Sativied
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Sounds good man, and feel free to post pics here
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TheChemist77
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First time outdoors in 25 years
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I was going to wait till later this year but with the temps dropping I figured I might as well turn on the heater, aka hps lamp and grow some. (PCK x SH) f2 x (CHxCH), i.e. the Wineballs F2 x CH from a few posts ago. Spotted some familiar red early on like last time (before adding CH to the mix) but not so sure any will appear in buds. We’ll see, smells good so far, pinkred… one of the males smells sweet, bubblegum-ish w/e it is, too.
An extra female, didn’t want to kill her, left her in seedling container and stuck her in a corner and then she went like gimme that light. They clearly inherited the Silver haze and Cannalope haze elongation genes, PCK can’t stretch like that regardless of the circumstances.
An extra female, didn’t want to kill her, left her in seedling container and stuck her in a corner and then she went like gimme that light. They clearly inherited the Silver haze and Cannalope haze elongation genes, PCK can’t stretch like that regardless of the circumstances.
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Hot Diggity Sog
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Looking proper as always. I started breeding a few years back and am having the most fun ever doing it.
Sativied
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Hey long time no see. Yeah is definitely fun. I stuck with the whorled phyllotaxy too long but fun it was.
Are you still using the 360 degree tubes setup? That was good fun too. I got to keep it small and simple for a while, but would love to use the same setup I used early on in this thread.
Hot Diggity Sog
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Nah...that was super fun but I moved onto LED's and they aren't really conducive for that.
Sativied
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So lazy grower these days I didn’t even count the number of plants I have…
One of the 10 or so is compact, smaller than rest, thus seemingly leaning more towards the PCK, more like the pck x sh (wineballs f2). So i was kinda hoping that would translate to it getting pink buds too… and guess what:
Doesn’t show up very well yet but it’s clearly there, similar to wineballs f2 at this stage
Couple of talls ones with a hint of pink too.
ok maybe 12 plants…
Got 3 males too, no color on them yet, I get the impression it’s less likely on males I remove early and just put behind a window.
I might have to try and make some late clones, will regret not doing that cause they smell so frigging good. PCK isn’t very strong but sweet and different, smells red/purple. The CH is skunk like, almost fermenting, grapefruit (c99…). The silver haze in it is well, silver haze. Bit early but so far that seems to add up nicely.
Plenty of vigor in all too. Variety of stretch and stem thickness, the structure is sort of a stronger shorter silver haze. Very curious to see what effect the pck genes have on the flower time. PCK only needs 7 weeks or so, CH 9w, SH 9-11w. That’s the same order as yield, pck is so fast it doesn’t take time to stack buds fat, while SH just keeps on giving.
Reused the perlite from last run, never did that before. Dumped it including roots in a bag, let it dry a month, stirred, filtered, and threw it in a large container to rins. Not entirely clean but they don’t seem to mind. May have to create a new drain hole in this one…
Ran out of PH minus after one week veg, didn’t bother to get new. 4tsp A + 4tsp B per bucket of I don’t know how many liters of water.
One of the 10 or so is compact, smaller than rest, thus seemingly leaning more towards the PCK, more like the pck x sh (wineballs f2). So i was kinda hoping that would translate to it getting pink buds too… and guess what:
Doesn’t show up very well yet but it’s clearly there, similar to wineballs f2 at this stage
Couple of talls ones with a hint of pink too.
ok maybe 12 plants…
Got 3 males too, no color on them yet, I get the impression it’s less likely on males I remove early and just put behind a window.
I might have to try and make some late clones, will regret not doing that cause they smell so frigging good. PCK isn’t very strong but sweet and different, smells red/purple. The CH is skunk like, almost fermenting, grapefruit (c99…). The silver haze in it is well, silver haze. Bit early but so far that seems to add up nicely.
Plenty of vigor in all too. Variety of stretch and stem thickness, the structure is sort of a stronger shorter silver haze. Very curious to see what effect the pck genes have on the flower time. PCK only needs 7 weeks or so, CH 9w, SH 9-11w. That’s the same order as yield, pck is so fast it doesn’t take time to stack buds fat, while SH just keeps on giving.
Reused the perlite from last run, never did that before. Dumped it including roots in a bag, let it dry a month, stirred, filtered, and threw it in a large container to rins. Not entirely clean but they don’t seem to mind. May have to create a new drain hole in this one…
Ran out of PH minus after one week veg, didn’t bother to get new. 4tsp A + 4tsp B per bucket of I don’t know how many liters of water.
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TheChemist77
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Looking good, sorry ain’t been around lately. Spending a lot of time in the woods hunting. I find peace in nature. My outdoor trot turned out,,,,sadly had to cull a few weeks early so the buds smaller Than they could have been. Lots of rain and cold nights I worried about mold, seen a few slugs and pulled. Not sure what strain could finish up Here and I really dislike auto’s. Oh well started a few indoors for winter, old seeds, only a few popped but got a few chocolate chunks from th seeds. You said grapefruit,,,,made me want to go seed shopping!
Sativied
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Space (2x4ft) is so full with tall plants it's hard to make decent pics without removing the doors but it's starting to look really good, long colas, which hopefully become fat too. Still not sure what to expect with the low yielding PCK in the mix, but then there's more silver haze and cannalope haze in it which are very good producers. Considering doing 8x4 feet this winter if they turn out well.
Same challenge here with cold and rainy fall, it's why afghani, kush and later Skunk were once very popular (before easily available HPS) but then Oct this year was wettest month since measurements started early 1900s.
The description of the chocolate chunks sound great!
Same challenge here with cold and rainy fall, it's why afghani, kush and later Skunk were once very popular (before easily available HPS) but then Oct this year was wettest month since measurements started early 1900s.
The description of the chocolate chunks sound great!
Sativied
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Couple of the ‘extra’ females. That is, I stopped putting females in larger ’pots’ when I had 8 or so, and didn’t top these. The one on the right I ended up putting in a pot from which I ripped a male just before switching to 12/12. Messy business at the bottom, expected that a little cause of the reused perlite. Growing hydro on a mix of perlite dead roots from last run… yolo.
TheChemist77
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Damn, all that in a 2x4? My veg closet is 6x3 containing a 2x4 ebb n flow table a 36 site king clones and a fan. Plus’s overhead intake and exaust. How many plants you run?
TheChemist77
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Oh and how often do you water? i Like the use of plastic bottles ingenius!
Sativied
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Ok, removed the doors for full pic. HPS, removed yellow a bit from photos.
13 plants, 4 of them are like the the untopped sorta single cola ones. I was going for 8 females but didn’t want to cull the extra (popped 22 seeds or so) to have more chances of some being pink/red.
Water usually once a day. Roughly 400ml / 12oz. The two in small bottles get less but usually twice a day else they dry out. HPS runs 400watt though sometimes I set it to 600w for a few hours. Plants obviously too tall, expected PCK influence to keep them shorter, CH isn’t that tall either, most look silver haze like tall. Couple of shorter ones including the more colorful one is a bit fatter already and will clearly finish weeks before for example the following:
My intake is beneath a sort of plateau on which the plants stand, filter connects to exhaust in the ceiling. No idea about temps and RH atm. I never run my light when I’m not at home, they haven’t had any yesterday. Looking perky still but obviously not optimal to skip a whole day light at this point.
13 plants, 4 of them are like the the untopped sorta single cola ones. I was going for 8 females but didn’t want to cull the extra (popped 22 seeds or so) to have more chances of some being pink/red.
Water usually once a day. Roughly 400ml / 12oz. The two in small bottles get less but usually twice a day else they dry out. HPS runs 400watt though sometimes I set it to 600w for a few hours. Plants obviously too tall, expected PCK influence to keep them shorter, CH isn’t that tall either, most look silver haze like tall. Couple of shorter ones including the more colorful one is a bit fatter already and will clearly finish weeks before for example the following:
My intake is beneath a sort of plateau on which the plants stand, filter connects to exhaust in the ceiling. No idea about temps and RH atm. I never run my light when I’m not at home, they haven’t had any yesterday. Looking perky still but obviously not optimal to skip a whole day light at this point.
Sativied
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Finally pollinated a few buds. No male with red flowers, picked one with a good structure and plenty of red on stems and leaf bottoms.
Looks like at least half the females have pink to red in it. Some look more like Cannalope Haze in terms of bud structure and level of frost. Some of the others could turn out great if they flower long enough but hard to say at this point.
Smallest plant, most compact, not great bud-to-leaf ratio, most color and looks like it will be ready weeks before some others. Thus taking after its PCK ancestors.
Most CH looking and best overall so far, also has some pink though not very clear on this pic. Smells so good, look forward to rollling on up.
Looks like at least half the females have pink to red in it. Some look more like Cannalope Haze in terms of bud structure and level of frost. Some of the others could turn out great if they flower long enough but hard to say at this point.
Smallest plant, most compact, not great bud-to-leaf ratio, most color and looks like it will be ready weeks before some others. Thus taking after its PCK ancestors.
Most CH looking and best overall so far, also has some pink though not very clear on this pic. Smells so good, look forward to rollling on up.
TheChemist77
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Maybe you can give me a few tips, I normally just make S1’s because I know what the seeds Will produce. How to pick a good male when in a small garden seems difficult if you had room for 10 or more males to choose from, that’s one thing but if I only have maybe 3-5 males how do I pick the best one for breeding? All males seem to grow faster than females, I normally go by structure, squat bushy, or tall lass branch depending on what female I’m going with. Then I rub stems n smell, thay all smell good to me. Any tips on picking males when you don’t have a lot of time and space to put into males?
Sativied
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It's far from ideal working with a small number of plants. Only way to really test a male is to grow, flower, dry and test the product of its offspring and compare that to the results with other males, but yeah space limits. The male I used I picked solely because it has plenty of red streaks, opposed to the other two I flowered. Not even sure I will grow the offspring, I’ll probably pop more of the ones I got going now, knowing now there will be plants from which I want to take clones (good bud structure and size and frosty but still at least pink).
With limited plants "How to pick a good male" becomes more an exercise of trying to avoid picking bad males and use the last man or men standing.
Rubbing the males was far more useful for my P cross to exclude males than selecting the best. All the males smelled like strong pine in veg already, but some had this dank darker pine smell. Which later on seemed to be linked to a similar unpleasant dark taste/smell in buds, so it became an easy way to exclude at least a couple of the males.
It depends a lot on your goals and personal preferences but in addition to what you mentioned already:
- The firsts ones I cull are the 1-2 that haven’t shown its sex while the rest has. (when I still have a roughly equal amount of females and males). If there’s one or two clearly ahead of the rest I might cull those too. Basically when it comes to time to mature and transition (and in case of females flower duration) I avoid extremes. 44 days flower period is fun, but it comes at a cost in yield and probably potency too.
- Hollow vs non hollow stems in combination with wall thickness. I don't mind hollow stems but if I bend and pinch during veg/transition and they don't stand up again the next day but fold like a plastic straw instead, they're definitely out.
- I like some stretch during veg but especially those that clearly stretch more than others during transitioning I tend to remove, again selecting against extremes rather than the ideal plant.
- In addition to stretch of plant stems, the length of petioles (leaf stalks). I tend to push my males in the corner so they stretch even more on top of already being larger than females. Just leaves looking for more space/light, by itself a good thing if the neighboring plants were not cannabis. The way I crowd my plants, especially males, tends to enhance the extremes and there's always one or two that gets too lanky, not just stems but petioles too.
- Frost. Not always a great available option but sometimes I get males with trichomes all over, sometimes just looking at stipules of otherwise similar males can help at least (whether it’s effective in the offspring is another thing). Taking macro pics helps.
- Roots. Often easier on hydro or even mediumless or transparent containers my lazy ass uses. Usually the males that seem less vigorous on top also have less roots but sometimes, everything else being more or less equal, it’s another influential trait to compare.
Just some things to consider when you're in a luxury position where multiple males stand out overall or need to cull some males earlier on.
With limited plants "How to pick a good male" becomes more an exercise of trying to avoid picking bad males and use the last man or men standing.
That right there. It becomes easier when you're familiar with the parents of the plants you're selecting from. I've done so many runs and generations of my P cross I even looked at stipules eventually. The better more vigorous ones with great calyx to leave ratio usually had longer vigorous frosty uhm… ‘fully erect’ stipules. So in next or previous generations I preferred male plants that had that too. Same with leaf serrations. Some have double, some are more pointy or curvy. Especially when there’s clear difference in the parents it can help to recognize and select males that in that regard look most like their most desirable sister (the female in your quote).
Rubbing the males was far more useful for my P cross to exclude males than selecting the best. All the males smelled like strong pine in veg already, but some had this dank darker pine smell. Which later on seemed to be linked to a similar unpleasant dark taste/smell in buds, so it became an easy way to exclude at least a couple of the males.
It depends a lot on your goals and personal preferences but in addition to what you mentioned already:
- The firsts ones I cull are the 1-2 that haven’t shown its sex while the rest has. (when I still have a roughly equal amount of females and males). If there’s one or two clearly ahead of the rest I might cull those too. Basically when it comes to time to mature and transition (and in case of females flower duration) I avoid extremes. 44 days flower period is fun, but it comes at a cost in yield and probably potency too.
- Hollow vs non hollow stems in combination with wall thickness. I don't mind hollow stems but if I bend and pinch during veg/transition and they don't stand up again the next day but fold like a plastic straw instead, they're definitely out.
- I like some stretch during veg but especially those that clearly stretch more than others during transitioning I tend to remove, again selecting against extremes rather than the ideal plant.
- In addition to stretch of plant stems, the length of petioles (leaf stalks). I tend to push my males in the corner so they stretch even more on top of already being larger than females. Just leaves looking for more space/light, by itself a good thing if the neighboring plants were not cannabis. The way I crowd my plants, especially males, tends to enhance the extremes and there's always one or two that gets too lanky, not just stems but petioles too.
- Frost. Not always a great available option but sometimes I get males with trichomes all over, sometimes just looking at stipules of otherwise similar males can help at least (whether it’s effective in the offspring is another thing). Taking macro pics helps.
- Roots. Often easier on hydro or even mediumless or transparent containers my lazy ass uses. Usually the males that seem less vigorous on top also have less roots but sometimes, everything else being more or less equal, it’s another influential trait to compare.
Just some things to consider when you're in a luxury position where multiple males stand out overall or need to cull some males earlier on.
Sativied
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The ‘extra’ females are keeping up nicely.
It’s like the universe is telling me to ditch the perlite and grow on water again.
As became obvious earlier in flower, some are going to finish much earlier than others, the following looks like its mom (pck x sh) and smells and looks good but won’t be a big producer.
This one might…
It’s like the universe is telling me to ditch the perlite and grow on water again.
As became obvious earlier in flower, some are going to finish much earlier than others, the following looks like its mom (pck x sh) and smells and looks good but won’t be a big producer.
This one might…
Sativied
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Starting to look better than expected. Very pleased with the difference between now and 4 weeks ago. Looks like crossing it (SHxPCK) with CH fixed the low yield, and then some.
Looks like pink CH:
One of the single cola females in small bottle:
The most pck-looking one, also most color. Had a few cold nights with temps below 60, fans turning dark fast.
This one is a bit of an odd duck too. Lovely structure and frosty fans, but clearly not as fat as others.
Looks like pink CH:
One of the single cola females in small bottle:
The most pck-looking one, also most color. Had a few cold nights with temps below 60, fans turning dark fast.
This one is a bit of an odd duck too. Lovely structure and frosty fans, but clearly not as fat as others.
TheChemist77
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Thanks for the tips, I almost forgot about the hollow stems as sometimes I crack and twist. That above lady absolutely Beautifull if she smells anything like I’m thinking I’m in love. Color does remind me of a Avalon dynamite cross from years ago, I guess you got the magic touch as I’ve never found a male sporting color,,of course I’ve never had a lot of luck in the search for purple either, purple #1 only purple I ever really got but sow low on production wasn’t with the effort. Anyways beau as always,well done