Ron Paul Revolution
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medicineman
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7xstall
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Ron Paul is the only real republican running for president!
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who's the only candidate from either party not to take one cent from powerful special interests?
Ron Paul 2008 — Hope for America
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only need about 1200 more Constitution loving Americans to donate by tomorrow.
Ron Paul 2008 — Hope for America
who's the only candidate from either party not to take one cent from powerful special interests?
Ron Paul 2008 — Hope for America
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medicineman
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You know, I think you are scaring away voters with that real Republican stuff, it certainly scares me and I like most of what Paul stands for. I'd like to believe he is only in the Republican party because he knows independents don't have a chance. Please don't think I would vote for him because of his republican affiliation, just the opposite. I'd be much more inclined to lend him my vote if he were an independent. the republican party of late has been a very disturbing influence on the American agenda, and I want no part of it. I'm also very dissapointed with the Democrats, gutless sponges that only exist to further their own interests. It is the Honesty of Paul that attracts me, although his privatization scares the hell out of me. There are certain things that need to be controlled by a central government, and I believe he would destroy that entity. Maybe for a 30 something, this would work, But for us older folks, it scares the be-Jesus out of us.
Why would it scare off old folks? He's already committed to cut the deficit and continue to fund social programs by changing the foreign policy and spending the money we use to prop up a world empire of army divisions on health care. That's Paul's plan. So take 'er easy...
medicineman
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I'd surely like to see his health and welfare plans before lending him my vote. When your living on social security, you get kind of touchy when a candidate says he'd like to privatize everything. He'd do so much better with seniors if he laid out a comprehensive social agenda that includede health care and securing social security for a long time.
Besides, privatizing certain areas of the government is not wholesome for the country. What about all the watchdog agencies that try and keep the air and water clean, the ones that try and make air travel safe, regulators of safety issues, and the FDA etc.
Not that they are doing much now that Bush has pulled a huge chunk of funding away from them, but we need some oversight of the private sector as we know they are about one thing, the bottom line. They could care less about the workers and like that mine that just claimed 6 mens lives, their safety,. it's all about the duckets.
7xstall
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as i've said before, he won't rip everything part. he's not a fool. things have to be carefully disassembled and put back together the right way, which hardly ever involves the government as anything more than oversight.
if people are afraid of a real republican then so be it, those are the hard-core socialists anyway... they would never vote for individual liberty, no matter what.
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I would not, under any case, and nor would Ron Paul or 7x, make the mistake of conflating free market capitalism with cronyism or corporatism. There is a difference between a true free market and what is paraded as one here in the US.
As regards the environment, Paul has already repeatedly stated that the federal government could be reduced by recognizing the implicit right of property holders not to be damaged by the pollution of their neighbors. The question under this model is not how pollution could be reduced through a government agency, but how it would ever be tolerated in the first place, as it violates the rights of every property owner if their land (and air) has been affected malevolently.
Med, I think that a perfect way of getting into a real conservative's mind is to equate the fiasco in iraq with the financial fiasco we face based on the "entitlements" the government has promised. Should we continue to have faith that the government can take care of us? Is it really just a question of the right strategy in Iraq (or domestically), or is it fundamentally flawed and does our [federal gov't's] presence simply promote all of the wrong things: corruption, greed, degrading conditions? There could be no room for a company to reward their executives for lowering services if they weren't guaranteed money from the government! Government programs promising money, therefore, are usually fraudulent and wasteful. Private companies must be separated from this: you want socialized medicine (and why not, if it works
and 7x wants privitization as he attaches value to his own ability to choose what he wants and to not have to support others. You're point on Paul is right on, however. And he should emphasize that his changes would not happen overnight. He should be targeting, in my opinion, democratic voters and people who think they're liberal because they're against the war by attacking the democratic candidates. That's what a frontrunner does, and he's gotta start being viewed like that if he's gonna win...
medicineman
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So why would he attack democrats? Maybe because if they were really against the war they would not pass a funding bill, yeah it's that simple, you don't have to have 66 votes to override, you just dont send a bill up to the white house, period, and when the old funding bill expires, bingo, they are out of money and must do somethinjg to protect the troops, like bring them home. Make Bush sign a statement that any money sent to fund Iraq could only be used for withdrawel. If you want to stop the war, cut the funding and take the heat. I think most Americans would see that the onus would then be on Bush to bring the troops out of harms way, and if they didn't see it that way then fuck them, they are too stupid to matter. If the idiotic Democrats would grow some Balls, they could turn this around and sweep into the white house in '08'. Sadly, they will continue to dick around untill Dubya is out of office, then the repukes may have a shot. If Paul is the nominee for the repukes I may vote for him, but if that freak judiani is their guy, no fucking way. He is Bush on steroids. I'd vote for a dead democrat first.I would not, under any case, and nor would Ron Paul or 7x, make the mistake of conflating free market capitalism with cronyism or corporatism. There is a difference between a true free market and what is paraded as one here in the US.
As regards the environment, Paul has already repeatedly stated that the federal government could be reduced by recognizing the implicit right of property holders not to be damaged by the pollution of their neighbors. The question under this model is not how pollution could be reduced through a government agency, but how it would ever be tolerated in the first place, as it violates the rights of every property owner if their land (and air) has been affected malevolently.
Med, I think that a perfect way of getting into a real conservative's mind is to equate the fiasco in iraq with the financial fiasco we face based on the "entitlements" the government has promised. Should we continue to have faith that the government can take care of us? Is it really just a question of the right strategy in Iraq (or domestically), or is it fundamentally flawed and does our [federal gov't's] presence simply promote all of the wrong things: corruption, greed, degrading conditions? There could be no room for a company to reward their executives for lowering services if they weren't guaranteed money from the government! Government programs promising money, therefore, are usually fraudulent and wasteful. Private companies must be separated from this: you want socialized medicine (and why not, if it works
You're point on Paul is right on, however. And he should emphasize that his changes would not happen overnight. He should be targeting, in my opinion, democratic voters and people who think they're liberal because they're against the war by attacking the democratic candidates. That's what a frontrunner does, and he's gotta start being viewed like that if he's gonna win...
7xstall
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nice post clekstro, you've nicely summed up a lot of what "real conservatism" is all about.
Ron Paul is the candidate for citizens who are ready to roll up our sleeves and get to work on a very difficult set of tasks that we have to face if we are going to repair 20 years of damage done by the socialist democrats and neo-con republicans whose main concerns are empire building and dynasty creation.
if enough people wake up and pay attention the country can still be saved from the nose dive we're in right now.
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Ron Paul is the candidate for citizens who are ready to roll up our sleeves and get to work on a very difficult set of tasks that we have to face if we are going to repair 20 years of damage done by the socialist democrats and neo-con republicans whose main concerns are empire building and dynasty creation.
if enough people wake up and pay attention the country can still be saved from the nose dive we're in right now.
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medicineman
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7xstall
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let me make this clear for you: there is no one other than Ron Paul that i will vote for. i will not go to vote if he is not on the ballot because there is no other candidate who is worth my vote.
i have been a republican all my life but being in a party doesn't mean i will take the lives that have built this country for granted by "voting against" a dem candidate. if there is no one worth voting for i will not cast my vote just for vanity. imo, people who do that are useless scum and they have no clue what America really is.
also, socialism is corporatism/plutocracy/mercantilism. the name of the corporation is GOVERNMENT. there is no room for individuality in socialism, look at the history of any great nation that has suffered from socialism - ART disappears, everything creative is imported, patents for new inventions cease to be filed. socialism is the ultimate destruction of the individual. libertarianism has nothing to do with centralization of anything except individual liberty.
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medicineman
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7xstall
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yeah, we have an entirely different view on things.
i appreciate liberty, you would rather have equality.
i don't believe the government should be deciding what i need help with or what i don't need help with.
i don't believe that taxes should prop up companies that are paying union employees far more than they are worth.
i believe that corrupt corporations use government "oversight" and other layers of interference as a smokescreen to justify pollution and environmental abuse and to drag out the proper remedy thereof.
i do not believe that there is such a thing as excess profits in a world where people can chose what to buy or not to buy.
i don't believe the government is there to do our bidding, they are there to do their jobs; protect the border, inform the states about threats and interstate crimes, oversee the courts and enforcement of sensible laws. they aren't there to hand out free stuff, that is bribery of the constituency and it should be punished just like any other forms of bribery.
i believe that corporations can best assess for themselves what form of reimbursement for employee services are best, profit sharing or not.
the republican party that i long for is one that embraces Ron Paul for president! it's the only party that values life at all stages and that's enough to keep me on board until something more comprehensive comes along. libertarians don't exist down here...
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i appreciate liberty, you would rather have equality.
i don't believe the government should be deciding what i need help with or what i don't need help with.
i don't believe that taxes should prop up companies that are paying union employees far more than they are worth.
i believe that corrupt corporations use government "oversight" and other layers of interference as a smokescreen to justify pollution and environmental abuse and to drag out the proper remedy thereof.
i do not believe that there is such a thing as excess profits in a world where people can chose what to buy or not to buy.
i don't believe the government is there to do our bidding, they are there to do their jobs; protect the border, inform the states about threats and interstate crimes, oversee the courts and enforcement of sensible laws. they aren't there to hand out free stuff, that is bribery of the constituency and it should be punished just like any other forms of bribery.
i believe that corporations can best assess for themselves what form of reimbursement for employee services are best, profit sharing or not.
the republican party that i long for is one that embraces Ron Paul for president! it's the only party that values life at all stages and that's enough to keep me on board until something more comprehensive comes along. libertarians don't exist down here...
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medicineman
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Hello....... I guess you are a wierd duck, Yeah, it's all about you, the me generation. You wouldn't want to be a part of anything that might actually help other people, just give you your freedom, let the charities take up the slack, yeah right like charities could handle the burdens the government handles every day. They ought to have a special place for weirdos like you, maybe give you guys a state and lots of guns, so when one of the more aggresive assholes wants to take over, you could just shoot them. You ought to be plenty satisfied with the current situatiuon, for that is what this piece of shit government is all about, the rich, the richer and the richest, you'd fit right in, stepping over the bodies on your way to the top. I forgot what a greed monger you really were. All for me, me, me ,me. Oh well. I hope someday you really need someones help. Then you may find your soul. Peace. BTW where is down here? Hell maybe,~LOL~. "The stature of a Nation shall be judged not on how they treated their rich but on how they treated their poor"
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Chrisuperfly
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Does anyone know Ron Paul's stance on the legalization of Marijuana?
Nevermind got it right here.
Libertarian Empire - Ron Paul
Nevermind got it right here.
Libertarian Empire - Ron Paul
7xstall
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medicineman
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Does not individual liberty have the right to organize a union of workers to negotiate with the corporate machine so as to not get left in the dirt? And as far as union workers getting paid too much, are you fucking crazy? That is the only living wage being paid in America, union wages and benefits. Unless you are just a lucky guy and work for one of the few companies that actually care about their employees without a union, (Tell me how many of those you can find) you'll be underpaid for your work. Are there lazy asshole union workers, yes there are. should these guys be able to be fired for poor job performance? Hell yess. I worked Union jobs most of my working life, and I always worked hard and 99% of the guys I worked with did also, were there slackers, a few, but they were eventually fired. What you are proposing is no workers rights, back to the days in the early 20th century where the factory bosses ruled and you had to beg for a days work. where you worked for whatever the factory wanted to pay and a dollar a day was the norm. you couldn't really live on a dollar a day, so you had to either work 2-3 jobs or take up stealing, is that what you propose? I think you are way too Naive and uneducated in the ways of corporate rule. You are probably a guy that has worked hard, had a few breaks and has a decent job,. and thinks everyone else has the same opportunity. Well guess what, you are wrong!surely you jest?
individual liberty, it does have benefits!
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