Russians running yearslong Trolling operation to project their blame onto Ukraine.

BudmanTX

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yeah he made the famous "Feindflug" intending to make peace with the western forces but the English just took him into custody.
and then held him till the nuremburg trial, and then sent to prison for the rest of his life, untill ultimatly hanging himself at the age 93, after that the prison was demolished.......things didn't work out to well for the Deputy Führer did it......
 

hanimmal

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yep...

for me was, as soon as i saw Kremlin Spokesman...i went :shock:

now if i saw Ukraine Spokesman.woman.......prolly would be a little different....

and as far as i know, Ukrainian Force technically we told to stand down and not fire back cause they were warned of false flag ops.....
The Putin backed Ukrainian rebels are stepping the effort to give Putin his Russian manufactured excuse to attack. Guess we are going to see those sanctions the way it is looking.

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KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Spiking tensions in eastern Ukraine on Friday aggravated Western fears of a Russian invasion and a new war in Europe, with a humanitarian convoy hit by shelling and pro-Russian rebels evacuating civilians from the conflict zone. A strong explosion hit the eastern city of Donetsk.

The Kremlin declared massive nuclear drills to flex its military muscle, and President Vladimir Putin pledged to protect Russia’s national interests against what it sees as encroaching Western threats. U.S. and European leaders, meanwhile, grasped for ways to keep the peace and Europe’s post-Cold War security order.

While Putin held out the possibility of diplomacy, a cascade of developments this week have have further exacerbated East-West tensions and fueled war worries. This week’s actions have fed those concerns: U.S. and European officials, focused on an estimated 150,000 Russian troops posted around Ukraine’s borders, warn the long-simmering separatist conflict in eastern Ukraine could provide the spark for a broader attack.

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Vice President Kamala Harris said the U.S. still hopes Russia will de-escalate but is ready to hit it with tough sanctions in case of an attack. U.S. leaders this week issued their most dire warnings yet that Moscow could order an invasion of Ukraine any day.

“We remain, of course, open to and desirous of diplomacy ... but we are also committed, if Russia takes aggressive action, to ensure there will be severe consequence,” Harris said at the annual Munich Security Conference.

While Russia snubbed this year’s conference, lines of communication remain open: The U.S. and Russian defense chiefs spoke Friday, and U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin called for de-escalation, the return of Russian forces surrounding Ukraine to their home bases, and a diplomatic resolution, according to the Pentagon. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov agreed to meet next week.

Immediate worries focused on eastern Ukraine, where Ukrainian forces have been fighting pro-Russia rebels since 2014 in a conflict that has killed some 14,000 people.

A strong explosion was reported Friday in the center of the city of Donetsk, according to the rebel news agency DAN and an Associated Press stringer there. There were no immediate details on casualties or where it took place.

Separatists in the Luhansk and Donetsk regions that form Ukraine’s industrial heartland called the Donbas announced they are evacuating civilians to Russia starting Friday afternoon. The announcement appeared to be part of Moscow’s efforts to counter Western warnings of a Russian invasion, and paint Ukraine as the aggressor instead.

Denis Pushilin, head of the Donetsk rebel government, said women, children and the elderly will be evacuated first, and that Russia has prepared facilities for them. Pushilin alleged in a video statement that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy was going to order an imminent offensive in the area.

Shortly after his statement, authorities began moving children from an orphanage in Donetsk, and other residents boarded buses for Russia. Long lines formed at gas stations as more people prepared to leave on their own.

Putin ordered his emergencies minister to fly to the Rostov region bordering Ukraine to help organize the exodus and ordered the government to offer a payment of 10,000 rubles (about $130) to each evacuee, equivalent to about half of an average monthly salary in the war-ravaged Donbas.

Ukraine denied planning any offensive, with Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba saying that “Ukraine does not conduct or plan any such actions in the Donbas.”

“We are fully committed to diplomatic conflict resolution only,” he tweeted.

Around the volatile line of contact, a UNCHR convoy came under rebel shelling in the Luhansk region, Ukraine’s military chief said. No casualties were reported. Rebels denied involvement and accused Ukraine of staging a provocation.

Separatist authorities reported more shelling by Ukrainian forces along the line. Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the situation is “potentially very dangerous.” A surge of shelling Thursday tore through the walls of a kindergarten, injuring two, and basic communications were disrupted. Both sides accused each other of opening fire.

U.S. and European officials were on high alert for any Russian attempts at a so-called false-flag operation, according to a Western official familiar with intelligence findings. Ukrainian government officials shared intelligence with allies that suggested the Russians might try to shell the areas in the Luhansk region controlled by separatists as part of an effort to create a false reason to take military action, according to the official who was not authorized to comment publicly.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said the threat to global security is “more complex and probably higher” than during the Cold War. He told the Munich conference that a small mistake or miscommunication between major powers could have catastrophic consequences.

While Russia announced this week it is pulling back forces from vast military exercises that had sparked fears of an invasion, U.S. officials have said they see no sign of a pullback — and instead saw more troops moving toward the border with Ukraine.

Austin said the U.S. believes Russia could launch an attack “any time.”

The Kremlin sent a reminder to the world of its nuclear might, announcing drills of its nuclear forces for the weekend. Putin will monitor the sweeping exercise Saturday that will involve multiple practice missile launches.

The move overshadowed Russian offers of continued diplomacy to defuse the Ukraine crisis.

While the Kremlin insists it has no plans to invade, it has urged the West to keep Ukraine out of NATO and roll back alliance forces from Eastern Europe — demands roundly rejected by Western allies.

Asked about Western warnings of a possible Russian invasion on Wednesday that didn’t materialize, Putin said, “Frankly, I’m not paying attention to that. There are so many false claims, and constantly reacting to them is more trouble than it’s worth.”

“We are doing what we consider necessary and will keep doing so,” he said. “We have clear and precise goals conforming to national interests.”

Putin reaffirmed that Russia was open for dialogue on confidence-building measures with the West on condition that they will be discussed in conjunction with Moscow’s main security demands.

He also urged Ukrainian authorities to implement a 2015 peace deal for eastern Ukraine that was brokered by France and Germany, adding that “regrettably, we are now seeing the exacerbation of the situation in Donbas.”

NATO allies are also flexing their might, bolstering military forces around Eastern Europe, but insist the actions are purely defensive and to show unity in the face of Russian threats.

The U.S. announced the $6 billion sale of 250 tanks to Poland, a NATO member that has been occupied or attacked by Russia in the past. Announcing the deal, Austin said Russia’s military buildup had only reinvigorated NATO instead of cowing it, as Moscow had hoped.

World leaders meeting in Munich warned that Europe’s security balance is under threat. German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said the situation is “calling into question the basic principles of the European peace order.”

Biden planned to speak by phone Friday with trans-Atlantic leaders about the crisis and continued efforts at deterrence and diplomacy, and to give a speech about the situation.

Blinken revealed some conclusions of U.S. intelligence in Thursday’s speech at the U.N. Security Council, warning that Russia could create a false pretext for an invasion with a trumped-up terrorist bombing inside Russia, a staged drone strike, or a fake or real chemical attack.
 

BudmanTX

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The Putin backed Ukrainian rebels are stepping the effort to give Putin his Russian manufactured excuse to attack. Guess we are going to see those sanctions the way it is looking.

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to me this is another false flag,i have a feeling that the people on the ground are doing this, especially from the russian side of the ball

why? this right here, and it's in the article too...

"Ukraine denied planning any offensive, with Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba saying that “Ukraine does not conduct or plan any such actions in the Donbas.”

“We are fully committed to diplomatic conflict resolution only,” he tweeted."
 

BudmanTX

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and here is another false flag op

Ukraine and US say vehicle explosion in separatist-controlled city was staged

CNN a few minutes ago
 

BudmanTX

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and also on CNN

Separately, the Ukraine foreign ministry said:
"Ukrainian nationals reside on both sides of the contact line. Their peace, security and well-being are an absolute priority for Ukraine.
Allegations that the Ukrainian government intends to launch an offensive operation in the temporarily occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions are divorced from reality.
Ukraine is also not conducting or planning any sabotage acts in Donbas.
We categorically reject the attempts of Russia to aggravate the already tense security situation. We remain firmly committed to politico-diplomatic settlement and, together with our partners, maximise efforts to reduce the tension and keep the situation in line with diplomatic dialogue.
In contrast, we observe the Russian Federation unfolding its campaign to disseminate massive disinformation, increasing shelling of Ukrainian positions and civilian infrastructure, using the weapons banned by the Minsk Agreements, and escalating the security situation."
 

hanimmal

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to me this is another false flag,i have a feeling that the people on the ground are doing this, especially from the russian side of the ball

why? this right here, and it's in the article too...

"Ukraine denied planning any offensive, with Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba saying that “Ukraine does not conduct or plan any such actions in the Donbas.”

“We are fully committed to diplomatic conflict resolution only,” he tweeted."
Yeah nonstop contrived propaganda aimed to give Putin some pretext into continuing his attack on Ukraine.

Putin loses the ability to pretend like he is not lying when he has been doing exactly what American intel has been warning the world that he was going to do.
 

BudmanTX

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Yeah nonstop contrived propaganda aimed to give Putin some pretext into continuing his attack on Ukraine.

Putin loses the ability to pretend like he is not lying when he has been doing exactly what American intel has been warning the world that he was going to do.
yep....and from the looks of it, it's getting worse....like that story from ABC...they don't even believe it
 

hanimmal

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yep....and from the looks of it, it's getting worse....like that story from ABC...they don't even believe it
I haven't seen that one yet.

Biden did just have a presser though that sounds like he is pretty convinced that Putin is going to attack Ukraine (again) too.

 

BudmanTX

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I haven't seen that one yet.

Biden did just have a presser though that sounds like he is pretty convinced that Putin is going to attack Ukraine (again) too.

Biden think Putin has made up his mind to invade. Could be. Putin is trying everything in the misinfo play book he can right now, to the little spat, to the car bomb, to saying there are mass graves.....Putin is also hitting with GRU as well in a couple of reports with cyber hacks to the banks and other institutions.....if he does, he doesn't realize that Ukraine itself has 100,000+ troops and it can conscibe about a million more really quick if needed
 

hanimmal

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Biden think Putin has made up his mind to invade. Could be. Putin is trying everything in the misinfo play book he can right now, to the little spat, to the car bomb, to saying there are mass graves.....Putin is also hitting with GRU as well in a couple of reports with cyber hacks to the banks and other institutions.....if he does, he doesn't realize that Ukraine itself has 100,000+ troops and it can conscibe about a million more really quick if needed
It will not end pretty if Putin decides to attack.

You are right though, he has thrown everything but the kitchen sink at this, and it is the culmination of his shadow world war he has been conducting since he invaded Georgia in 2008. You have to figure he knows that it is not going to be easier for him to continue to get away with attacking our citizens, so if he is going to attack it is not going to get easier.
 

BudmanTX

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It will not end pretty if Putin decides to attack.

You are right though, he has thrown everything but the kitchen sink at this, and it is the culmination of his shadow world war he has been conducting since he invaded Georgia in 2008. You have to figure he knows that it is not going to be easier for him to continue to get away with attacking our citizens, so if he is going to attack it is not going to get easier.
it isn't gonna be pretty at all.......Putin i think is going after the old SSR cities in my view. Hitler knew this, the only way to take out russia was to take out the 5 major cities........one is leningrad, then moscow, then minsk (which putin got with firing a shot), stalingrad, and keiv (where is that, Ukraine), Hitler knew that if he took those cities the USSR at the time would fall.......now lets go back to the fall of the USSR, minsk is free now, and kiev is free.....he still has the other 3.....now for Putins idea of bringing the USSR back together he needs the others 2, he's got one....and now he's risking will all out war for Kiev...
 

hanimmal

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it isn't gonna be pretty at all.......Putin i think is going after the old SSR cities in my view. Hitler knew this, the only way to take out russia was to take out the 5 major cities........one is leningrad, then moscow, then minsk (which putin got with firing a shot), stalingrad, and keiv (where is that, Ukraine), Hitler knew that if he took those cities the USSR at the time would fall.......now lets go back to the fall of the USSR, minsk is free now, and kiev is free.....he still has the other 3.....now for Putins idea of bringing the USSR back together he needs the others 2, he's got one....and now he's risking will all out war for Kiev...
Yeah as soon as those terrorists Putin backs started shelling a kindergarten it looked bad.

My guess (bullshiting by me) is he wants that entire coast on the Sea of Azov.
 

BudmanTX

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Yeah as soon as those terrorists Putin backs started shelling a kindergarten it looked bad.

My guess (bullshiting by me) is he wants that entire coast on the Sea of Azov.
yeah it does look bad, very bad.......

well it's bout time for me to grab a cold one, and roll one.....it's been a day to say the least....keep me up on the chess match
 
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