bassman999
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high humidity makes the leaves twist?
Scarhole's Perpetual Grow
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rasputin71
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Did you top the plant for 2 main colas that you want to CCOB? You want to veg 2 main colas until each is tall enough to wrap half the bucket, and then transplant (on edge/angle) and train shortly before flower. If you start training too early all of the bottom branches that become tops will get very tall and then stretch too much when flowered. I just did a few CCOB's with tomato cages and love it so far but the ones that are have been vegging the longest due to me starting a perpetual system are getting out of control.
SCARHOLE
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"Does high humidity make them twist?"
Im not a professional Botonist, but id say yes.
Cloning in less humidity seems to get rid of it for me, but it slows the clones down alot IMHO.
They have no roots an wont get drink properly tell they got some an I keep em huimd as hell for about 2 weeks.
I keep my ziplock bag cracked a bit an open it 2-3 times a day for some fresh C02 .
The leaf twisting dosent seem to hurt em just uglyfies em a bit.
But lack of water will hurt or kill em quickly.
Ps
MY method I picked up on the net, i dont know were.
Its not perfect, But it wroks . Im just shareing info on how i do it.
Ive only had 1-2 clones in the 40 Ive made die on me using this method .
Most are done an in the grow box in about 2.5 weeks.
SCARHOLE
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Great Questions. I never coverd the different ways Im training the plants.
Dont worry.The Purple Mtn Berry diesel will have the 2 colas transplanted in side ways method. More pure to hobbes style. But started With ZST by keeping the party cup on it side.
Im kinda experimenting, I looking for plants like hobbes had when keeping em 6 in from the rim. Like this.....
The Sharks breath Im just kinda coppying this circle LST. As a control test
I may try an run the Cronic with 4 branches grown to the edge of the bucket, then circled around 1/4 of the way each?
Or I may try an inner circle out of 2 branches and a outer circle with 2 branches. Vegged tell they are half the radius of pot?
Guess it depend on how much stretch i get in the next month.
Idk, This is my first rodeo training em like this. lol.
Ill compare many training methods an document my failures an success here with yall.
Love your questions an feed back guys keep em coming.
rasputin71
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Chronics from Serious? According to their description they do not perform well if you top them. I have 4 chronic clones in flower and 1 left in veg and I didn't top any of them once I read that. I SSCROG'd one of them but the others got trained around cages as they were. One had 2 stalks but the others were single stem.
SCARHOLE
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Yeah, its from serious, I got Its also not the best plant for outdoors lol.
I remember simon from serious told hobbes that the only way to keep Kalimist short was to flower from seed, but hobbes showed em otherwise.
Never heard of a strain not responding well to Training?
Wonder what they mean?
LOL guess ill find out.
I remember simon from serious told hobbes that the only way to keep Kalimist short was to flower from seed, but hobbes showed em otherwise.
Never heard of a strain not responding well to Training?
Wonder what they mean?
LOL guess ill find out.
Pullin' weeds
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WTF. I can't imagine a plant - cannabis or otherwise that reponds poorly to training. Everything does better with a little bit of discipline
rasputin71
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I said TOP, not TRAIN. They love the SSCROG and CCOB cages I am training them with. I did that to control their height instead of topping. The first clone had 2 weeks of veg and went from 8" to 24" in the first 20 days of 12/12. I had to do something to control the canopy because of the extended veg times starting my perpetual garden.WTF. I can't imagine a plant - cannabis or otherwise that reponds poorly to training. Everything does better with a little bit of discipline
Mudslide9791
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Hey Scar just wanted to stop in and tell ya how the smoke report went for my early harvest Widow that I stunted during my equipment upgrades. Even harvested 3 weeks early she turned out an extremely smooth, flavorful smoke, with a fantastic head high (took the info from three friends who always give me the honest truth regardless if it hurts my feelings =) Just wanted to let you know that the Nirvana White Widow strain is agood one to grow, she's finicky but man is it a nice end product =)
SCARHOLE
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Im not a physics teacher or anything, but Mirror is way more reflective than white. 
If i flashed you driving with a piece of mirror you would be blinded cause its reflecting back over 80% of the light.
If i flashed you with a piece of white wood, nothing.
Ive never believed white is more reflective than mirrors.
I want to flash my ladies with Intense reflected light, not spread out the light (diffuse it) an hope its getting more light than the mirrors reflection.
Im using mirrors im my grow box now , it kinda eliminates the need for side lighting (kick the bottom of the mirror out a bit tell they reflect up to your plants) an it apppears way brighter in there than when it was white. Mirrors dont eat light they reflect it.
Its never gave me any problems. I have used it with CFL an HID.
My whole cab is a polished reflector.
The white reflection is diffused (sending light in every direction) an very week compared to mirrors.
They reflect light everywhere, i want High intesity (specular) reflection so it focused.
I wouldnt put a light diffuser in front of my HID lights?
So why do we put em on out walls?
Well I dont I put up mirrors.
The main disadvatage to mirrors is it breaks and is expensive. But i do glass for a living an it can be done safely.
For saftey I used 1/4 inch thick, saftey backed mirror clear siliconed to the walls. (ONY USE CLEAR, others eat the crome an copper plating off the back of mirrors.)
An my price was free, witch is cheeper tham mylar an panda.
Most dont have money to exeriment by mirroring their grow room , I can free. So I did. Seems to kick ass.
(Exept for the hate people have for me trying it an givin my Opinion.)
I would rather have Mylar or Alum foil on my wall than White paint. With them i can see some reflection. I see nothing with white.
Ive all ready gotten all the lectures on how ignorant I am for my observations on White vs Mirror. I under stand
And I wont change back to white walls. So save em for a noob who believes if its in a grow guide its has to be true.
Originally Posted by SCARHOLE 
He wants diffused light, i want max reflection.
I really love it when people attempt to redefine what I have said or explain it in ways other than how I said it. It is not at all a matter of what I want. It is all about what plants require and what will make them grow the best and when it comes to reflective material, diffuse reflected light is exactly what plants need to grow their best.
You said you want maximum reflection ... and if I remember right, in the past you said you work with mirrors, maybe install them, I do not remember everything you said, and you get them for free and that free is hard to pass up. So you attempt to justify your use of mirrors and validate their worth by relying only on their percentage of reflectivity and totally ignore their specular reflection and refuse to accept that diffuse reflection is vastly better. It covers for you being to cheap or to uneducated in lighting to use a better reflective material.
Your plants would be vastly better off, and grow better, if you used a reflective material that was only 80% reflective but was highly diffuse in it's reflection than you would be if you could use something that is 100% reflective but only gave a specular reflection.
Percentage of reflectivity is not all important. Higher is better but only if a diffuse reflection comes with it. If not, something lower in reflectivity but highly diffuse in reflection would be vastly better.
If you prefer to accept the facts that's cool and the gang with me but remember that this site is supposed to be for learning and a source of information, factual information, so it would be nice if you did not make attempts to redefine what I have said or attempt to put words in my mouth or spread falsehoods about mirrors and their value as a reflective material just because you use them. Anyone who believes what you said will be mislead, learn things that are incorrect and their growing success will be diminished because of it.
Hot spots or flash points occur when bundles of concentrated light rays which are traveling parallel to each other converge. In grow rooms, the hot spot phenomenon is dramatically increased when using a material with a specular reflection as a supplementary lighting source to the grow lamps.
A light beam can be thought of as a bundle of individual light rays which are traveling parallel to each other. Each individual light ray of the bundle follows the law of reflection. If the bundle of light rays are incident upon a smooth surface, then the light rays reflect and remain concentrated in a bundle upon leaving the surface. Regardless of the grow room layout, the use of a specular reflective material on the walls, ceiling, and floors as a supplement lighting device to your grow lamps will be the biggest contributor to hot spots.
On the other hand, if the surface is textured, the light rays will reflect and diffuse in many different directions. The texture of the reflective surface assures that when each individual ray meets a surface it has a different orientation.
The normal line at the point of incidence is different for different rays. Subsequently, when the individual rays reflect off the rough surface according to the law of reflection, they scatter in different directions. The result is that the rays of light are incident upon the surface in a concentrated bundle and are diffused upon reflection.
That is what plants need and if plants actually 'wanted,' that is what they would want. Diffuse reflection is also what plants receive in nature. Light rays strike all sorts of different materials and the reflected rays are scattered in all directions, they are diffused, and that is the type of reflectivity nature provides. Plants evolved over thousands and thousands and thousands of years, or more, to grow best, to make the very most of what nature provided them.
Do you believe that you can reverse or overcome untold numbers of years of evolution just because you get your mirrors free or very inexpensively?
If you knew how plants worked, if you knew what they required, if you had any horticultural knowledge at all the second you finished reading this message you would instantly go to your grow room and rip out all your mirrors and replace them with a high quality reflective material that provides a highly diffuse form of reflection.
But you won't because you will not allow any of this to sink in and you will instead go with what you want and need to believe, in part because of your access to mirrors, and totally ignore every single fact about plants and reflected light
BrickTop"
Edit-As for bricktops concers over diffuse vs specular reflection. The angle makes the mirror have specular reflection.
At a certin angle the mirror flashes you.(Specular reflecion occors)
At every other angel Lambert Cosines Law applies an it is a Lambert scatter reflecting light at every angle. Just like white paint. Appering equaly bright at almost every angle.
I believe that mirror would give a better diffuse reflection at those angles than white paint.
But im very ignorant.
I WANT MAXLIGHT REFLECTED RIGHT AT MY LADIES. Its like recycling your light IMHO
My mirrors stood nearly verticaly in my lil cab you can see the reflected light its very bright but only extends out about 10 inches in front of the mirrors bottom.
So with my bucket height an moving the plants up to the glass im not getting much Specular reflection tell they get big.
If I moved the bottom out 5-6 inched for optimum flash I would loose alot of cab space.
I may have to add some more mirrors an angle them right at my ladies soon......
I also had mirrors on the floor but they were very cold an I drilled holes in the bottom for air flow (Hobbes air floor).
When its warmer ill add it agian.
My Purple Mtn Berry Diesel has been laid on its side today for its ZST, an Im putting mirror under it to reflect light to the under side of the leafs.
When the clones get going ill do a side by side test, one with mirror an one without.
My mirrors wont even hurt a seedling, ill show you..........
If i flashed you driving with a piece of mirror you would be blinded cause its reflecting back over 80% of the light.
If i flashed you with a piece of white wood, nothing.
Ive never believed white is more reflective than mirrors.
I want to flash my ladies with Intense reflected light, not spread out the light (diffuse it) an hope its getting more light than the mirrors reflection.
Im using mirrors im my grow box now , it kinda eliminates the need for side lighting (kick the bottom of the mirror out a bit tell they reflect up to your plants) an it apppears way brighter in there than when it was white. Mirrors dont eat light they reflect it.
Its never gave me any problems. I have used it with CFL an HID.
My whole cab is a polished reflector.
The white reflection is diffused (sending light in every direction) an very week compared to mirrors.
They reflect light everywhere, i want High intesity (specular) reflection so it focused.
I wouldnt put a light diffuser in front of my HID lights?
So why do we put em on out walls?
Well I dont I put up mirrors.
Anybody who actually uses mirrors will tell you there is no problem.
Everybody and their grandmother who has never used a mirror will talk about hot spots and so on. Sure mirrors create hotspots, so do my HIDs, this heat is called light.
Mirrors in sunlight might be too hot, but with lil Hids i can feel NO heat off emEverybody and their grandmother who has never used a mirror will talk about hot spots and so on. Sure mirrors create hotspots, so do my HIDs, this heat is called light.
The main disadvatage to mirrors is it breaks and is expensive. But i do glass for a living an it can be done safely.
For saftey I used 1/4 inch thick, saftey backed mirror clear siliconed to the walls. (ONY USE CLEAR, others eat the crome an copper plating off the back of mirrors.)
An my price was free, witch is cheeper tham mylar an panda.
Most dont have money to exeriment by mirroring their grow room , I can free. So I did. Seems to kick ass.
(Exept for the hate people have for me trying it an givin my Opinion.)
I would rather have Mylar or Alum foil on my wall than White paint. With them i can see some reflection. I see nothing with white.
Ive all ready gotten all the lectures on how ignorant I am for my observations on White vs Mirror. I under stand
And I wont change back to white walls. So save em for a noob who believes if its in a grow guide its has to be true.
He wants diffused light, i want max reflection.
I really love it when people attempt to redefine what I have said or explain it in ways other than how I said it. It is not at all a matter of what I want. It is all about what plants require and what will make them grow the best and when it comes to reflective material, diffuse reflected light is exactly what plants need to grow their best.
You said you want maximum reflection ... and if I remember right, in the past you said you work with mirrors, maybe install them, I do not remember everything you said, and you get them for free and that free is hard to pass up. So you attempt to justify your use of mirrors and validate their worth by relying only on their percentage of reflectivity and totally ignore their specular reflection and refuse to accept that diffuse reflection is vastly better. It covers for you being to cheap or to uneducated in lighting to use a better reflective material.
Your plants would be vastly better off, and grow better, if you used a reflective material that was only 80% reflective but was highly diffuse in it's reflection than you would be if you could use something that is 100% reflective but only gave a specular reflection.
Percentage of reflectivity is not all important. Higher is better but only if a diffuse reflection comes with it. If not, something lower in reflectivity but highly diffuse in reflection would be vastly better.
If you prefer to accept the facts that's cool and the gang with me but remember that this site is supposed to be for learning and a source of information, factual information, so it would be nice if you did not make attempts to redefine what I have said or attempt to put words in my mouth or spread falsehoods about mirrors and their value as a reflective material just because you use them. Anyone who believes what you said will be mislead, learn things that are incorrect and their growing success will be diminished because of it.
Hot spots or flash points occur when bundles of concentrated light rays which are traveling parallel to each other converge. In grow rooms, the hot spot phenomenon is dramatically increased when using a material with a specular reflection as a supplementary lighting source to the grow lamps.
A light beam can be thought of as a bundle of individual light rays which are traveling parallel to each other. Each individual light ray of the bundle follows the law of reflection. If the bundle of light rays are incident upon a smooth surface, then the light rays reflect and remain concentrated in a bundle upon leaving the surface. Regardless of the grow room layout, the use of a specular reflective material on the walls, ceiling, and floors as a supplement lighting device to your grow lamps will be the biggest contributor to hot spots.
On the other hand, if the surface is textured, the light rays will reflect and diffuse in many different directions. The texture of the reflective surface assures that when each individual ray meets a surface it has a different orientation.
The normal line at the point of incidence is different for different rays. Subsequently, when the individual rays reflect off the rough surface according to the law of reflection, they scatter in different directions. The result is that the rays of light are incident upon the surface in a concentrated bundle and are diffused upon reflection.
That is what plants need and if plants actually 'wanted,' that is what they would want. Diffuse reflection is also what plants receive in nature. Light rays strike all sorts of different materials and the reflected rays are scattered in all directions, they are diffused, and that is the type of reflectivity nature provides. Plants evolved over thousands and thousands and thousands of years, or more, to grow best, to make the very most of what nature provided them.
Do you believe that you can reverse or overcome untold numbers of years of evolution just because you get your mirrors free or very inexpensively?
If you knew how plants worked, if you knew what they required, if you had any horticultural knowledge at all the second you finished reading this message you would instantly go to your grow room and rip out all your mirrors and replace them with a high quality reflective material that provides a highly diffuse form of reflection.
But you won't because you will not allow any of this to sink in and you will instead go with what you want and need to believe, in part because of your access to mirrors, and totally ignore every single fact about plants and reflected light
BrickTop"
Edit-As for bricktops concers over diffuse vs specular reflection. The angle makes the mirror have specular reflection.
At a certin angle the mirror flashes you.(Specular reflecion occors)
At every other angel Lambert Cosines Law applies an it is a Lambert scatter reflecting light at every angle. Just like white paint. Appering equaly bright at almost every angle.
I believe that mirror would give a better diffuse reflection at those angles than white paint.
But im very ignorant.
I WANT MAXLIGHT REFLECTED RIGHT AT MY LADIES. Its like recycling your light IMHO
My mirrors stood nearly verticaly in my lil cab you can see the reflected light its very bright but only extends out about 10 inches in front of the mirrors bottom.
So with my bucket height an moving the plants up to the glass im not getting much Specular reflection tell they get big.
If I moved the bottom out 5-6 inched for optimum flash I would loose alot of cab space.
I may have to add some more mirrors an angle them right at my ladies soon......
I also had mirrors on the floor but they were very cold an I drilled holes in the bottom for air flow (Hobbes air floor).
When its warmer ill add it agian.
My Purple Mtn Berry Diesel has been laid on its side today for its ZST, an Im putting mirror under it to reflect light to the under side of the leafs.
When the clones get going ill do a side by side test, one with mirror an one without.
My mirrors wont even hurt a seedling, ill show you..........
bassman999
Well-Known Member
I always figured mirrors would be better than whits or panda as well. I have a whole wall in my bedroom as mirrors (huge Closet doors) and it makes the room brighter. I covered them with blankets and it muted the room severely. I never tried them to grow with though.
CaptainCAVEMAN
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Pretty cool read here man. +rep
since you admit that you're rather cheap with your spending on your grow. Subcool's Super soil mix is waaaaaay outta your price range. It cost roughly around $500.00 to get it up and running plus. Once you dumped your favorite nute(MG) on it, you'd kill all the "microbeasties" in the soil! It would be a lost adventure from the gate. Didn't your grandmother, or mother tell you, "you get what you pay for"?Im kinda drunk an angry after work.
An want to tell all new growers..
Dont spend big bucks on nutes.
Use that money for a HID or lighting upgrades.
Those compays are snake oil sales men.
What there product does best is seperate you from your money.
They guit trip or LIE to poeple into spending way to much for nutes that are very cheep.
Whats the difference between Botinicare sweet an Molasses? about 20$.
Anything they got you can make for very little money.
If you like organics great you can make em for almost nothing, witch is cheeper than Miracal Gro an I like cheep.
Check out Sub cool supper soil cheep organic perfection. I would try it but ingredience arent available here.
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/44686-subcools-super-soil.html
The majority of food in the USA is grown with chemical nutes. Its very safe. An very effective. There is no difference Amoiium Nitrate youd get from boiling down piss (urea) vs makin it in a lab with Nitric acid an amonia.
Miracal grow dosent make your bud tast bad. Thats ususaly cause its cured wrong. lol. I remember when people hated hydo cause of the chemical taste lol. Just popular misconseptions.
Seems to me many people were told by "Experts" that they have to grow with there organics or theyll be smoking peraquat like poisons an killing the earth. Nonsense.
Heres an example on how people are guilt tripped into buying organics.....
Originally Posted by SCARHOLE
Orangic fertz in the same concentration an amounts are equally poisonous.
Your organic has the same "poisons" in it that MG has."
"You are wrong, my organic nutrients are not made out of ammonium nitrate, the same substance that leveled the OK federal building. That statement is completely false, maybe you should read up on organic nutrients.
As far as the blue MG food, it's great for ornamental flowers, but seeing as how I don't know it's health effects, why take the chance. And it also has no other benefit besides super strong (N) (P) (K). "
Name withheld. I dont wanna fight.
Scarholes reply....
"When a plant dies, an animal dies, or an animal expels waste, the initial form of nitrogen is organic. Bacteria, or in some cases, fungi, convert the organic nitrogen within the remains back into ammonium (NH4+), a process called ammonification.
I have seen compost piles smoking from the amonia nitrates, they self combust all the time if not mixed.
Im very sure you can make a bomb from organics.
If your fertz were composted, or contain Urea, made from dead organic matter, they got Amonium Nitrates in em.
And if they dont the Microbes in the soil will make some for them. '
Most of the time some one uses it with out reading the dosage directions or fertilizes to early an burns the plant an it Miracal Gro s falult?
Everything in fertilizer is a toxic poison, but plants love it in the correct amounts.
I agree the Miracal Gro company is kinda rotten, as most are.
But the product is great IMHO.
I judge by bang for the buck, an they are my daisy.
I wish MG was cool an sold at the hydro stores, but my plants dont care about cool.
PS The clones are looking great, no signs of stess, Ill get pics up soon.
Good luck,and keep going for it!
SCARHOLE
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I believe MG dosent kill every microbe in the soil it feeds em, Although MG soil is sterile an needs some outdoor soil or compost an Humic acid to develop them properly. http://www.humates.com/pdf/nvsc.pdf
My grandma an me are more concered with whats best for the buck. lol vs Whats the best ,moneys be dammed.
If Advanced sold perilite for 50$ a bag it would sell like hot cakes, alot of times your just extra payn for that Brands "name".
I may go organic some time but only if i can make it cheep enough. 500 Bucks on soil is crazy high for my blood.
Im such a tight bastard.
For example my vehicle has 238,000 mi and is 20yrs old.
Speaking of getting what you payd for......
I was going to try DR GreenThumbs seeds.
It crushes me that I couldnt afford to try DR GreenThumbs seeds this year. (wifes back in college again)
I was going to get some despite the high price.
Last year was the same, to broke to try "the best".
I want to grow em, an tell the haters here that his seeds are worth the money.
I hear sooooo many good things about em from the growers, an such hate from those who havent growen em.
I just got to know whose right.
If half the shit I read about em is true he must be a NINJA!
My grandma an me are more concered with whats best for the buck. lol vs Whats the best ,moneys be dammed.
If Advanced sold perilite for 50$ a bag it would sell like hot cakes, alot of times your just extra payn for that Brands "name".
I may go organic some time but only if i can make it cheep enough. 500 Bucks on soil is crazy high for my blood.
Im such a tight bastard.
For example my vehicle has 238,000 mi and is 20yrs old.
Speaking of getting what you payd for......
I was going to try DR GreenThumbs seeds.
It crushes me that I couldnt afford to try DR GreenThumbs seeds this year. (wifes back in college again)
I was going to get some despite the high price.
Last year was the same, to broke to try "the best".
I want to grow em, an tell the haters here that his seeds are worth the money.
I hear sooooo many good things about em from the growers, an such hate from those who havent growen em.
I just got to know whose right.
If half the shit I read about em is true he must be a NINJA!
SCARHOLE
Well-Known Member
- Got the mirrors in th cab angled right at the ladies.
To solve the space loss the mirrors are half the height of he cabs prevoius mirrors.Had to kick em out a bit at the bottm (2-3 inches).
- For a Diy I make some CD reflectors, I seen on someoneS DWC grow about a year ago that had them an i loved em. Place under seedling to get light reflected up at the leafs. I been using em for the last year, totaly safe IMHO.
They were under the sharksbreath an cronic tell they outgrew em.They are made by scoring the cd a few times with a razor a knife. AWAY from your hands lol. Then flex tell the piece pops out
Mudslide9791
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Now that is one cool ass idea!View attachment 1412884
- Got the mirrors in th cab angled right at the ladies.
To solve the space loss the mirrors are half the height of he cabs prevoius mirrors.Had to kick em out a bit at the bottm (2-3 inches).
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- For a Diy I made some CD reflectors, I seen on someoneS DWC grow about a year ago that had them an i loved em. Place under seedling to get light reflected up at the leafs. I been using em for the last year, totaly safe IMHO.
SCARHOLE
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Holy shit its cold. Its like -24 with 50 mph winds. My cab is out in my shed, hope they are ok. I got to check soon.
I topped the PMBD yesterday to get 2 tops. Cut at the first true node.
Shes loving the extra light from the mirror an has grown alot in 2 days.
I would like to introduce my grow partner "COCO" the dachsund puppy.
He was rescued from the pound, an owes me big.
With him Im hoping to double my yeild.
lol
He came named his full name is "Spring creek coco puffy"
? WTF ?
This stuff is kinda weeker than the store bought so use alot of it. But it works .
Ill definatly be putting her to the test with the skunk s im going to try.
(Ceres skunk, power skunk, Buddahs cheese, skunk #1)
P.S. Just checked the cab an its sunny an 82' in there.
I topped the PMBD yesterday to get 2 tops. Cut at the first true node.
Shes loving the extra light from the mirror an has grown alot in 2 days.
I would like to introduce my grow partner "COCO" the dachsund puppy.
He was rescued from the pound, an owes me big.
With him Im hoping to double my yeild.
lol
He came named his full name is "Spring creek coco puffy"
? WTF ?
My DIY carbon filter bucket was getting week, I needed some more charcole.
But the fish store here charges way to much for a little bag of activated carbon, so I make it myself.
I could smell them in veg the other day, so it was time for new.
My odor scrubber is made with some sheet metal wraped around an ocilating fan with the stand removed.
The sheet metal cylinder is held with some selftapping screws.
Piece of plexi with alot of holes an some screen material in the bottom.
The plexi an screen set on 4 screws threw the sheet metal near the bottom.
But the fish store here charges way to much for a little bag of activated carbon, so I make it myself.
I could smell them in veg the other day, so it was time for new.
My odor scrubber is made with some sheet metal wraped around an ocilating fan with the stand removed.
The sheet metal cylinder is held with some selftapping screws.
Piece of plexi with alot of holes an some screen material in the bottom.
The plexi an screen set on 4 screws threw the sheet metal near the bottom.
You can make your own with any fire, just shovel up some coals. Put em out by depriving em of air.
I smash them into about 1/4 in chunks(so its got good air flow) an pour into the scrubber.
Also , it dosent smell like a fire place lol.
I smash them into about 1/4 in chunks(so its got good air flow) an pour into the scrubber.
Also , it dosent smell like a fire place lol.
This stuff is kinda weeker than the store bought so use alot of it. But it works .
Ill definatly be putting her to the test with the skunk s im going to try.
(Ceres skunk, power skunk, Buddahs cheese, skunk #1)
P.S. Just checked the cab an its sunny an 82' in there.
SCARHOLE
Well-Known Member
Gnats.
"Adult flies can be a nuisance when present in high numbers but the damaging stage is the larvae that feed on plant roots. Fungus gnat larvae can do significant damage to young plants that don't yet have a developed root system. They are most often a problem in greenhouses and potted house plants."
http://www.livingwithbugs.com/fungus_gnat.html
I see alot of people who used MG soil got Fungus Gnats.
I hate gnats, but its not MG grows fault.
They are living on the shelfs at the store.
I got the bastards an went back to the store an investigated.
Dead gnats every where.
Before I buy soil now I look around under an between the bags, an If I see dead gnats I go elsewhere.
Stoped em 100% for me.
And I learned that 3 out of 4 stores in my area are plagued with gnats.
When i got em the sand on top of the soil did the trick.
"Adult flies can be a nuisance when present in high numbers but the damaging stage is the larvae that feed on plant roots. Fungus gnat larvae can do significant damage to young plants that don't yet have a developed root system. They are most often a problem in greenhouses and potted house plants."
http://www.livingwithbugs.com/fungus_gnat.html
I see alot of people who used MG soil got Fungus Gnats.
I hate gnats, but its not MG grows fault.
They are living on the shelfs at the store.
I got the bastards an went back to the store an investigated.
Dead gnats every where.
Before I buy soil now I look around under an between the bags, an If I see dead gnats I go elsewhere.
Stoped em 100% for me.
And I learned that 3 out of 4 stores in my area are plagued with gnats.
When i got em the sand on top of the soil did the trick.