S&P downgrades US credit rating from AAA

Stoney McFried

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Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer, On Friday August 5, 2011, 9:23 pm
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Credit rating agency Standard & Poor's on Friday downgraded the United States' credit rating for the first time in the history of the ratings.
The credit rating agency said that it is cutting the country's top AAA rating by one notch to AA-plus. The credit agency said that it is making the move because the deficit reduction plan passed by Congress on Tuesday did not go far enough to stabilize the country's debt situation.
A source familiar with the discussions said that the Obama administration feels the S&P's analysis contained "deep and fundamental flaws."
S&P said that in addition to the downgrade, it is issuing a negative outlook, meaning that there was a chance it will lower the rating further within the next two years. It said such a downgrade to AA would occur if the agency sees less reductions in spending than Congress and the administration have agreed to make, higher interest rates or new fiscal pressures during this period.
S&P first put the government on notice in April that a downgrade was possible unless Congress and the administration came up with a credible long-term deficit reduction plan and avoided a default on the country's debt.
After months of wrangling and negotiations with the administration, Congress passed this week a debt reduction package at the 11th-hour that averted a possible default.
In its statement, S&P said that it had changed its view "of the difficulties of bridging the gulf between the political parties" over a credible deficit reduction plan.
S&P said it was now "pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan that stabilizes the government's debt dynamics anytime soon."
 

Stoney McFried

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Forgive me for being a dummy, but could someone who knows about this please explain to me why this is a bad thing?
 

londonfog

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one example would be in the raising of interest rates..think of it like this say you have a credit score of 720 ( safe bet with investors)..but then it gets lowered to 600 yes you will still may be able to get loans ( some will not in this economy ) but not at those lower interest rates that you would get with a 700+...
 

jeff f

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Forgive me for being a dummy, but could someone who knows about this please explain to me why this is a bad thing?

is this a joke?

they are saying if we borrow money, we are less likely to be able to pay it back.

so if you have a bunch of money and want to invest it, do you loan it to the bum on the corner who has never paid anyone back, or do you loan it to donald trump where you usually get your money back with a nice little gain?

we arent bums yet, but we are getting there.....
 

mame

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Interest rates are very low right now, so hopefully the impact of S&P's downgrade is minimal (moody's and others still have us at AAA, right?).

Blame the Tea Party; If they allowed Beohner to accept Obama's "grand bargain" the deficit reduction would've made it over the ARBITRARY(but that's a whole different argument) mark of $4 trillion and we would've averted a downgrade. That's right BLAME THE FUCKING EXTREMIST, NO COMPROMISE DICKS

BLAME THE FUCKING TEA PARTY
 

jeff f

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Interest rates are very low right now, so hopefully the impact of S&P's downgrade is minimal (moody's and others still have us at AAA, right?).

Blame the Tea Party; If they allowed Beohner to accept Obama's "grand bargain" the deficit reduction would've made it over the ARBITRARY(but that's a whole different argument) mark of $4 trillion and we would've averted a downgrade. That's right BLAME THE FUCKING EXTREMIST, NO COMPROMISE DICKS

BLAME THE FUCKING TEA PARTY

thats funny. they downgraded us cuz we didnt owe enough money? is that what it was? or were they lying when they said the deficits are too high?

or maybe they were lying when they said we didnt cut enough of the deficit? maybe that was it?

you redistributionists are hard to follow.
 

Darrin

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That's right BLAME THE FUCKING EXTREMIST, NO COMPROMISE DICKS
They weren't elected to compromise. Why compromise if you know you're right about something? What's so extreme about getting this out of control spending under control? It's not like we were going to default anyway. We take in more than enough taxes every month to take care of the debt payment, social security, Dept. of Defense, Medicare and Medicaid. With some left over.
 

jdmcwestevo

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is this a joke?

they are saying if we borrow money, we are less likely to be able to pay it back.

so if you have a bunch of money and want to invest it, do you loan it to the bum on the corner who has never paid anyone back, or do you loan it to donald trump where you usually get your money back with a nice little gain?

we arent bums yet, but we are getting there.....
i wouldnt lend a man money who has filed for bankrupcy like 5 times lol
 

jdmcwestevo

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the bottom line is we need to cut off all this outsourcing and importing we need to bring all manufactuering back onto US soil stop giving all our work to china. ever since bush signed that bill the economy has gone down the shitter. obama is a fucking joke so that didn't help anything either. that is the real fucking issue we need to keep all our money in house instead of paying it to foreign powers ESPECIALLY when they want to kill us haha
 

Stoney McFried

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Nope. I get the gist of it, I was just looking for specifics.
is this a joke?

they are saying if we borrow money, we are less likely to be able to pay it back.

so if you have a bunch of money and want to invest it, do you loan it to the bum on the corner who has never paid anyone back, or do you loan it to donald trump where you usually get your money back with a nice little gain?

we arent bums yet, but we are getting there.....
 

UncleBuck

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Why compromise if you know you're right about something?
that would imply that they are onto a good idea by demanding massive spending cuts during a time of high unemployment and a weak economy.

you find me a majority of non-partisan economists who believe that is a good idea, and i will send you a free ounce :lol:
 

Charlie Ventura

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that would imply that they are onto a good idea by demanding massive spending cuts during a time of high unemployment and a weak economy.

you find me a majority of non-partisan economists who believe that is a good idea, and i will send you a free ounce :lol:


How good are you at stealthy packing? Tell me how you pack and I'll give you names of plenty of economists from the Austrian School who believe in less government spending and more economic liberty for the private sector. Not that I can use that ounce, but I'd like to take it off of you just the same. :lol:

 

maylee

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It is impossible for the USA to default. We can print our own money.
I agree we have no shortage of money, but the problem is the unwillingness to pay due to our political dramas.

It is like you loaned money to a neighbor, you can see they have a big pile of money bigger than their house. Now they have been paying like clockwork for decades. Then one day they start infighting and say they are going to default. You can see the pile of money is bigger than ever but they keep arguing amongst themselves saying they are broke and are going to default. Then at the very last possible minute they say we will pay. You know the I'm broke story is a bunch of bullshit but still they were threatening to stiff you on their loan payments. Hence you are a bit more nervous about your neighbor's willingness to pay on there debts, you don't trust them as much as you did before. That is what has happened with the US credit downgrade.

Right now the stock market has been tanking hard, so far we have lost about 1/4 of the gains since the market bottomed out in 2009. I don't know how more more it will go down. It can be a money making opportunity for your 401K. You can add as much money as is humanly possible at this time, you are buying at a discount. If this continues I would even consider getting a loan to put into your 401K if you don't have the cash. When you think the stock market has hit bottom you can switch to the highest beta fund you can find.
 

NoDrama

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I agree we have no shortage of money, but the problem is the unwillingness to pay due to our political dramas.

It is like you loaned money to a neighbor, you can see they have a big pile of money bigger than their house. Now they have been paying like clockwork for decades. Then one day they start infighting and say they are going to default. You can see the pile of money is bigger than ever but they keep arguing amongst themselves saying they are broke and are going to default. Then at the very last possible minute they say we will pay. You know the I'm broke story is a bunch of bullshit but still they were threatening to stiff you on their loan payments. Hence you are a bit more nervous about your neighbor's willingness to pay on there debts, you don't trust them as much as you did before. That is what has happened with the US credit downgrade.

Right now the stock market has been tanking hard, so far we have lost about 1/4 of the gains since the market bottomed out in 2009. I don't know how more more it will go down. It can be a money making opportunity for your 401K. You can add as much money as is humanly possible at this time, you are buying at a discount. If this continues I would even consider getting a loan to put into your 401K if you don't have the cash. When you think the stock market has hit bottom you can switch to the highest beta fund you can find.
Its not like you loaned your neighbor anything, its way more complicated than that, for every dollar we print dilutes the value of all the other dollars that exist. Other countries are forced to hoard US dollars so they can buy oil from the OPEC countries. OPEC oil is only sold in US Dollars, ONLY!!!! That is what makes our dollar the reserve currency. When other countries see the holdings of their US Dollars able to buy less and less they start to get worried. Some countries hold a shit load of dollars. Japan, Germany, China are the big three, of course not even close to what the Fed owns, but plenty none the less. If anyone of them should decide to divest of all their dollars, well you can kiss the value of your 401K goodbye.

Something like this could happen...

[video=youtube;2N8gJSMoOJc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8gJSMoOJc[/video]
 

maylee

Member
No I don't think that is going to happen, I don't see anything remotely like that happening. If anything we are in a deflationary phase.

How about something more libertarian, like actionable ideas to increase your own personal wealth through this mess?
 

Prefontaine

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that would imply that they are onto a good idea by demanding massive spending cuts during a time of high unemployment and a weak economy.

you find me a majority of non-partisan economists who believe that is a good idea, and i will send you a free ounce :lol:
Um just go to any economics class and ask them if reducing your spending is a good way to free up cash to pay back your debt
 
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