Second Grow 150w HPS
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kriznarf
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Just think, you could have been one of those truly unlucky bastards who doesn't even get one female in a batch that size. I've heard of it happening before. Good luck with the clones!
KawiZZR
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Yeah, it could've been worse. If I'd gotten all males I'd be pissed, that'd be so frustrating. At least this will force me to get better at cloning. I tried it before but wasn't patient enough and when I didn't see roots after a week I tossed them. This time I'm gonna wait it out till they're ready. I'm optimistic though as I had to get rid of one of my older ones this morning since it was showing a bit of mold so I pulled it out and it had little roots starting.
Guess I should go ahead and set up a veg side in a couple days. Once they show a good amount of roots I'll move them into 6" pots and veg for a couple weeks before taking new clones off them and putting them into flower. I figure this way I'll have a semi perpetual thing going if I can manage to stagger them. I already have the cfls for a veg cab but I've been lazy since I wanted to do everything with the hps the whole way through. I decided to toss in two 6500k 27w cfls to try and help with the adjustment back to veg and to help the clones root. After I set up the cfls they will all be separate from the hps.
Guess I should go ahead and set up a veg side in a couple days. Once they show a good amount of roots I'll move them into 6" pots and veg for a couple weeks before taking new clones off them and putting them into flower. I figure this way I'll have a semi perpetual thing going if I can manage to stagger them. I already have the cfls for a veg cab but I've been lazy since I wanted to do everything with the hps the whole way through. I decided to toss in two 6500k 27w cfls to try and help with the adjustment back to veg and to help the clones root. After I set up the cfls they will all be separate from the hps.
KawiZZR
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New pics:
All the males, too bad they weren't females instead. That would've been really nice. Now they reside in the trash can cut up into tiny pieces.
The lone female with the three older clones.
Took eight new clones today, hopefully most of them make it.
Did another round of lst to the female after cutting clones. I'm very happy with her structure, so the clones should turn out well long as I don't kill them somehow.
After adding the two cfls.
All the males, too bad they weren't females instead. That would've been really nice. Now they reside in the trash can cut up into tiny pieces.
The lone female with the three older clones.
Took eight new clones today, hopefully most of them make it.
Did another round of lst to the female after cutting clones. I'm very happy with her structure, so the clones should turn out well long as I don't kill them somehow.
After adding the two cfls.
KawiZZR
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Decided to get some things done far as cleaning up the inside of the cab a bit today. Added a hole in the rear for the power cord to run through. Used an insulation strip around it to keep things a bit more light sealed. Mounted the power strip to the wall and put the clone cups all in a propagation tray since I'm somewhat messy when it comes to watering. Repotted the mother in an 8" pot from her previous 6" one.
Things I still have to get around to doing are set up the veg area, paint the back wall white, finish up light proofing the cab, and decide whether to add passive or active intakes.
After the clones show roots through the cups I'm going to flower the mother. That probably won't be for another two weeks, so I'm thinking that I might try a scrog with her. My concern is that I'm not sure how big she'll be by the time I start flowering her and I'd rather not screw up big time by trying to do something new. Any thoughts or suggestions as to how I should proceed?
Things I still have to get around to doing are set up the veg area, paint the back wall white, finish up light proofing the cab, and decide whether to add passive or active intakes.
After the clones show roots through the cups I'm going to flower the mother. That probably won't be for another two weeks, so I'm thinking that I might try a scrog with her. My concern is that I'm not sure how big she'll be by the time I start flowering her and I'd rather not screw up big time by trying to do something new. Any thoughts or suggestions as to how I should proceed?
KawiZZR
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So one of the clones from the first plant I culled (the one in poor health that was unsexed) has begun to show roots around the cup. I'm guessing the other two should also show roots this week. If so that'd put rooting time at around 2 1/2 weeks, not too bad without any rooting hormone/gel/nutes. That should mean the others will be rooted around the end of next week. If this works out I should have the mother back in flowering by the end of the month and the clones all in veg for a bit. If I end up needing to veg them for too long I already have someone lined up to take a few for me.
I've been all over the place recently with looking at lighting. I really want to get something to cut down on temps as it's currently running around 86-88F during lights on and that's just too high for my comfort. The options I see are either led or switching out the magnetic ballast for a digital one. The digital ballast only costs around $60 and should be enough to lower temps without removing it from the cab, but it still gives that option. Led I have no idea how much my temps would change, but I know they don't throw heat the same way hps do so it wouldn't be as much of a concern anyway.
For led I'm actually looking at two options. One would be a 180w spectra from growledhydro. There are a good number of grows on other sites using these lights and they really produce big buds in a small area. The other light I'm looking at is the haight solid state ppf400. This light doesn't offer the penetration of most since it uses 140 degree lenses, but I saw a journal where the grower was consistently pulling 1 gpw in a footprint similar to mine using 4 plants at a time. If I get the hss light I'd probably use it for veg and flower during the warmer months, then put the hps back in to flower in the winter and move the hss over just for clone and veg. Have you guys sees anything about either of these lights either positive or negative?
I've been all over the place recently with looking at lighting. I really want to get something to cut down on temps as it's currently running around 86-88F during lights on and that's just too high for my comfort. The options I see are either led or switching out the magnetic ballast for a digital one. The digital ballast only costs around $60 and should be enough to lower temps without removing it from the cab, but it still gives that option. Led I have no idea how much my temps would change, but I know they don't throw heat the same way hps do so it wouldn't be as much of a concern anyway.
For led I'm actually looking at two options. One would be a 180w spectra from growledhydro. There are a good number of grows on other sites using these lights and they really produce big buds in a small area. The other light I'm looking at is the haight solid state ppf400. This light doesn't offer the penetration of most since it uses 140 degree lenses, but I saw a journal where the grower was consistently pulling 1 gpw in a footprint similar to mine using 4 plants at a time. If I get the hss light I'd probably use it for veg and flower during the warmer months, then put the hps back in to flower in the winter and move the hss over just for clone and veg. Have you guys sees anything about either of these lights either positive or negative?
stoneyluv
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your girl looks good man!!! I feel your pain on the males... years ago I bought 10 reg seeds while visiting in Amsterdam, the first nine were males!!! the last one was a female!!! I still have the strain alive today!!
I gotta say, I don't think your temps are terrible, an LED would totally change that. My GLH-180 only raised my small area about 3-4 degrees. I can tell you from my own experiences that i will always grow with LED in some form. I have only seen one grow using the Haight. It was a good grow, but I have no personal experience with it. but honestly the only three LED panels I see over and over with great results are GLH, Blackstar, and ISIS. any one of these three would work great in your space. the GLH would provide you with the most penetration out of the three due to the 90 degree angle diodes. the blackstar and isis can cover a bigger foot print of core saturation. in your situation, you don't require a large footprint.
I gotta say though, if the ONLY reason you are thinking LED is, heat reasons.... then I would suggest you getting a CMH bulb with a remote ballast. then there would also be room for expansion without buying a second panel.
but if you are steering toward LED because of heat, resin production, density, longevity... then yes, I would suggest an LED panel. but the CMH option would be much cheaper to start out. sorry if i confused you or made your decision even more difficult.
hit me up for any questions or concerns you may have.... and you are more than welcome to swing by my thread anytime to check out my GLH flowering.... two 180's in a 4x4.
I gotta say, I don't think your temps are terrible, an LED would totally change that. My GLH-180 only raised my small area about 3-4 degrees. I can tell you from my own experiences that i will always grow with LED in some form. I have only seen one grow using the Haight. It was a good grow, but I have no personal experience with it. but honestly the only three LED panels I see over and over with great results are GLH, Blackstar, and ISIS. any one of these three would work great in your space. the GLH would provide you with the most penetration out of the three due to the 90 degree angle diodes. the blackstar and isis can cover a bigger foot print of core saturation. in your situation, you don't require a large footprint.
I gotta say though, if the ONLY reason you are thinking LED is, heat reasons.... then I would suggest you getting a CMH bulb with a remote ballast. then there would also be room for expansion without buying a second panel.
but if you are steering toward LED because of heat, resin production, density, longevity... then yes, I would suggest an LED panel. but the CMH option would be much cheaper to start out. sorry if i confused you or made your decision even more difficult.
hit me up for any questions or concerns you may have.... and you are more than welcome to swing by my thread anytime to check out my GLH flowering.... two 180's in a 4x4.
steeZz
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I would literally cry.
KawiZZR
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Damn, that sucks a lot worse, at least I have extra seeds in case I needed them. How much do you think my temps would change from switching to LED? I really want to get one of the GLH panels, but that's a big initial investment for me. I looked into a CMH before to replace my HPS, but I'd much rather purchase a single light and it last me for a while. I don't see myself needing to expand any time soon, I only need to produce enough for myself and the occasional close friend if they smoke w/ me. I've been thinking about how I can best use my cabinet area, and I think I've got enough area for a small clone/veg area and a flower section.
The cabinet I have is this: http://www.homedepot.com/ClosetMaid/h_d1/N-5yc1vZd4/R-100580672/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
I'm currently using the left half of it for flower, and would keep that the same since I already installed the fan/filter on that side. Putting a shelf on the right side to divide it into an upper and lower section, giving me a small clone area up top where I could just use a couple CFLs and put in a PC fan to keep that cool. On the bottom half there's enough space to veg in, and maybe to flower small plants. This leaves the entire top area of the cabinet for nutes, pH stuff, extra pots, spare bulbs, etc.
The journal using the hss lights I was talking about is here, post #174:
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/completed-journals/97919-haight-solid-state-led-grow-journal-12.html
Do you think If I vegged clones under it for a week or two then flowered and lollipopped them in 6" pots I'd get a reasonable yield and be able to keep them to under 2' tall? I can fit up to 10 pots that size but would probably try it with 6 first and move to 8 if that works well. If I can work the hss in there, then I'd be able to run that year round and put in either a GLH or CMH later, continuing to use the HPS for now.
KawiZZR
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Updates since last week:
-mostly finished with area for the clones for now, got the cfls in and a couple computer fans to keep temps down
-up-potted the mother again, she's in a 10" pot now
-starting the mother on 12/12 tomorrow, if the clones end up not working out for me I'll just start new seeds
-sexed the old group of clones, they were males so tossed them
clone area
space below clones unused currently
flowering/left side
entire cab, top section also unused currently
-mostly finished with area for the clones for now, got the cfls in and a couple computer fans to keep temps down
-up-potted the mother again, she's in a 10" pot now
-starting the mother on 12/12 tomorrow, if the clones end up not working out for me I'll just start new seeds
-sexed the old group of clones, they were males so tossed them
clone area
space below clones unused currently
flowering/left side
entire cab, top section also unused currently
KawiZZR
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Thanks, I hope so! The area I was wondering if I could effectively use the ufos in is the top section with all the boxes and crap in it. The pot up there is a 10" and I veg in 6" then 8" ones so I think there might be enough space for it, just not sure how much it'd cover at that height. If two could completely cover that area I could see this being a long process of slowly adding new lights until I have all LEDs everywhere in there haha.
KawiZZR
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Okay so I'm going to be posting updates mostly of the mother plant going through flowering, with occasional updates for the clones as things change with them. Here's pics from today, calling this day one of flowering since she's already mature and showing preflowers. Hoping to be able to keep flowering down to 8 weeks this time, last time was about 10 weeks but I think. This time I actually have flowering nutes though so it should be a bit faster than just using veg ones the whole time through. This should also help with improving yield. Pics below, one from a bit above, then two at the level of the plant from opposite sides of the pot.
Edit: Noticed it showed up in the last pic, there is yellowing to some of the big fan leaves, I get this every time I transplant for about a week. Think it may be due to the pH of the peat moss at first, as I don't change my water pH to account for it. It goes away after a couple waterings though so not too much of an issue.
Edit: Noticed it showed up in the last pic, there is yellowing to some of the big fan leaves, I get this every time I transplant for about a week. Think it may be due to the pH of the peat moss at first, as I don't change my water pH to account for it. It goes away after a couple waterings though so not too much of an issue.
KawiZZR
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Update: Day 7 Flower
Stupid plant doesn't wanna stretch at all! I'm really hoping she's just getting a slow start and will begin stretching a bit higher this week. I've got about another foot and a half of space she can stretch into. If she won't get any taller that's gonna mean longer veg times from now on to fill out the space a bit more. Need to decide on and buy a veg light in the next week or two, more of the clones are showing roots now and by next weekend they'll probably need to be repotted. Pics of the female in flower below.
Stupid plant doesn't wanna stretch at all! I'm really hoping she's just getting a slow start and will begin stretching a bit higher this week. I've got about another foot and a half of space she can stretch into. If she won't get any taller that's gonna mean longer veg times from now on to fill out the space a bit more. Need to decide on and buy a veg light in the next week or two, more of the clones are showing roots now and by next weekend they'll probably need to be repotted. Pics of the female in flower below.
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KawiZZR
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Yeah I'm really glad they took root, got a couple other strains I wanna start this winter and get a few clones of each going. Thanks, I kinda burned her a bit w/ too much nutes but taking it well. And yup, that's her. She's the better of the two phenos I've seen from the seeds IMHO.
KawiZZR
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Update: Day 12 flower
She's still very slow to stretch, but I can tell that she definitely is starting to now. A good number of branches are starting to poke up through the canopy. She's bushy enough that she may fill the area fully by the time she's done. Gave first dose of flower nutes mixed half and half with veg nutes today.
Finally got the white balance to work with the hps on.
Close-up of top of main stem.
Clones will be moved to 6" pots tomorrow.
She's still very slow to stretch, but I can tell that she definitely is starting to now. A good number of branches are starting to poke up through the canopy. She's bushy enough that she may fill the area fully by the time she's done. Gave first dose of flower nutes mixed half and half with veg nutes today.
Finally got the white balance to work with the hps on.
Close-up of top of main stem.
Clones will be moved to 6" pots tomorrow.
Toolage 87
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Looking very good man. What's the wattage of those CFLs that you are using? If you can I would recommend buying a 35w to 50w MH light and ballasts and cooltube them. I can't wait to see what she looks like down the road.
KawiZZR
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Thanks, they're 27w each, enough for clones but not enough to veg for long. I considered using low wattage MH before, but a cooltube can block 10% of the light and that'd concern me with bulbs that size. My next purchase is gonna be an LED to get me through veg and to start a second flowering area with. After that I may opt for additional LEDs or could get a CMH to replace my HPS.