Scientists Unveil Missing Link In Evolution

slipperyP

slipperyP

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olosto said:
SlipperyP, you left out the fact that according to the bible, there should be no fossil record. In fact by the bibles statements the world is only like 6,000 years old..
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Fossils don't take millions of years to form...just the right conditions. I am not saying the bible is gosepel...it definatly talks of a time past...and all in all...there is a ton of science contained in the texts...I don't quote the bible but some of the things you can find....Springs in the deep, circuits of the wind and sea. The oldest trees are only thousands of years old not millions...trees must be new?

The trees from mount st helens are fossilized because of the conditions of flooding and being stuck in the bottom of spirt lake. That erruption took place in 1981 or so.
 
medicineman

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Here is the word from Genisis. Maybe the timeline is is millions of years, who knows Gods time?

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
 
slipperyP

slipperyP

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I believe there is evidence to prove instant creation (polonium halo's) These can be disputed. I don't believe it took millions of years those are actual days...genisis about 5 or 6
 
themistocles

themistocles

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While finding a new species is fascinating and the fact that it so closely resembles two different species is interesting it really does not prove much. But just because one part of a theory is wring does not mean bash the whole idea.
The fact that animals (including humans) evolve has been proven. If you think humans were unable to evolve are species would have died out years ago. We as humans evolve everyday, our anti-bodies adapt to battle foreign substances all the time, that is why we get the flu shot.
Second as far as dating fossils, rocks, trees, dead animals, or whatever scientists don't just say it a billion years old because they found it in the billion year rock layer. Science has proven, that every element brakes down over time, some take a really long time; like carbon, and through a formula you can use the half life of carbon to exactly measure "when" the carbon was from.
Now, that is not to say that dating a finding by it surroundings is wrong, it is usually pretty accurate. With the known date of a couple global events such as asteroids or floods, and the effects that these events have on rock layers, you can then compare the event dates to where in the rock layer the "fossil" was found.
You are correct in that dinosaur's were big, and so were a lot of plants, but one does not cause the other. There were also many small "dinosaurs" and they like any animal evolved over time to be taller, wider, ect. Also remember dino's were around for a long time, longer than humans have been around, they survived many huge global events.
 
TheBrutalTruth

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medicineman said:
Here is the word from Genisis. Maybe the timeline is is millions of years, who knows Gods time?

20: And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21: And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23: And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24: And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25: And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28: And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30: And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
31: And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
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Relativistic Dilation.

God is an entity that moves at the Speed of Light, thus while it was only 7 days for him, it was in all actuality billions of years for the universe.
 
slipperyP

slipperyP

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themistocles said:
While finding a new species is fascinating and the fact that it so closely resembles two different species is interesting it really does not prove much. But just because one part of a theory is wring does not mean bash the whole idea.
The fact that animals (including humans) evolve has been proven. If you think humans were unable to evolve are species would have died out years ago. We as humans evolve everyday, our anti-bodies adapt to battle foreign substances all the time, that is why we get the flu shot.
Second as far as dating fossils, rocks, trees, dead animals, or whatever scientists don't just say it a billion years old because they found it in the billion year rock layer. Science has proven, that every element brakes down over time, some take a really long time; like carbon, and through a formula you can use the half life of carbon to exactly measure "when" the carbon was from.
Now, that is not to say that dating a finding by it surroundings is wrong, it is usually pretty accurate. With the known date of a couple global events such as asteroids or floods, and the effects that these events have on rock layers, you can then compare the event dates to where in the rock layer the "fossil" was found.
You are correct in that dinosaur's were big, and so were a lot of plants, but one does not cause the other. There were also many small "dinosaurs" and they like any animal evolved over time to be taller, wider, ect. Also remember dino's were around for a long time, longer than humans have been around, they survived many huge global events.
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I respect your view...I held a very close view of that till i got out of school and independly looked at the way things are fitted together...so many relationships in nature that require the other to work. One cant come first they happen at the same time.

The giant size of the plants is evidence that things are not the same as now.

For carbon dating to be accurate the amount of carbon in the atmosphere has to have been the same in the past as it is now and will be in the future. Like a clock with a dieing battery...it might take a week to do a 12 hour cycle. It dosen't make it a correct measure of 12 hours. The carbon levels in the atmosphere haven't hit equlibrium yet. Good luck in the future
 
hom36rown

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Charger said:
"We are all are made from stars!!!" Not that I disagree, but could you elaborate?
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After the big bang, there was only hydrogen and helium, all of the elements were created later in the center of stars, meaning all of the particles that make up our body, at one point were stardust. Pretty trippy huh.
 
Microdizzey

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hom36rown said:
After the big bang, there was only hydrogen and helium, all of the elements were created later in the center of stars, meaning all of the particles that make up our body, at one point were stardust. Pretty trippy huh.
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Either way, the beginning is a brilliant story. Coming from the stars or being created from an intelligent entity beyond the universe. It's amazing how people go through their lives without a care about what happens to them. Not thinking at all about how beautiful life really is. Wasting their lives away, getting drunk every day, numbed and mindless. Being a human is a gift, we should be thankful for every breathe we take, every step we take on this massive habitable planet that is barely a fraction of a dot in the universe. We can manifest what our minds conceive within the laws of physics, what an awesome ability to have. It's sad that the average person never thinks about this.
 
hom36rown

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slipperyP said:
They do...there are fossilized scorpions that are identical to the ones found today, they have found human footprints with a dinosaur print overlapping. There are stingrays and all kinds of animals.

Some animals have gained diversity amongst there own kind...That is the only testable scientific proof of starting life.

Dinosaurs were big due to the size of the plants at the time they were around...That is proven by the coal and oil deposits...Palm trees on the north pole under the ice, etc...Plants Were Big..Prob from a more temperate climate.

The alligators were huge...They didn't evolve they just shrank in size because the animals they were eating shank.
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Dinosaurs and humans did not live in the same time period. C'mon bro, this is just ridiculous. There is not one single competent scientist that would make this statement. There may be primitive scorpions or sting rays, but definitely not humans. As for human footprints with dinosaur track, when I google it, the only sites that come up are bible.com, creationsim.com etc. Cant you see you are just grasping at straws so that you can cling to your religion. Sure there may be some holes in the TOE, but it has been tested and retested for over a hundred years, and every new scientific advance supports it, and nothing has disproven it. All of the new info we have on DNA supports our findings on evolution. For example, apes have 48 chromosomes, humans 46. There are markers on chromosomes that indicate the end of the chromosome, and one of our chromosomes has these markes in the middle, and the end, indicating that two chromsomes, at some point in our evolution, fused together. The evidence goes on and on, and you might be able to point out certain flaws, but you cannot disprove the ToE, and you certainly cannot provide sufficient evidence to indicate that every species has existed since the beginning of time.
 
slipperyP

slipperyP

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You may be right about not being able to prove all animals were around at the start. That dosen't mean animals evolve into other animals, even with the scarecety of fossils...there should be " failures of chance" separations in populations that just didn't make it. They aren't there.

The degrees of some of the scientists are well earned and difficult....They are also smart enough not to say some of the things I don't give a damn about saying. If its black I call It black If its White I call It white. Your right I do believe there is a GOD and i am not any kind of religion. They can show me chromosome maps and fancy videos...they could fuse those chromosomes together and turn somones embro into an ape...that wouldn't actually prove people came from apes...that is the kind of evidence I would need to believe it. Dogs dont evolve to Cats...Haveing a similar code when there is a coder involved....not to surprising
 
hom36rown

hom36rown

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Microdizzey said:
Either way, the beginning is a brilliant story. Coming from the stars or being created from an intelligent entity beyond the universe. It's amazing how people go through their lives without a care about what happens to them. Not thinking at all about how beautiful life really is. Wasting their lives away, getting drunk every day, numbed and mindless. Being a human is a gift, we should be thankful for every breathe we take, every step we take on this massive habitable planet that is barely a fraction of a dot in the universe. We can manifest what our minds conceive within the laws of physics, what an awesome ability to have. It's sad that the average person never thinks about this.
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Agreed. Either way, its amazing, and incomprehensibly complex.
 
Chase the Bass

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I've noticed one thing whenever browse a creationism site. They always list times that evolution was "wrong". Like when they discovered a coelacanth in the 30's even though they were though to be extinct. The thing is...science gathers all the evidence and tries to find an answer. And sometimes the evidence changes. Religion gives the answer, and then they have to find and sometimes make evidence to support it.
 
Rob Roy

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slipperyP said:
I call bullshit....No one in my family was related to a monkey. There were a certian # of animals to begin with and there only being eliminated and never created. All of the evolutionary sciences are based on untestable and unrepeatable assumptions.
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Napolean Dynamite will be disappointed to know you don't accept the Liger or Tigon. Some people are as stubborn as a mule...whoops there's another one.
 
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