Reputable breeders

Jogro said:

Just to be clear, there is a significant difference between good breeders and houses that sell good ceeds (but don't necessarily breed or stabilize them). Unstable lines can still make great plants, they just may not all look the same, and they may not be suitable for further breeding.

Reputable top "old school" breeders include: Shantibaba (of Mr. Nice ceeds), DJ Short (creator of the famous Blueberry strain), and Sam the Skunkman (for his work on the original Skunk #1, and others). All of these put out (or have put out) inbred stable lines.

Serious seeds has multiple excellent inbred stable lines, including AK47, Bubblegum, etc.

Sannie and the breeders he works with have a lot of good lines in their lineup, though many aren't really stabilized. In fairness to him, he does indicate which are and which aren't, and his reputation as a businessman is absolutely stellar.

As as above, there are any number of other houses that offer great ceeds, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are great breeders or the lines are stable.

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Not only does Sannie and friends tell you which arent stable, but they can give you a pretty good break-down and description of what phenos to expect and which to look for, with grow information on each and all of them. They arent just f1's tossed together and sent out the door. They grow out alot of their f1s to see if they are going to retain what they are going after.

Paradise seeds turned out for me to be a total crap similar to GreenHouseSeeds...Try Dinafem, you can't go wrong with them. I had also great results with Cali Connection, OGRascal, GageGreenGroup, DNA, Reserva, Rare Dankness, Karma genetics, Connoiseur gens, House of Funk and last but not least Hazeman seeds.
im sure there will be more..

mmmh i forgot BOG and tomm hill!!!

TGA Subcool, Bodhi seeds, Hazeman seeds, seedism, gage green genetics, sin city, resin seeds, jaws seeds, madfarmer genetics, ultra genetics, irie vibe seeds, sick meds, exotic genetics, gorilla grower, and alpine seeds.

all the seedism seeds and TGA seeds are very aggressive and easy to grow indoor and are top notch.

cannacopia, DNA, reserva privada, cali connection, rare dankness, emerald triangle, sin city seeds are all great. always find multiple keepers in every pack. hardest part is the fact that i always wanna keep every pheno even if there's no room.

Couldn't help but notice someone said TGA....sorry but I couldn't help but laugh. Hahaha. Subcool is the herm king.

Couldnt help but notice 15yearsofbullshitting had to bag on TGA as he always does.....15yearsofbullshit is the troll king

15yearsofbreeding said:

Couldn't help but notice someone said TGA....sorry but I couldn't help but laugh. Hahaha. Subcool is the herm king.

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plus a shitty grower he got 3 female blueberry from DJ short and 2 hermed I know a guy who grew a whole pack with no herms and I doubt that dude has more grow expierience then subcool. although I swear he made his blueberry herm cause if you read that thread it sounds more like a tga commercial. lol
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/325961-dj-shorts-blueberry.html
check it out its good for a laugh page 7 is where he starts talking how much better of a breeder he is then dj short. lmao, if it wasn't for dj's book subcool wouldn't have breeding notes. hahahaha

Bluntmassa look who we talking bout. He only connect we ppl who believes his lies and the ones who lie like him. If u go and look at attitude seedbank sales you'll know which breeders are sold out of strains. Not TGA but at the same time look at tgas prices for the amount of seeds and the quality of seed they're selling. Nobody in their right mind gonna buy unstable seeds at that price. Maybe if they do like they did before, when the only way they sold TGA seeds was to sell them at 40% off. Hahaha

15yearsofbreeding said:

Bluntmassa look who we talking bout. He only connect we ppl who believes his lies and the ones who lie like him. If u go and look at attitude seedbank sales you'll know which breeders are sold out of strains. Not TGA but at the same time look at tgas prices for the amount of seeds and the quality of seed they're selling. Nobody in their right mind gonna buy unstable seeds at that price. Maybe if they do like they did before, when the only way they sold TGA seeds was to sell them at 40% off. Hahaha

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ya no way I'm buying his shit everyone of his strains cost the same as serious seeds ak-47 and kali mist. not to mention he says both parents of vortex have a pungent rotten fruit, baby poo smell..... I don't know the last time that guy smelt baby shit I got a 2 year old and I aint smoking any weed that smells like baby shit wether its a new born-2 years I'm set. but I'm all set with them the guys over 50 and acts like a teenager I even showed my wife an episode of the weed nerd lol, she's like why's he just dancing around listening to music this shit is stupid. but for real that show is retarded I watched the first few when they came out till I realized the guys full of shit but he plays it off like hes one of the great breeders eqaul to the best till you realize hes not breeding and you can make them crosses right at home with little work.

15yearsofbreeding said:

Couldn't help but notice someone said TGA....sorry but I couldn't help but laugh. Hahaha. Subcool is the herm king.

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don't listen to this joker he knows not what he says. It is completely not true you must not know how to grow like stressing out the plant in someway. Me and a friend combined have probably grown 60 plants together of vortex and chernobyl and are on the third cuts of cuts with 18 of them in flower at 18 days of 12/12 and not once has there been a hermie!!!!!!


now thats how you sog, 16 fem TGA Chernobyls, 3 cut of cuts.

mdjenks said:

don't listen to this joker he knows not what he says. It is completely not true you must not know how to grow like stressing out the plant in someway. Me and a friend combined have probably grown 60 plants together of vortex and chernobyl and are on the third cuts of cuts with 18 of them in flower at 18 days of 12/12 and not once has there been a hermie!!!!!!


View attachment 2507450 now thats how you sog, 16 fem TGA Chernobyls, 3 cut of cuts.

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The above poster is speaking truth! I have every tga strain there is and out of 5 that i have ran 4 were
hermie monsters! Multi runs with same results! Geting lucky jenks is one thing, but vouching for tga
when half the mj comunity has issues is bunk.

hellraizer30 said:

The above poster is speaking truth! I have every tga strain there is and out of 5 that i have ran 4 were
hermie monsters! Multi runs with same results! Geting lucky jenks is one thing, but vouching for tga
when half the mj comunity has issues is bunk.

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It's not luck its love of what we do and growing upwards to 60 of his strains and no hermies, I don't think that is luck at all just good genetics. Taking every precaution as possible and keeping it simple with out using a shit ton of nutes. On another note I gave my buddy 6 Grape 13 from Hazeman seeds and all germed making it a 100% germ rate.

bluntmassa1 said:

ya no way I'm buying his shit everyone of his strains cost the same as serious seeds ak-47 and kali mist. not to mention he says both parents of vortex have a pungent rotten fruit, baby poo smell..... I don't know the last time that guy smelt baby shit I got a 2 year old and I aint smoking any weed that smells like baby shit wether its a new born-2 years I'm set. but I'm all set with them the guys over 50 and acts like a teenager I even showed my wife an episode of the weed nerd lol, she's like why's he just dancing around listening to music this shit is stupid. but for real that show is retarded I watched the first few when they came out till I realized the guys full of shit but he plays it off like hes one of the great breeders eqaul to the best till you realize hes not breeding and you can make them crosses right at home with little work.

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AK47 is a very stable strain because it is crossed with landrace strains that have been around forever. TGA's shit is vigorous in hydro shit maybe hydro is what it is meant for because that is all I use. AK47 is one my favorite strains up there with green crack and lemon skunk. TGA's strains have multiple strains in his cross so it possible because of that reason you get hermies some times. F1's are the best they have the "hybrid vigor" unlike F2's, 3's etc.

The vortex I grew had no baby poo smell at all to it maybe its just one of the pheno's

15yearsofbreeding said:

Bluntmassa look who we talking bout. He only connect we ppl who believes his lies and the ones who lie like him. If u go and look at attitude seedbank sales you'll know which breeders are sold out of strains. Not TGA but at the same time look at tgas prices for the amount of seeds and the quality of seed they're selling. Nobody in their right mind gonna buy unstable seeds at that price. Maybe if they do like they did before, when the only way they sold TGA seeds was to sell them at 40% off. Hahaha

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Just because somebody sells out a lot doesn't mean they are great maybe they just don't put a shit load of beans like jaws but TGA puts out seeds left and right and has been in the game longer than some of you have been alive. Plus it depends on what seed bank you use! Cannazon only has two of his strains and one is sold out so the would be 50%, like I said depends on what bank, the tude has a huge section of TGA strains and only one is sold out but probably because people bought enough of them that they don't need anymore for quite a while especially if they are cloning from a mother or taking cuts from cuts. Don't base what beans are great just because they are sold out.

Jogro said:

Just to be clear, there is a significant difference between good breeders and houses that sell good ceeds (but don't necessarily breed or stabilize them). Unstable lines can still make great plants, they just may not all look the same, and they may not be suitable for further breeding.

Reputable top "old school" breeders include: Shantibaba (of Mr. Nice ceeds), DJ Short (creator of the famous Blueberry strain), and Sam the Skunkman (for his work on the original Skunk #1, and others). All of these put out (or have put out) inbred stable lines.

Serious seeds has multiple excellent inbred stable lines, including AK47, Bubblegum, etc.

Sannie and the breeders he works with have a lot of good lines in their lineup, though many aren't really stabilized. In fairness to him, he does indicate which are and which aren't, and his reputation as a businessman is absolutely stellar.

As as above, there are any number of other houses that offer great ceeds, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are great breeders or the lines are stable.

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Some breeders go a decade to perfect a stable strain going through strong stud males and great pheno mothers. but you always want an F1 to get that "hybrid Vigor".

bluntmassa1 said:

plus a shitty grower he got 3 female blueberry from DJ short and 2 hermed I know a guy who grew a whole pack with no herms and I doubt that dude has more grow expierience then subcool. although I swear he made his blueberry herm cause if you read that thread it sounds more like a tga commercial. lol
https://www.rollitup.org/subcools-old-school-organics/325961-dj-shorts-blueberry.html
check it out its good for a laugh page 7 is where he starts talking how much better of a breeder he is then dj short. lmao, if it wasn't for dj's book subcool wouldn't have breeding notes. hahahaha

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Man he is no breeder just a wanna be grower with little experience, not to bag on you dude but do some research and get some good equipment and read a book or about growing.

Having to be 100% perfect to eliminate the hermies issues lol if the genetics are that weak! You shouldnt
be using them! To breed with or at least breed out the hermie trait. Not just dump shit on the market for
a ass load of cash! Jenks man you like tga its clear of that, but i have been around long enough to know a
shady cat when i see one. There are tons of out of this world gear that are half the $ to be got,

also i wasnt aware tga had 60 strains lol

hellraizer30 said:

Having to be 100% perfect to eliminate the hermies issues lol if the genetics are that weak! You shouldnt
be using them! To breed with or at least breed out the hermie trait. Not just dump shit on the market for
a ass load of cash! Jenks man you like tga its clear of that, but i have been around long enough to know a
shady cat when i see one. There are tons of out of this world gear that are half the $ to be got,

also i wasnt aware tga had 60 strains lol

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I didn't mean I grew 60 different strains just 60 of vortex and chernobyl. Yeah I like TGA but he isn't my favorite breeder. I would go with Bodhi, GGG, Hazeman, Seedism, Jaws, Maddfarmer, Green Beanz, and Surefire before TGA I was just trying to make a point.

If you do some scientific cannabis research there is no WAY to breed out the hermie trait, its there and there is nothing you can do about it. Ill get my buddy to school you on what I'm talking about.

I like you man I remember you from the seed collectors thread and you were always cool and very informative. My craft has gotton way better in the last year mostly researching, checking forums, reading books, and I have a mentor that has been growing for 13 years and is a genius not just on growing dude has a photo graphic memory and 1 bachelors degree and 3 masters degrees and grows as a hobby out of love for doing it as I do. If you look into the science of hybrids the more crosses of crosses you have you are more prone to have unstable breeds. Landrace breeds are very stable because they have been around for 100's of years and have adapted to all conditions thats why AK47 is such an easy grow and you see lots of breeders using landrace strains in their breeding process for the stableness of them.

Ok my genius friend sent me some info on the subject of cannabis hermeis:

Both of you are right. There's monoecious (XXY) cannabis varieties (e.g., strains of hemp used for paper) & dioecious (XY & XX) cannabis varieties (e.g., strains of hemp used for fiber). That said, the THC-rich strains tend to be Male (XY) or mostly Female (X:A or
X:Autosomal dosage type). You can probably never completely breed out that ability for Females to be able to create Male sex organs, but you can certainly breed down the tendency or threshold at which the tendency is demonstrated. For example, in creating Chernobyl, Subcool said the Trainwreck line -- while great -- always popped Male flowers half-way through flower, so he didn't want to breed with it. But eventually, he came across Bloodwreck (a TW pheno with red stems & veins that didn't pop make flowers until week 10+ & much later than its regular TW siblings).

and then there is this:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis#section_4

I have grown stuff from Green House, Paradise, Dinafem, and Cali Connection - while some plants were good, I wasn't incredibly impressed with any of it. Granted the Cali seeds were freebies, but I can't even say anything about their buds. But I had several seeds - the viability was poor and the ones that came up were deformed and died quickly.

I love Mr Nice Seeds, and have both TGA and Bodhi gear to try in the next few months and I can't wait. Has anyone tried any of Holy Smoke's gear?