Ridiculously slow growth

cc2012

cc2012

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He ^^^^ Looks like an old Bond Villain...Bond Bad Guys are Shite nowadays...apart from Casino Royale...He was quite good..
 
Final Phase

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Think of growing as a marathon run. Time is the one factor you can't speed up. You can go 24 hr. round the clock to step up growth. Spend some time now looking at your end goals. Make sure you have the space, ventilation, temp., small fan to use when they get some growth going... Have fun
 
CloudyWeather

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cc2012 said:
Everybody knows something Cam, and everybody starts somewhere init..Have patience and just keep reading what you can, plenty of Info, and some pretty helpful folks on R.I.U.

Give it 6-12 months of Growing, Learning, Growing some more and You will feel a lot more comfortable with the whole thing...though once You really get into it, and have the Basics nailed down, then You will begin to find even more things that you can do with this Plant..I'm still Learning new stuff everyday...everyday..just depends on tha Grower and How far you wanna take things in pursuit of well not even perfection(which I'm a long way from) but just Great Tasting Weed and Good enough Yields to keep You happy...

atb

Don't give up now, once they start getting Bigger you will be "Lovin it" it can be very relaxing and rewarding...
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agreed. I started my first grow maybe a year ago and now on my second which will be my first actual harvest. I have been amazed at how much I learn simply from reading threads like this, and youtube videos and such. obviously hands on experience helps tremendously. but im pretty much a novice grower and I can still teach the basics to someone who does not know anything about it. right now im focusing my attention on organic supplements, and growing techniques, and eventually I will be very excited to learn about organic teas! i skimmed all that and it looks very interesting and fun. hoping to try out super-cropping or some other various tech for my later-on indoor grows. Hope you all stay High, Happy, and Healthy. and never stop learning! :)
 
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Camo Hat said:
When my plants dry, I'm going to give them a shot of Voo Doo juice. How's that sound ?
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Advanced Nutrients doesn't get a lot of respect around here due to their 3-dimensional product "lineup" and opacity of information. But, a lot of people use AN and are happy. (So, be prepared for trolling and multi-page flame wars erupting.).

The premise of feeding your soil biology is good. However, there's something to say about keeping it simple and feeding your Jack's all the way through without any supplements. Do that 2-3 times and you'll be in a good position to assess how much supplements help (and whether themed products like AN are worth the expense compared to fulvic/humic products that aren't cannabis-specific).

It's common for new growers to read about supplements and add a little of this or that, and never know how that stuff's helping (or not) because they don't have anything to compare to.

Less can be more. But, feeding the soil biology isn't the most speculative supplement you could use.
 
Camo Hat

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az2000 said:
Advanced Nutrients doesn't get a lot of respect around here due to their 3-dimensional product "lineup" and opacity of information. But, a lot of people use AN and are happy. (So, be prepared for trolling and multi-page flame wars erupting.).

The premise of feeding your soil biology is good. However, there's something to say about keeping it simple and feeding your Jack's all the way through without any supplements. Do that 2-3 times and you'll be in a good position to assess how much supplements help (and whether themed products like AN are worth the expense compared to fulvic/humic products that aren't cannabis-specific).

It's common for new growers to read about supplements and add a little of this or that, and never know how that stuff's helping (or not) because they don't have anything to compare to.

Less can be more. But, feeding the soil biology isn't the most speculative supplement you could use.
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Flame wars are for internet tough guys. I don't bother with such silliness.

I appreciate your sensible advice az2000. I'll do some experimenting.
 
Dr. Who

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cc2012 said:
Sorry its a Copy and Paste, been looking for the other Info I have on Plants and Light Cycles and Rest(dark/night) Periods...

all Creds to > SmokeyMacPot 420Member

To simplify things, lets use an analogy. Try to think of a plant as a building… one constantly under construction. The plant needs raw materials, (fertilizers and water), and energy (light) in order to “build itself”. The raw materials are the “bricks and mortar” of the building. The energy is the workers, vehicles and power tools used to assemble the building.

The Plant is capable of storing some raw materials and some energy for use later, but the amount is limited...think of a warehouse and a battery.

* During the day, (Lights ON) the plant is collecting and storing light energy, and is using and storing raw materials. The plant is stockpiling raw material, and is charging it’s batteries… it is ALSO using raw materials and using the energy it is collecting. It’s building itself, literally putting itself together.

During the day however, the plant is not as efficient at building itself, as it is at night (lights OFF.) It can build itself, but not as quickly.

* While the lights are OFF, the plant is using energy and raw materials to build itself…. the plant is more efficiently using the raw materials that it stored during the day. The plant is better at transporting and assembling the raw materials.

The bad news: since there is no light energy, the plant must rely on energy it stored while the lights were ON (its stored energy). (Essentially, the plant is running on batteries, and using raw material from the warehouse.)

There is no light energy to collect. Since the plant needs energy to absorb more raw materials, it is easier for the plant to use raw materials that it stored during the day than it is to absorb raw materials through its roots.

* Although the plant IS capable of “doing it all” with the lights on, (Collect, store and use energy & raw materials) it does a better job of actually doing the work (using the energy and raw material) while the lights are out. During the dark however, it relies solely on its limited supply of stored energy and stored raw material.

One last thing to remember is the fact that a plant will always strive to maintain a balance between the size of its roots and the size of its canopy (Leaf mass.) The roots must be big enough to supply as much raw materials as the canopy can use, and the canopy must be big enough to provide the energy required to store those raw materials….

atb
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Ding, Ding, Ding,,,,,,Give that man a cigar!
 
Dr. Who

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Alexander Supertramp said:
Yes annuals do appreciate a dark period in its daily light cycle. But to say the dark/lights off time promotes roots growth is just ridiculous. The more natural light cycle promotes more overall benefits, both above and down below...
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rkymtnman said:
6 hours of dark is 25% less the plants could be growing. and dark period has nothing to do with roots.
don't believe me, try 2 plants under 18/6 and 24/0 and let me know what happens. i've done it and that's why i do 24/0.
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These are rather old findings/opinions that have been bashed on the rocks of reality!! 30 years of misinformation!

Ever hear of Joe Pietri ? (Look him up on facebook. His findings are NOW taught in 1st year Horticulture 101 across the nation.) Dennis Ford? He's a quote from Mr. Ford "I’ve found that for veg growth there are the two camps of 18/6 and 24/0 (18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness, this is not how 12/1 works though, that will be explained below). The fact is that all plants need a darkness period to process the days energy into food and growth. Therefore your doing yourself absolutely no favors using a 24/0 for anything other than cloning. All you have to do is look outside, there are only 2 places on earth that ever get 24 hour light at any point, and you aren’t going to find ANYTHING growing there. Cloning of course is not of nature, we are tricking nature, so we put the plant into a constant light period to facilitate this. We’ll talk a lot more about cloning someday in another post. 18/6 works on the other hand, but the truth is your wasting light. Its time to wake up! Its time to trick nature again!"

read the whole thing here
http://www.theweedblog.com/how-to-use-the-121-lighting-method-for-efficient-marijuana-cultivation/

rkymtnman said:
yeah, az2k, it's called gas light breaking something or other. it wasn't done for weed but i think flowers a long time ago. they would use a reddish light or icandescent for an hour during the dark cycle. it would start/keep the plant producing the flowering hormone and be ready to flower at a moments notice so to speak. never tried it but i have read some stuff on it from how it was invented and why it worked etc.

i get much closer internodal spacing using 24/0 and i cut my veg time a week in most cases vs 18/6. to each his own.
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Horse shit....tried that years ago! I get better node space with less lights on time!!!

No, that's not exactly what "gas light" method is..The gas light routine LED to the discovery of photoperiodic control in plants..

Now as for shorter flowering light times.......
Joe P is the 12-1 guru and newer photoperiodic testing of his has lead to some interesting finds. He states in the April issue in Skunk mag.
"My group on Facebook Joe Pierti advanced growing techniques followed my experimentation (In relation to shorter flowering lights on times...He was down to 8/16 and getting great results)."

"At this point I furthered my research into photoperiodic control when I came across this paper:"

"Since the dawn of time, farmers have understood the role of light in plant growth: it wasn't until the beginning of the 20th century that we began to understand the importance of darkness. In 1913, the French graduate student Julien Tournois discovered that hops and hemp grown under glass (old term for greenhouse growing) would flower precociously in winter. He also observed that the plants would flower most rapidly when allowed only 6 hours of daylight."

Well, he go's on in the piece to describe why 12-1 works for veg better and says that HIS only grow bible is "Nelsons green house guide"....I must say, it has be a great help to me too......READ IT......chapter 12.....

I get so tired of ALL of you 24/0 suedo science misanthropes!!!!

24/0 is bunk

actual science rules
 
AlGore

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Camo Hat said:
Here are some new photos. Plants are healthy but small.View attachment 3381115
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Looking like they are growing faster. If I had to guess from the pics I'd say they look 1-2 weeks old. Btw, they are still to small for HID imho.

Also, you see how they look heavy or droopy? That makes me think they are a lil over-watered, but overall look healthy. If you let it dry out a lil they will prob start to point up more.

Btw, 70s during the day and 60s at night is perfect for larger plants, the small guys like it a lil warmer. Plus your soil is prob a lil cold when its more wet.

I only skimmed over all the arguing. I run my T5s for my moms and clones and seedlings at 20/4. What you bitches gotta say about that? lol.
 
Camo Hat

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AlGore said:
Looking like they are growing faster. If I had to guess from the pics I'd say they look 1-2 weeks old. Btw, they are still to small for HID imho.

Also, you see how they look heavy or droopy? That makes me think they are a lil over-watered, but overall look healthy. If you let it dry out a lil they will prob start to point up more.

Btw, 70s during the day and 60s at night is perfect for larger plants, the small guys like it a lil warmer. Plus your soil is prob a lil cold when its more wet.

I only skimmed over all the arguing. I run my T5s for my moms and clones and seedlings at 20/4. What you bitches gotta say about that? lol.
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I'm not putting them under HID just yet.

I let them dry out well and gave them a very small drink with a bit of "SUPERthrive" in it. No other nutes.

I think it's a multifaceted problem. Some over-watering early on and cool soil.

My big lights arrived today and I'll get them going when the plants get going.

Thanks Mister Gore
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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Dr. Who said:
These are rather old findings/opinions that have been bashed on the rocks of reality!! 30 years of misinformation!

Ever hear of Joe Pietri ? (Look him up on facebook. His findings are NOW taught in 1st year Horticulture 101 across the nation.) Dennis Ford? He's a quote from Mr. Ford "I’ve found that for veg growth there are the two camps of 18/6 and 24/0 (18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness, this is not how 12/1 works though, that will be explained below). The fact is that all plants need a darkness period to process the days energy into food and growth. Therefore your doing yourself absolutely no favors using a 24/0 for anything other than cloning. All you have to do is look outside, there are only 2 places on earth that ever get 24 hour light at any point, and you aren’t going to find ANYTHING growing there. Cloning of course is not of nature, we are tricking nature, so we put the plant into a constant light period to facilitate this. We’ll talk a lot more about cloning someday in another post. 18/6 works on the other hand, but the truth is your wasting light. Its time to wake up! Its time to trick nature again!"

read the whole thing here
http://www.theweedblog.com/how-to-use-the-121-lighting-method-for-efficient-marijuana-cultivation/



Horse shit....tried that years ago! I get better node space with less lights on time!!!

No, that's not exactly what "gas light" method is..The gas light routine LED to the discovery of photoperiodic control in plants..

Now as for shorter flowering light times.......
Joe P is the 12-1 guru and newer photoperiodic testing of his has lead to some interesting finds. He states in the April issue in Skunk mag.
"My group on Facebook Joe Pierti advanced growing techniques followed my experimentation (In relation to shorter flowering lights on times...He was down to 8/16 and getting great results)."

"At this point I furthered my research into photoperiodic control when I came across this paper:"

"Since the dawn of time, farmers have understood the role of light in plant growth: it wasn't until the beginning of the 20th century that we began to understand the importance of darkness. In 1913, the French graduate student Julien Tournois discovered that hops and hemp grown under glass (old term for greenhouse growing) would flower precociously in winter. He also observed that the plants would flower most rapidly when allowed only 6 hours of daylight."

Well, he go's on in the piece to describe why 12-1 works for veg better and says that HIS only grow bible is "Nelsons green house guide"....I must say, it has be a great help to me too......READ IT......chapter 12.....

I get so tired of ALL of you 24/0 suedo science misanthropes!!!!

24/0 is bunk

actual science rules
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this is what i found about joe pietri:
This is an odd interaction with a DEA officer by a guy who was using an alias name at a debate at the U. of Miami back in 1995. He used the name Konsupsa and now goes by the name Joe Peitri and is sitting next to the southeast quadrant leader of the DEA in 1995.

You be the judge, you will see in the first 20 seconds of speaking the police officer touches him on the arm and tells him what to say by telling him, "No, I do not want to do that.", which Joe literally repeats and then like a good dog, does that he is told.

The point of bringing a radical hippie, who does not even use his real name, to a debate such as this, is to discredit the marijuana movement. By controlling both the the thesis and the anti-thesis of the debate, the DEA agent controlled practically the entire evening's dialogue. Absolutely brilliant, kudos to the governments billion-dollar war machine for coming up with such wonderful ways of denying its citizens a truthful debate on an important subject.

This video was taken in March of 1995 and Joe was hiding behind an alias because he was, according to his own book that was released six years later in 2001, unable to smuggle hashish anymore because of his interactions with the DEA in the early 90s.

Instead of going to prison, Joe became part of the government's propaganda machine.

And I still can't find the name of any textbook that Mr. Pietri wrote for Hort 101.

Seems like he's a narc for the DEA to me. Follow along as you wish....
 
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Dr. Who

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Mr. rkymtnman; I challenge YOU to show me where in ANY Hort. text OR posted college paper. The actual horticultural benefits of a 24/0 lighting regimen......

Please enlighten us as we all want so to make our crop faster and better at LOWER overall cost........24/0 does NOT make the cost to benefit ratio in any REAL world growth practice. SCIENCE is the challenge, not who carries the message !!!

As for J.P., he still writes contribution piece's for High Times, Skunk and a host of ad hock local MM rags......You fear him if you like. I don't.....His testing of theory's ARE part of every 101 Hort class across the nation. Ed, Jorge, Greg G, and a host of others do not speak the gospel. Pay attention, they change their (on some subjects) minds faster then you can read their latest book.

The bottom line is that 24/0 does not have viable, cost effective benefits in growing anything. Let alone our crop of choice.

I guess that after time things build up in you and you get to the point where you must comment on it......I have reached mine.

The debate on 24/0 should be put to rest. Giving out old beliefs proven wrong to a crowd of those simply trying to learn ,,,,, sad, on many levels....

Good day
 
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