when forced to share a pot with strangers of the same species, but they are more friendly when potted with their siblings.
"The ability to recognize and favor kin is common in animals, but this is the first time it has been shown in plants," said Dr. Susan Dudley, associate professor of biology at McMaster University in Hamilton.
"When plants share their pots, they get competitive and start growing more roots, which allows them to grab water and mineral nutrients before their neighbors get them," Dudley explains.
Biologist Susan Dudley is the first to discover that plants recognize their kin. (Photo courtesy McMaster University)
"It appears, though, that they only do this when sharing a pot with unrelated plants; when they share a pot with family they dont increase their root growth," the biologist says.
Because differences between groups of strangers and groups of siblings only occurred when they shared a pot, the root interactions may provide a cue for kin recognition.
Though they lack cognition and memory, Dudley says the study shows plants are capable of complex social behaviors such as altruism towards relatives.
Like humans, says Dudley, the most interesting plant behaviors occur beneath the surface.
Dudley and her student, Amanda File, observed the behavior in sea rocket, Cakile edentula, a member of the mustard family native to beaches throughout North America, including the Great Lakes, where McMaster is located near Lake Ontario.
The American sea rocket grows on sandy beaches above the high tide line. (Photo by Virginia Kline courtesy U. Wisconsin-Madison)
The two biologists grew batches of sea rocket in pots of four, either with specimens from the same maternal family or from several different families.
Those growing with strangers had a greater mass of roots after two months of growing than those sharing pots with siblings.
Gardeners might want to use this discovery to change their plant arrangements, placing siblings close to one another.
"Gardeners have known for a long time that some pairs of species get along better than others, and scientists are starting to catch up with why that happens," says Dudley. "What Ive found is that plants from the same mother may be more compatible with each other than with plants of the same species that had different mothers.
"The more we know about plants, the more complex their interactions seem to be, so it may be as hard to predict the outcome as when you mix different people at a party," she joked.
How the plants learn which neighbor is a relative is still a mystery. Dudley speculates that a protein or chemical signal specific to each plant's family might be secreted and detected by other roots nearby.
The study was supported by a grant from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada. It appeared Tuesday in the Royal Society journal "Biology Letters."
[SIZE=+1]Plants Can Recognize and Prefer Their Kin [/SIZE]
HAMILTON, Ontario, Canada, June 13, 2007 (ENS) The apparently passive garden plant is not as easy-going as people assume, at least not with strangers. Researchers at McMaster University have found that plants become competitive when forced to share a pot with strangers of the same species, but they are more friendly when potted with their siblings.
"The ability to recognize and favor kin is common in animals, but this is the first time it has been shown in plants," said Dr. Susan Dudley, associate professor of biology at McMaster University in Hamilton.
"When plants share their pots, they get competitive and start growing more roots, which allows them to grab water and mineral nutrients before their neighbors get them," Dudley explains.
Biologist Susan Dudley is the first to discover that plants recognize their kin. (Photo courtesy McMaster University)
"It appears, though, that they only do this when sharing a pot with unrelated plants; when they share a pot with family they dont increase their root growth," the biologist says.
Because differences between groups of strangers and groups of siblings only occurred when they shared a pot, the root interactions may provide a cue for kin recognition.
Though they lack cognition and memory, Dudley says the study shows plants are capable of complex social behaviors such as altruism towards relatives.
Like humans, says Dudley, the most interesting plant behaviors occur beneath the surface.
Dudley and her student, Amanda File, observed the behavior in sea rocket, Cakile edentula, a member of the mustard family native to beaches throughout North America, including the Great Lakes, where McMaster is located near Lake Ontario.
The American sea rocket grows on sandy beaches above the high tide line. (Photo by Virginia Kline courtesy U. Wisconsin-Madison)
The two biologists grew batches of sea rocket in pots of four, either with specimens from the same maternal family or from several different families.
Those growing with strangers had a greater mass of roots after two months of growing than those sharing pots with siblings.
Gardeners might want to use this discovery to change their plant arrangements, placing siblings close to one another.
"Gardeners have known for a long time that some pairs of species get along better than others, and scientists are starting to catch up with why that happens," says Dudley. "What Ive found is that plants from the same mother may be more compatible with each other than with plants of the same species that had different mothers.
"The more we know about plants, the more complex their interactions seem to be, so it may be as hard to predict the outcome as when you mix different people at a party," she joked.
How the plants learn which neighbor is a relative is still a mystery. Dudley speculates that a protein or chemical signal specific to each plant's family might be secreted and detected by other roots nearby.
The study was supported by a grant from the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada. It appeared Tuesday in the Royal Society journal "Biology Letters."
skunkushybrid
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I see no reason that if plants can recognise siblings then they could also recognise male and female plants.
skunkushybrid
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here's another good read...
Root Exudation and Rhizosphere Biology -- Walker et al. 132 (1): 44 -- PLANT PHYSIOLOGY
Root Exudation and Rhizosphere Biology -- Walker et al. 132 (1): 44 -- PLANT PHYSIOLOGY
Lamafia ck
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shes on that killa kush auhuhauhahua
i got WW and hash berry on the same bubbler system they r growing fineee they r are all buddies lol
i got WW and hash berry on the same bubbler system they r growing fineee they r are all buddies lol
kochab
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most of what i grow is schwag.
the mexicans you get weed from must have better genetics than around here. lol
schwag in cali is a LOT different than here in the south myu friend. most people around here in north carolina unless they know a grower can only find schwag from mexico that has been bricked up for 2 years or more with like 80 seeds per ounce. got my drift. unless someone here knowing a grower regularly buys nugget then folks dont wanna pay more than $30 a quarter ounce.
im from atlanta before moving here so, im used do a decent selection if the kine floatin around.
i decided to start growing when i moved here. lol
nowstopwhining
Too many brownies
thats pretty funny seeing as I was attacked multiple times by skunk without anyone stopping it.
Garden Knowm
The Love Doctor
princess..
there is this book..
"the secret life of plants"
it is amazing... this guy is doing experiments with semen hookd up to a POLYGRAPH machine...
When the seemen is hooked up to the machine and the owner of the seemen enters the room.. th polygraph would register..
So this guy hooks the polygraph machine up to plants... and the experiments start to show some amazing shit..
One experiment he does..
he has a guy go into a room with three plants.... and kill one of the plants... the polygraph machine on al the plants goes crazy
Then the guy leaves the room...
People start coming back into the room and the plants are fine.. and the machine is calm... then when the man who killed the plants enters the room.. the polygraph machines starts to act up..
there are many cool experiments in that book
iloveyou
kindprincess
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that's fooking awesome babe! do you have a link or title?
and stop messing with everyone's wife and mother; i don't like cheaters o.0
skunkushybrid
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holy crap... that sounds like a very good read. I'm going to google some of that info' right now.
skunkushybrid
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Wow, this goes back to 1973... you sure people were compos mentis back then? Here's a link tyo the Wiki version...
The Secret Life of Plants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and the movie on google: The Secret Life of Plants
Hey in the movie you get music from Stevie wonder. Made in 1979.
The Secret Life of Plants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
and the movie on google: The Secret Life of Plants
Hey in the movie you get music from Stevie wonder. Made in 1979.
skunkushybrid
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Damn its on for an hour and a half. I'm going to have to wait till I can watch this. The first 5 minutes drags on a little with stevie's intro... i hope it settles down soon...
Just turn the volume down till someone starts talking.
Just turn the volume down till someone starts talking.
skunkushybrid
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wow, bose sounds like my kind of guy.
Thanks for the reference GK!
Thanks for the reference GK!
closet.cult
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Originally Posted by thcisme
From literature it appears that the growth of a male or female plant from seed, except for the predisposition in the gender chromosomes, also depends on various environmental factors. For growers who are well experienced, percentage of female plants is 60% - 90% female, but less experienced growers can end up with 100% male plants. The environmental factors that, according to literature, influence gender are:
- a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher potassium concentration will give more males (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a higher humidity will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- a lower temperature will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- more blue light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- Fewer hours of light will give more females (at the three-pairs-of-leaves stage and continue for two or three weeks).
- In later stage, as you increase the light, the plants grow faster and show more females/less males. Sixteen hours of light per day seems to be the best combination, beyond this makes little or no appreciable difference in the plant quality.
- Another idea is to interrupt the night cycle with about one hour of light. This gives you more females.
- Spray dilute Fish Emulsion ( 1 tablespoon per gallon ). When the plants have three sets of true leaves, plus the top sprout, give them a wetting spray of Fish Emulsion. Do it once a day for three of four days. Top and bottom of the leaves.
- To achieve 100% female plants is to expose young seedlings for several hours to an atmosphere of Carbon Monoxide. It doesn't hurt the plants, but it could kill you.
- Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%. Ethylene is produced by certain plants (i.e., bananas, cucumbers and melons), and these can be used to treat hempseed in a simple manner. About two weeks before you plan to sprout the seeds, place them in a paper bag or envelope and put that in a plastic bag with the peels of a ripening banana or cucumber. Replace the peels after a couple of days, and change the bags to prevent mold.
- When hempseed is treated with the female hormone estrogen, percentage of females that are produced will increase by about 10%. Dissolve a birth control pill in water and soak the seeds overnight in the solution. After the initial soaking, continue to treat the seeds by sprouting them on a paper towel soaked in the solution.[/quote]
I appreciate this being posted. It presents a clear and testable hypothesis. And I intend on testing these factors with the dozens of seeds I got from my last grow. But the problem is it is still VERY inconclusive. Why? Let me quote:
-For growers who are well experienced, percentage of female plants is 60% - 90% female, but less experienced growers can end up with 100% male plants.
100% male rarely occure. I recall only two RIU member ever mentioning that. Plus, 60%-90% means an experience grower gets 6 to 9 seeds out of 10 to be female. I got that ratio from the very first time I ever grew, without any special treatment.
- When hempseed is treated with the female hormone estrogen, percentage of females that are produced will increase by about 10%.
- Treatment of hempseed with ethylene gas will increase the resulting number of female plants by about 50%.
So, I assume we're still talking about tricks that the experienced grower uses here. A 50% increase from the ethylene gas (which, if 10 natural seeds started with 5 females adds only 2 to 3 more) PLUS a 10% estrogen treatment (which if you now have 8 females should add 1 more) takes us to an experienced growers MAXIMUM of 90% female ratio. BUT, he may still only end up with 6 females out of 10, after all the treatments. That's not much better then what the law of averages tells us should be the normal, untreated rate of 50%. AND WE STARTED THIS EQUATION WITH 5 FEMALES (50%) THAT ANY GROWER WOULD HAVE ACHIEVED, IN THE FIRST PLACE.
(The one variable not mentioned is if there are naturally more of one sex represented then the other in cannabis seeds. If that question could possibly be answered, we'd save alot of trouble)
I'm am NOT arguing that environment does not play a role, for sure. I havn't read any real research in those studies, yet. I am arguing that there is nothing in this artical to suggest that these methods offered really will work. 60% female rate is hardly conclusive. There is no reason to suspect that even a 90% female rate couldn't be just the luck of the draw on your seeds. (Of course, a consistant 90% female rate would be strong evidence. But the artical clearly says 60-90% female rate, using the experienced growers tricks.)
- To achieve 100% female plants is to expose young seedlings for several hours to an atmosphere of Carbon Monoxide.
Finally, a testable statement toward a conclusive diagnosis of environment and sex relationship. Of course, it is reasonable to conclude that if environment can bring about a hermaphrodite, then it is at least possible to induce a full sex change.
Carbon monoxide is a poison. If this is true, the plant is obviously responding to the poisoning.
But the other previous examples, it appears to me, are only minor 'possible' triggers. It depend on the genetic make-up of each particular seed. Just as some humans may have the genetic predisposition to aquire cancer or seasonal allergies, they may never experience those ailments if they are not exposed to the specific triggers for their genetic makeup.
but what do they know? seriously.
